When do we finally sign this next CR7/Bebe/Irwin hybrid?
Diogo Dalot | Done Deal | Speaks better English than Valencia
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exactly
I absolutely couldn't agree more with this post. The idea that we can sign a lb, cb, 19 year old rb, cm, and winger and suddenly challenge for the title isn't the reality. We have a lot of young players that need patience to grow, it's not the end of the world if we don't challenge next season since we're so far off the mark, with players that are still establishing themselves.
We'll get there, but probably not this upcoming season.
I am not talking about our CBs needing to cross i was just explaining how good Azpilicueta is!
If we only need a quick fullback then just keep Valencia... Uniteds problem is that we do not have any good crossers. That is why probably Dalot is wanted cause Mourinho wants someone to put the ball in the box and hit players like Lukaku on the head.
That is why United bid on Perisic last summer just because of the lack of a good crosser.
I got your point! but singing Azpi just cos he is a good crosser and play him as a fullback does not help either!
Or some believe that if we fix the other issues we will have a squad which can compete even with Valencia at RB which gives Dalot time to bed in,
I think Woodward misunderstood when he asked Mourinho "who do you want? Bale, Alderweireld, Sandro, Fred?" and he replied "sign da lot"
I'm a theif....
I'm a theif....
I know, this makes sense. But for some reason, every time Valencia struts down the touchline with a ball in his feet, a part of me just gives up on that attack. I really want to see someone else playing RB next season.
Then surely your ire should be directed at Mourinho? I said it yesterday but it's Mourinho who chooses to play Valencia every week. It's Mourinho who made him captain. And it's Mourinho who seemingly intends to go into the new season with Valencia being supported by a 19 year old.
Basically, Mourinho thinks Valencia is good enough to be playing for a team challenging for honours. And in his defence (a rarity for me), I think most managers would agree with him.
More like people want us to spend 50m on distinctly average right backs. I mean the options out there - Sidibe, Cancelo - these guys are not good enough at all for us yet people just see well known names and big money and equate it to being the perfect signing.
We’ve literally been through this so many times, we signed Darmian and thought he’d solve our right back issues, we thought Schneiderlin would be our dm solution, Mikhi right wing etc etc
People need to stop hyping players they have no clue about and maybe trust a manager and scouting department that has been 90% on point for the last few years?
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But this happens because he's playing real life and not FM (unlike Pep).
If Mourinho was a bot in FM he would probably in a single window throw several players away and get world class ones.
But in real life he knows (just like other managers) that he can't do everything he wants because there are limitations.
Money is one limitation, and the sheer quality in the pitch isn't the only thing to be considered, other stuff like the effect on the locker room.
Maybe Valencia is only a meh player but his impact on the youngsters can make them better than their "personal stats" suggest in theory?
Right now, IMO, you need a RB, a LB, another CM and a sub striker/winger at least.
Either you try some cheper/younger players or you simply won't be able to buy these many world class players in one window.
On Dalot, as a Porto fan I only saw him play 3 or 4 times.
He looks good but I simply didn't saw him play that much to say what he's worth, he didn't play much in the main team yet.
Apparently he has been excellent in the youngster teams both in Porto and Portugal, there's what is hype is coming from.
In normal circunstances we wouldn't be selling him right now, we sold our main RB (Ricardo) to Leicester some weeks ago and now we're selling the future RB, so we are left with the almost retired Maxi Pereira.
It's just the finantial fair play and our need to sell players, we just couldn't refuse 20 M€ for a sub, just like we did last year with Ruben Neves.
Unfortunately for our short term goals we need to get rid of long term assets.
I know that but I mean that he used to try to aim at his striker inside the box, Rooney managed to score many headers thanks to his crosses. Somewhere down the line, he went from a man who tried to pick up players inside the box to one who just hammers balls inside the box that are difficult to score from.
Occasionally we seem take an extra split second to try to pick out someone and his crosses are much much better, he takes that extra split second when he (rarely) crosses with his left foot too
so when do we start the flight tracking?
I had resolved to reserve all judgment and forum posting till later in the summer.Cautiously optimistic, especially with McKenna on board. Think (hope) we'll see greater development of our young players in the coming seasons, in which case Jose could finally put his anti-youth reputation to rest.
Go Diogo Go.
I never have an issue with signing young players, specially if they're promising (duh) but I cannot shake the feeling this means in some way, Mourinho has been satisfied with Valencia's season and is ready to keep him as his starting RB for next season. In order to make big changes, we need to start phasing some serious players (serious as in who play a lot despite their 'past-it' state)
Remember that Ivanovic played until his legs came off.
Valencia had a great first half to the start, it was the second half where he seemed to completely burn out. After a full summer's rest this season we'll probably see him at a good level again for the start of the season and by the time we get to January, Dalot may have been phased into the starting 11 in time for Valencia's mid season burnout.
Clicked on this thread because the name amused me, then scrolled slightly down and saw this:
Yeah that's enough of a pun to let me know this kid is the real deal
Yeah that's enough of a pun to let me know this kid is the real deal
Second reply too. Everyone else in here is just a pretender yo.Clicked on this thread because the name amused me, then scrolled slightly down and saw this:
Yeah that's enough of a pun to let me know this kid is the real deal
Sometimes you have to suck it up and accept it when it comes to young players though. If the club think this kid is potentially good enough to justify another season or two with Valencia then I'm all for it. I'm a bit fed up of us trying quick fixes and them failing anyway. Nobody wants another fecking Darmian.
Rafael made 28 appearances in his first season at the age of 18/19.
Hopefully Dalot can make a similar impression.
Hopefully Dalot can make a similar impression.
What's his square passing like and can he break shins with crosses?
Couldn't agree more. I think Mourinho will trust Valencia more in the huge games where we are likely to sit back, whereas Dalot seems more attack minded for the games where we eed more versatility in attack. It looks a very good deal for the price when you consider how highly rated the kid is and the lack of quality full backs out there at the minute.
That is what worries me. Ivanovic became a parody and a liability towards the end.
If that is the plan then Dalot must be a special kinda talent because it would still be too early IMHO for him to be ready to pick up the mantle.
Why you gotta go with the worst possible example in Darmian ? Anyway, my issue isn't with signing a promising youngster, it's keeping the underperforming older ones. There comes a time when we need to cut our loses and Valencia has been at the club for way too long as a starter.
Not burned out Valencia has had one going issues with a knee injury. Hopefully rest over the summer will help him. No idea when he became the anti Christ, he's a good solid pro and signing a youngster to understudy him, looks a good move by Jose.
I see so many people saying it will be good for him as an understudy to Valencia. I am still trying to figure out what is there to study from Valencia?
Edit: Many people seem to have been hurt really bad at my above statement. I should have framed it better
I am a big fan of Valencia as a professional and the way he stepped up from Wigan to United. But, I don't think he is a good FB that Dalot can learn a lot from. Valencia was a kickass winger with high productivity but never impressive as top class RB
Edit: Many people seem to have been hurt really bad at my above statement. I should have framed it better
I am a big fan of Valencia as a professional and the way he stepped up from Wigan to United. But, I don't think he is a good FB that Dalot can learn a lot from. Valencia was a kickass winger with high productivity but never impressive as top class RB
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Been at united for 9 years, what's there to study you're right.
Yep and nobody owns up to it
I think we're more likely to play Young over Valencia at RB.
Deal almost done... Then it's next week... Next week we'll be preparing a bid
We're probably not going to be able to sign two new first choice fullbacks and a new first choice centre back in the same window.
Signing a young fullback who can play on both sides and who can challenge for the first team would be a good move. I'm all for this (as long as we sign a top quality left back).
Signing a young fullback who can play on both sides and who can challenge for the first team would be a good move. I'm all for this (as long as we sign a top quality left back).
As much as we all like the take a dump on Valencia, he's a very good RB. He's always somehow present to receive the ball out wide when we're attacking and he's always there back defending when we are outnumbered. That is the most underrated quality in football. You only realize how good he is when you get someone like Darmian playing there.
Then after that it'll be done in "48 hours".
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