They had Sane providing the width on the left as opposed to our forwards who like to drift in
Diogo Dalot | Done Deal | Speaks better English than Valencia
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If you read up you will see this is exactly my point about RB, Valencia and our right flank in terms of the attack.
Reckon he'll take over sooner than that. Tony's probably got a year of ok-to-poor perfomances left. Young might even take over RB next season.
I didn't ignore Delph. If you read posts you replied to properly you'd find I said that City were so far ahead of the pack they got away with Delph there all season. Unfortunately, however, we're not that far ahead of the pack – and won't be even if we sign two players to compensate for Valencia not being good enough – and unfortunately Mendy isn't going to spend all season out injured again this season so City are already going to be stronger there next season.
And if you look at how much Walker gave them I find it baffling that people think a proper set of attacking fullbacks wouldn't drastically improve our side.
I'd rather take the risk of a squad that's good enough to win the league not gelling than go into the season trying to delude myself that a side that blatantly isn't have a chance though.
Honestly, I wouldn't be pissed off with the apparent acceptance of mediocrity at fullback if many posters that are accepting Valencia as first choice next season weren't the same ones who have been whinging about how far off City we have been this season, and how shit our football has been at times.
Can't believe I just saw someone say this is a bad signing because there's not enough YouTube footage.
Oh wait, yes I can.
Oh wait, yes I can.
Is he going to go the Bale route then? Start out at fb then explode into a winger?
I'm not convinced he'll become a RB long-term tbf. If he stays, we'll probably see him at CDM more often.
Things change from season to season though. There is no guarantee that City will repeat their performances this season. Just look at the previous PL winners . I still think we need stability within the team and doing wholesale changes will be more detrimental. Jose himself said so when he said he will need at least 3 years to get us challenging again, and I agree with him given the state of our squad when he took over. So far he has been getting the pieces in place, so I am really interested to see what other pieces he will get this summer to get us challenging next season .
That unibrow looks menacing.
Sorry if covered already somewhere in 21pages, is there any chance he’ll just become our left back? Lots of the clips I’ve seen have him there.
I remember a clear difference between Walker with Sterling ahead and Walker with Gundogan or Bernado Silva ahead.
Nobody disagrees that a set of attacking fullbacks would improve the side its why most seem to agree Alex Sandro would be a great addition. It is also why Dalot is an interesting signing since he is an attacking fullback. It seems you are just arguing a point by yourself.
Doubt it. He just filled in there for the 1st team.
Thanks, never keen on opposite foot/side defenders
What we have currently on our wingbacks isn't working. Especially sorting out the left back is a must.
The reason people want a new CB has to do with top-quality, I haven't seen many/any state that a CB is a must.
Also, City signed 4 high quality players for their back 5 in Mendy, Laporte, Walker and Ederson. For context I can of course mention that Laporte isn't their main choice & Mendy has been injured, but Delph wasn't really a established left back.
CB is a must
I think with Valencia it’s more about his total lack of ability to deliver a decent cross. Our RWs invariably cut inside, whether it’s Mata, Sanchez or Martial, which makes it important for us to have that width and attacking threat from the fullback.
Or just purchase a RW
Absolutely delighted if we sign this guy!! Love when the club sign relatively unknown talents out of nowhere.
Ando. Rafael. Nani. Smalling. Jones. All of them came to us relatively young and without much experience playing for a top club. (Ando spent one year with Porto if I remember correctly) Even if Roo and Ron wasn’t unknown and regarded as super talents I got the same feelings of excitement when I see and read about this young fella. He seems to have all the attributes to be a top player. Keep my fingers crossed.
It’s such a joy to see young boys develop into men both on and of the pitch, when playing for United it’s just in front of us.
Ando. Rafael. Nani. Smalling. Jones. All of them came to us relatively young and without much experience playing for a top club. (Ando spent one year with Porto if I remember correctly) Even if Roo and Ron wasn’t unknown and regarded as super talents I got the same feelings of excitement when I see and read about this young fella. He seems to have all the attributes to be a top player. Keep my fingers crossed.
It’s such a joy to see young boys develop into men both on and of the pitch, when playing for United it’s just in front of us.
Azpilicueta has a great cross. Showed it many times this season. It seems like Dalot also has a great cross as one of his strongest skills. 2 Goals and 6 assists this season in the Premier League not attacking enough for you?
+Azpilicueta havent played as a RB when he scored or assisted but played as a CB wich makes the stats even better.
Fine. I've seen one guy/gal state it.
Fine. I've seen one guy/gal state it.
Was just thinking that, actually.
It's true what he says, of course. But it's just a simple representation of the diversity/size of our fanbase/Caf users.
Fair point.
Jose will probably play him as a forward
That's a very fair point. But I think Tony can do better on the ball in terms of making up his mind more quickly if he wants to beat his man or pass to a free team mate.
I do think it'd help us massively and have it listed as a "area for recruitment" in another post somewhere.
I just see it as less important than left-back & midfield (backup for Matic, alternative creator to Pogba) + one of rb/rw. A right-back either to replace Darmian as the backup or to take over for Valencia as the main man depending on budget and if we let neither go we desperately need a right-winger so Valencia doesn't have to do the job for 2 professional footballers at the same time.
Once that's done I very much want to see better CB first choices. Mind you we can't always pick our priorities when it comes to quality players.
Alderweireld is on the market by what it looks like and he would be a good upgrade on the lot we have, so signing him is a no-brainer if a deal can be made.
I'm partly in agreement with you on Valencia . He definitely suffered because of what was lacking ahead of him. My issue is that he has not been the same in an attacking sense since his injury. That's the unfortunate thing. In any case id have put LB top of the list if Jose got only one fullback so this kid as an understudy is a nice bonus.
Chelsea play with 3 at the back different situation. Also we dont need our CB's to cross we need quick fullbacks.
I don't think the equation is as simple as Valencia needs replacing immediately so buying a 19 year old isn't good enough.
What if after looking at the available options at RB, the quoted fees from those clubs from the players and examining the transfer budget for this summer Mourinho and the board felt it didn't make sense to splash major cash at the position. Then considering the overall situation they decided to pay a fee which is becoming extremely cheap for starlets to lock down a talent many major clubs were interested in by reports and has been rated extremely highly.
Doing so now gives them an option at RB to rotate with Valencia, something that is necessary if we're sticking with him for now and also allows them more funds to address positions of greater weakness, imo, at LB and RW. Valencia isn't really very good anymore, particularly going forward or in possession, but I think the deficiencies of the players we have in those positions causes a serious imbalance in our play which is far more problematic than the individual quality, or lack thereof, at other positions.
I also suspect CB is a position Mourinho feels is of higher priority than RB.
What if after looking at the available options at RB, the quoted fees from those clubs from the players and examining the transfer budget for this summer Mourinho and the board felt it didn't make sense to splash major cash at the position. Then considering the overall situation they decided to pay a fee which is becoming extremely cheap for starlets to lock down a talent many major clubs were interested in by reports and has been rated extremely highly.
Doing so now gives them an option at RB to rotate with Valencia, something that is necessary if we're sticking with him for now and also allows them more funds to address positions of greater weakness, imo, at LB and RW. Valencia isn't really very good anymore, particularly going forward or in possession, but I think the deficiencies of the players we have in those positions causes a serious imbalance in our play which is far more problematic than the individual quality, or lack thereof, at other positions.
I also suspect CB is a position Mourinho feels is of higher priority than RB.
On this one, if done, we just have to trust the scouts. He hasnt played enough to judge him, but excited for new youngsters, obvioulsy he would not come here as a solution but as a prospect.
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I knew it must have been that since I started to recognise remember your name and that you were usually pretty level headed otherwise you would have been in the second category!Valencia is nowhere near that bad this season, he was very solid in defense and did contribute going forward. We could easily have another year of him starting RB, with Dalot rotating/backup.
I'm a little disappointed we didn't go for someone like Djibril Sidibe, 25 lots of experience, good dribbler, passing and strong in defense.
I feel like we're missing a lot of peak players in their mid 20's, we either sign players who are young and need a lot of game time to develop or older experienced players.
I'm a little disappointed we didn't go for someone like Djibril Sidibe, 25 lots of experience, good dribbler, passing and strong in defense.
I feel like we're missing a lot of peak players in their mid 20's, we either sign players who are young and need a lot of game time to develop or older experienced players.
And, again, you'll see I've already mentioned this.
Regardless of how good Dalot may or may not become the simple facts are that he's a 19 year old kid who has very little senior experience, and what he does have has come in a vastly weaker league. He might go on to become a great player, but it's still ridiculously unfair on the kid to expect him to be good enough already to come in and perform at the level fans are demanding next season. Lumping expectation onto young players because of a failure to create an environment where they can be integrated into the team is precisely why attitudes towards youth become so toxic so fast. If we sign him, and I have no objections to signing him, there can't be any realistic expectations on him to be an immediate solution in the first team.
I simply can't square the circle that some people seem to think we should be challenging next season, but also happy with not addressing one of most glaring weaknesses in the squad. It stinks of some sort of entitlement that we should be competing because we're Manchester United rather than because we have a squad that's actually good enough to challenge.
And if we are attempting to build that squad by phasing out older players gradually and blooding younger players who need time to develop then that requires a patience which I've seen little evidence that our fanbase possesses.
What a post
This is a transfer we had to do fast, he was being pressured to sign a new contract after he verbally agreed he would allowing Porto to sell their first choice RB to Leicester. I assume other big teams were sniffing around him too, I heard reports Bayern were after him last week.
Jose has implemented a much bigger scouting network than we previously had, I assume his contacts in Portugal told him about the big clubs sniffing and United made a quick move.
I believe we will sign a LB, most likely Sandro, keep Shaw as backup then Young will share the RB slot with Valencia next season. Not sure if the plan with Dalot will be to stay with us or loaned back out.
Jose has implemented a much bigger scouting network than we previously had, I assume his contacts in Portugal told him about the big clubs sniffing and United made a quick move.
I believe we will sign a LB, most likely Sandro, keep Shaw as backup then Young will share the RB slot with Valencia next season. Not sure if the plan with Dalot will be to stay with us or loaned back out.
This is caf. He ll get 3 months before he is declared a waste of space and not good enough compared to the shiny new toys other teams have
What world class established right backs are available?
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