I will not be surprised if he starts tomorrow.
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I will not be surprised if he starts tomorrow.
....so why isn't he playing in the important games????
It's a dead simple answer guys, come on, just fecking admit it!
He's not good enough to play for Man United when it matters. He's good against Hull, Bolton, Stoke etc, he should be used as a squad player for them games, but against Milan, Chelsea etc, Ferguson doesn't have faith in his ability to play him, dead simple.
For Manchester United, for any football club, every game matters.
Maybe you're one of those that only cares about the "big" games...
I said "becoming an important player". He's been gaining momentum with his recent performances. Took him awhile I'll admit, but he's on his way up finally.
I affectionately refer to him as berba something.
It is a bit more than just that... Nowadays and in games like this, you need to play CM's, otherwise, you get run over in midfield. With two wide men, that leaves you with only one forward, which obviously is Rooney
Johnno knows all that, he jus won't admit it, in his pathetic crusade to blow smoke up the arse of one of City's players whilst constantly looking for reasons to take a pop at one of our own.
If there's one thing that does my nut about the modern fan more than anything else it's weirdos who let their man-love for individual players become more important than their allegiance to the club they support.
I would have thought Johnno was cut from different cloth but I obviously thought wrong...
If there's one thing that does my nut about the modern fan more than anything else it's weirdos who let their man-love for individual players become more important than their allegiance to the club they support.
I would have thought Johnno was cut from different cloth but I obviously thought wrong...
Bollocks. Fergie has a system for the big sides that works. The last couple of years it's seen him sacrifice rooney by playing him wide. Berbs can't do that so makes way. It's not about his ability and all about tactics.
If I'm being honest- imo Berbatov plays nothing like he used to, further on the pitch and faster. with the benefit of the team and himself.
Bayern play 2 in midfield, so there's no need for us to play 3. Neither of those two , Van Bommel and Swein... well you know the guy, are all that good at defending. Although he's missing the first leg. We may still play 3 in midfield away from home, but if we do it at home as well against a 2 then we didnt need to.
What more can he do other than do the business when called upon? He has been very fecking good this season. But you're another one of these spastics with an agenda.
How do you reconcile Berbatov AND Rooney with a 4-3-3? It's got nothing to do with lack of faith.
I can't believe you just write off goals because they are not against the elite teams. Every game ultimately counts for three points. Seeing as there are more average sides around, I could make a case for it being more important to be a flat-track bully than a big game player.
12 in 27 league appearances. I don't know how many of those are as substitute, but it's close to 10.
How can anyone not be pleased with that?
When you factor in his creation for others as well, then I think it's fair to say that he's had a very good season.
How can anyone not be pleased with that?
When you factor in his creation for others as well, then I think it's fair to say that he's had a very good season.
I liked both finishes.The first one was like he ran towards like he was gonna smash the net but he nicely place the ball on the side and the second is as relax as it gets
12 in 19 starts, 4 assists. He's coming along very nicely for the run-in. If Muamba hadn't kicked his boot off, definite hat-trick too.
It amazes me that some people don't understand that it is all about tactics and SAF's practicality. The 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 system is working well because of Rooney being on fire, our two wingers playing well and our CMs doing their job. This gives us results and it will not be changed until it does.
This leaves Berba in a position where he will start only a certain number of games where we switch to 4-4-2 or Rooney is not starting as in the match vs. Bolton. The only thing we can ask from him is to perform well in these matches and he has done this. He has not pulled a a fecking primadonna on us and is not complaining about his role.
Know why? Cause he is a team player first and foremost and proud to be playing for United.
This leaves Berba in a position where he will start only a certain number of games where we switch to 4-4-2 or Rooney is not starting as in the match vs. Bolton. The only thing we can ask from him is to perform well in these matches and he has done this. He has not pulled a a fecking primadonna on us and is not complaining about his role.
Know why? Cause he is a team player first and foremost and proud to be playing for United.
Over recent weeks he's done very well. He's slow but you don't have to be quick. Teddy weren't. Berbatovs a clever player and hopefully he can keep up this work rate because he's a better player for it.
If he keeps getting in the box, he will score goals. It was great to see him scoring twice against Bolton, first time in the prem for United
If he keeps getting in the box, he will score goals. It was great to see him scoring twice against Bolton, first time in the prem for United
As long as he sticks near the box he will score.
He only looks that way because of his playing style. He is capable of some terrific bursts of pace as against Fulham the other week and because no one, least of all the defenders, expect it, it is all the more effective.
i think Berba has a twin bro. one of them is a frustrating "strker" who seats deep and does feck all to score the other one is the current Berba. Im not a fan of him but if he keep the current form he will win me over pronto. Im pleased to say that i'm that close to become a convert.
mind you- i still think he wasn't that good in the first season nor in the first part of this one.
mind you- i still think he wasn't that good in the first season nor in the first part of this one.
which is the point many poster were making last year. Playing around the half line is not what strikers should be doing. recently he started playin further on the pitch and that pays off dividents for all involved parties.
To be fair Johnno, he doesn't play them because he is not better than Rooney. We have to play 4-5-1, simple as. Every other team will do it against us.
If Berbatov was performing absolutely brilliantly, then he would be accommodated, rightly or wrongly, by shifting Rooney. But I don't think that is ever ever going to happen.
It's not more effective than raw speed. Sure, he can have quick bursts, but they are few and far between. He is slower than most other players, that's just the way it is. Everyone can't be blessed with pace.
He's not as slow as some people think but you wouldn't say he's fast. He might have the ability to run a fair bit quicker then a tortoise every now and then but he's not full on like a saha
As long as he gets the final touch and the ball goes in the net, he scores......
Rooney will never be shifted for Berbatov. No matter how good Berbatov is playing. People need to accept that simple fact.
Chief, Rooney has been shifted before, over and over again. Are you denying that?
Christ, this has been done to death, hasn't it?
Rooney was shifted in the past to accomodate the best player in the world.
Rooney is a much better player now than he was when he played wide to let Ronaldo play up top. Shifting him wide would be a much bigger blow to the team now than it was last season and Berbatov is not as good a player as Cristiano Ronaldo (who is?) so he's not good enough for Fergie to want to move Rooney to accomodate him.
That shouldn't be used as a criticism of Berbatov (although by some on here it will) because it's not about him not being good enough it's about Rooney and Ronaldo being amongst a handful of the very best footballers on the planet.
Tevez is not the best player in the world Pogue. Rooney was shifted to accommodate him on numerous occasions.
He really wasn't.
I can think of a handful of specific games where Rooney played wide left, at a time when he was playing his best football in that position, but he was never shifted around to accomodate Tevez.
Besides, what happened last season has got feck all to do with the 30+ goal-machine central striker that Rooney has become in 09/10.
He was, actually. Tevez often played up front with Rooney on the left and Ronaldo on the right. Sure, they interchanged during the match, but often than not it was Rooney out wide and not Tevez. So, he really was.
Edited my post.
Rooney did play a number of roles in our front three but this wasn't to accomodate Tevez. Our whole team was based around getting the best out of Ronaldo throughout the last two seasons.
If Rooney was played on the left, of course it was to accommodate Tevez. Rooney is the better player, and playing him on the left took a spot for Nani or Giggs or whoever. We played a striker, a world class striker, out of position. That could be to accommodate another striker, otherwise it would make no sense. Why not just play Rooney in the middle and play a winger on the wing? The reason was that Tevez was playing so well that he could not afford to be dropped. That is what Berbatov has to do, play well enough that he won't be dropped. Has Rooney been moved before? Yes. Would he have been moved if Tevez was not playing well? No way.
Yea, this season is different. Rooney has been playing so well that it is harder to move him. Berbatov would have to be easily surpassing what Tevez was bringing to the team a couple of years ago for him to be played.
I never denied that.
What I specifically said was that if Berbatov was playing well enough then Rooney could quite possibly be shifted. Now, I'm not saying if Berbatov was just playing well he would be in. He would have to be playing out of this world. I still stand by my opinion.
I don't think it was simply to get the best out of Ronaldo. Rooney could still have played up front with another winger (Nani maybe) letting Ronaldo have whatever role he wanted anyway.
Answered the rest of your post in the previous comment.
Because Giggs was playing in the center, Nani was playing shite and Park was constantly injured.
We had major problems on our left wing throughout last season and sticking Rooney out there was obviously seen as the best option.
What it was never intended to do was to try and find a way to fit Tevez and Rooney in the team.
Anyway, this is a really pointless argument as you've just admitted that it's completely unrealistic to expect anyone to play well enough to displace Rooney from his current status as our lone striker of choice. So why use this as a reason to criticise Berbatov?
Why not persist with Nani though? It still doesn't explain why Rooney was moved. Tevez was playing too well. There was nothing stopping SAF playing Tevez more on the wing than Rooney.
Anyway, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one. Time for me to go training anyway...
Okey dokey. All the editing has made the last few posts really confusing anyway!
Have fun training. Are you sure it;s not snowing?
Have fun training. Are you sure it;s not snowing?
I'm obviously not saying that he's greased lightning. What is important to Berba's game is his reading of the game and awareness. Sure, he's not gonna spend 90 minutes busting a gut, but when the opportunity presents itself, he's certainly capable of using acceleration as well as strength to get away from defenders and fashion chances from tight spaces. His pace is relative to the rest of his game - I wasn't suggesting that it is better to be slow than fast, what throws defenders off is that his change of pace is unexpected - as are many other facets of his game.
We needed someone to link the play since Ronaldo was playing as a striker from the wing, focusing more on scoring than creating, and Scholes, Nani and Tevez weren't in form.
Now we have Valencia instead of Ronaldo, Scholes and Nani are in form and our midfield's pushed further forward.
It's not as simple as 'if we played him further forward last season we would've been better'.
So anyway, he did what I wanted him to do the last time he played alone up front and this time he got himself 2 goals. I was happy with him before he scored either of them as he was making sure to get on the end of things in the box. Still, begs the question - if it was alright not doing that last time out, how come he did it this time? I guess all that really matters is he did do it, he did it well, he scored twice and proved he can fill in for Rooney against teams like Bolton.
No it begs the question if scoring two goals proves he was playing in different areas of the pitch to the last time he played as a loan striker?
Which it doesn't, obviously.
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