Morning hun, yeah nothing solid.
Dimitar Berbatov | 2009/10 Performances
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Morning hun, yeah nothing solid.
There's no chance of him leaving in the summer imo. He's improved this season, despite injury problems and in the summer he can finally get that operation done so he'll be fit and ready to go at the start of next season.
source Sunshine?
Here we go. The start of another productive discussion in the Dimitar thread.
Now waiting for the opposition to wake up and languidly click on the thread....
I read it in 2 Bulgarian newspapers and some local footy sites, so it won't be much help. Haven't seen it anywhere else. Not sure where Gambs read it.
I expect Iceland once the volcano thing simmers down a bit and the next Strongest Man in the World competition is done.
His agent can feck off and go and find him a new club while he's at it
[Sits and waits for Berbalovers to bite]
hehehe
I couldn't help it.
"OMG he's so lazy"
"No, he puts in just as much effort as any normal United player. Any sane person would have noticed the improvements in his work rate this season."
"But he doesnt start in big games, SAF hates him and thinks he's shit wtf"
"It certainly hasn't anything to do with our 4-5-1 formation which has proved succesful on several occasions this season".
"but OMG I hate him wish he fecked off so we could sign Villa, Silva, Rodwell, Benzema, Sanchez.
on and on...
The Sun.
I couldn't help it.
"OMG he's so lazy"
"No, he puts in just as much effort as any normal United player. Any sane person would have noticed the improvements in his work rate this season."
"But he doesnt start in big games, SAF hates him and thinks he's shit wtf"
"It certainly hasn't anything to do with our 4-5-1 formation which has proved succesful on several occasions this season".
"but OMG I hate him wish he fecked off so we could sign Villa, Silva, Rodwell, Benzema, Sanchez.
on and on...
No reference to Tevez?
thanks luv
Redcafe incorporated?
btw i alwyas think there is something going on when an agent denies some moves.
This particular agent is shitting bricks since Berba is his single biggest client. As far as I know, he only has a few minnows outside of Dimitar.
If anything he'd get more money from moving Berba on A-Grade.
Not always a given, mate. Depends on what the contract between the two of them states. Managers don't only make money when the player moves on to another club.
True, but agents customarily get negotiating fees when hashing out signing on bonus' and I doubt Berb would take a significant wage cut if he left. Anyway I for one hope his agent is right and Fergie still has faith.
Amen.
The thread that just won't die...
Let me throw a little bit of common sense into the equation here.
The fact that Berbatov is "languid" isnt what many people are against.
Cantona was most probably the most languid player in Uniteds team for many years, and its well documented that his team mates were sometimes furious about his apparant lack of effort. However, his weaknesses were more than matched by the moments of shear brilliance that he would pull out of a hat from absolutely no where.
I could accept Berbatovs style if, like Cantona, we saw those moments of brilliance that offset his frailties. Sadly we just dont see those sparks of genius.
No one is asking him to be like Rooney, running up and down the pitch, getting stuck in. Thats not his style, and never will be. Hes just not that sort of players. But United paid the money because we believed there was those moments of magic in him that would work in harmony with Rooney, in much the same way Cantona would work in harmony with Mark Hughes. One running all over, the other pulling off moments of genius, and between them creating a strike force that would scare the wits out of opponents.
Fergie for many years has liked to have strikers of different styles. Yorke was very different to Cole, one being more languid, the other being more physical. Cantona and hughes was the same. Even Ruud and Forlan, Ruud and Smith, Ruud and Rooney could all be described in this way.
So those that expected Berbatov to be a highly mobile player were wrong, thats not what he was brought in for. He was brought in, like Cantona, to offer those moments of magic that can suddenly change games and have opponents wondering "what is he going to do next"
For the ball part of his time at United, he hasnt provided those moments. If anything he is so predictable that everyone knows exactly what he's going to do next and thats why hes so ineffective..
The fact that Berbatov is "languid" isnt what many people are against.
Cantona was most probably the most languid player in Uniteds team for many years, and its well documented that his team mates were sometimes furious about his apparant lack of effort. However, his weaknesses were more than matched by the moments of shear brilliance that he would pull out of a hat from absolutely no where.
I could accept Berbatovs style if, like Cantona, we saw those moments of brilliance that offset his frailties. Sadly we just dont see those sparks of genius.
No one is asking him to be like Rooney, running up and down the pitch, getting stuck in. Thats not his style, and never will be. Hes just not that sort of players. But United paid the money because we believed there was those moments of magic in him that would work in harmony with Rooney, in much the same way Cantona would work in harmony with Mark Hughes. One running all over, the other pulling off moments of genius, and between them creating a strike force that would scare the wits out of opponents.
Fergie for many years has liked to have strikers of different styles. Yorke was very different to Cole, one being more languid, the other being more physical. Cantona and hughes was the same. Even Ruud and Forlan, Ruud and Smith, Ruud and Rooney could all be described in this way.
So those that expected Berbatov to be a highly mobile player were wrong, thats not what he was brought in for. He was brought in, like Cantona, to offer those moments of magic that can suddenly change games and have opponents wondering "what is he going to do next"
For the ball part of his time at United, he hasnt provided those moments. If anything he is so predictable that everyone knows exactly what he's going to do next and thats why hes so ineffective..
None of us. I thought he was rather objective. We miss Carlos because he is more like Rooney than Berbatov is. No question.which one of yous wrote it
We've suffered with Berba because while not being like Rooney, he has failed to be as good as he can be with his style. As Fred pointed out.
Great post Fred.
Unfounded?
Yep, agreed. I was just saying after Blackburn that I've never bought into the whole "too lazy" thing, but these last few matches were exactly when he absolutley had to find the back of the net, stand up and becoma match winner. He didn't and I'm finally beginning to lose faith in his United career.
Style or no style, no one is beyond putting it in when things are not going well
I agree with the majority of Fred's post. It reminds me of Ronaldo, in the sense that he pissed even his own fans off with his antics, strops and gamesmanship. But certainly during those couple of years where he was absolutely sensational, for the most part fans didn't give a crap, because he was producing the goods. Performing to a high standard does buy you leeway, no doubt about that
Of course it doesn't help that we see him pictured chain smoking the fags, and then on match day that there's a ball he could get to if he showed real desire, but he ambles there and the opponent takes it instead...
Same here mate. After the Blackburn game I really started to fear for him. He needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat to save himself now IMO.
Taken from that article
Strange that they didn't have an extra column for Tevez's stats from last year. I can tell you two of those stats though -5 goals - 3 assists in a similar amount of games that Betbatov has had this year.
This sums it up pretty well, we could have used him this month, in his City form especially. But £25m (plus massive wages) for an unhappy understudy, who didn't have a great season was too much. The last sentence is a bit silly though, was the Tevez of last year worth as much as Berbatov this year, personally i don't think so.
Fred, I don't agree with everything you say, I'd say we're probably on different sides of what contribution we think Berbatov brings to the team but that's a very good post and I agree with a lot of it. We should expect more from Berbatov and he should be creating more moments of genius like he is capable of.
edit: seems the formatting of that table hasn't copied well, don't know how to fix it.
As the 2,795th contribution to this thread -- I like to say that the phrase, there are many ways to skin a cat has been out done by this Berba thread.
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"The problem is all inside your head", boss said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I wouldn't have signed him even on a free
There must be 2900 ways to discuss our berba
I said it's really not my my fault he isn't Ruud
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There must be 2900 ways to discuss your Berba
2900 ways to discuss our Berba
He never runs back, slack
need some new stats, man
In front of goal he's a coy, toy
Much worse than Rooney
****ping for us, wuss
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop the Dimi, please
And sell him for free
"The problem is all inside your head", boss said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
I wouldn't have signed him even on a free
There must be 2900 ways to discuss our berba
I said it's really not my my fault he isn't Ruud
Furthermore, I hope my meaning won't be lost or misconstrued
But I'll repeat myself, at the risk of being crude
There must be 2900 ways to discuss your Berba
2900 ways to discuss our Berba
He never runs back, slack
need some new stats, man
In front of goal he's a coy, toy
Much worse than Rooney
****ping for us, wuss
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop the Dimi, please
And sell him for free
Bottom line is this. Sell Berbatov this summer and make some money, or let him see out his contract. He's going to be 30 and after that the only team that might want him is AC Milan since they have their "Milan Lab".
Considering Tevez scored vital goals that helped us win the title I would say yes (take Tevez vs. Wigan and Berba vs. Blackburn as your example).
Berba still has 4 games to go though so he could prove that he is worth more than the Tevez of last year.
Just relaying what the papers are saying.
So what do you lads think about Dimitar?
Bit slow.
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