Did we sell anyone? Big summer fire sale (supposedly)

Is someone paying attention how City is selling their U21 players for crazy amounts? I find it hard to understand how on earth they manage to sell all these players for such heavy amounts, and how other clubs are ready to pay for it. Their youth management appartment must be pretty good.

- James Trafford to Burnley for 19 Mio. £ (approx. two weeks ago, 0 appearances for first team)
- Shea Charles to Southampton for 10.5 Mio. £ (approx. one month ago - 1 appearance for 27 min in City's last game where they were already Champion)
- Carlos Borges to Ajax for 17.3 Mio. £ (yesterday - 0 appearances for first team)

It is just insane what profit they make with their U21 players who not even play or ever played a role in the first team, but still manage to sell them for these ridiculous amounts and get a total of 46.8 Mio. £!

They must be doing something very well because in our case we would sell these playes for peanuts.
 
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Has there been any word about a fee from Sunderland for Bishop, or was he released?
 
Is someone paying attention how City is selling their U21 players for crazy amounts? I find it hard to understand how on earth they manage to sell all these players for such heavy amounts, and how other clubs are ready to pay for it. Their youth management appartment must be pretty good.

- James Trafford to Burnley for 19 Mio. £ (approx. two weeks ago, 0 appearances for first team)
- Shea Charles to Southampton for 10.5 Mio. £ (approx. one month ago - 1 appearance for 27 min in City's last game where they were already Champion)
- Carlos Borges to Ajax for 17.3 Mio. £ (yesterday - 0 appearances for first team)

It is just insane what profit they make with their U21 players who not even play or ever played a role in the first team, but still manage to sell them for these ridiculous amounts and get a total of 46.8 Mio. £!

They must be doing something very well because in our case we would sell these playes for peanuts.
They’ve got a great academy set up producing these players. Ours is producing mainly players that struggle to excel in League 2 and the National League (McNeill and Hugill last season for example)
 
Have we had concrete movement on any of McFred, Donny or Maguire yet. Understandably Amrabat must be getting fed up with waiting for us to sell someone
 
They’ve got a great academy set up producing these players. Ours is producing mainly players that struggle to excel in League 2 and the National League (McNeill and Hugill last season for example)

Indeed, they have a great academy but am wondering how they still make a huge profit out of these players who haven’t even been played for the first team or been into consideration.

We also produce some good academy players but have the feeling they get dragged for a long way by loaning out back and forth, or we put them into first team, they play a couple of games and get sold for 1-5 mio. Something we’re doing wrong and needs improvement.
 
Is someone paying attention how City is selling their U21 players for crazy amounts? I find it hard to understand how on earth they manage to sell all these players for such heavy amounts, and how other clubs are ready to pay for it. Their youth management appartment must be pretty good.

- James Trafford to Burnley for 19 Mio. £ (approx. two weeks ago, 0 appearances for first team)
- Shea Charles to Southampton for 10.5 Mio. £ (approx. one month ago - 1 appearance for 27 min in City's last game where they were already Champion)
- Carlos Borges to Ajax for 17.3 Mio. £ (yesterday - 0 appearances for first team)

It is just insane what profit they make with their U21 players who not even play or ever played a role in the first team, but still manage to sell them for these ridiculous amounts and get a total of 46.8 Mio. £!

They must be doing something very well because in our case we would sell these playes for peanuts.

False invoicing is one of the most common money laundering typologies.
 
They’ve got a great academy set up producing these players. Ours is producing mainly players that struggle to excel in League 2 and the National League (McNeill and Hugill last season for example)

A few high profile ex-pupils succeeding under the banner of other clubs, some getting good outings in the favorable environment of a first team running at the highest performance and just in general benefiting from the very radiant achievements of the club...

Plus high profile academies of top clubs (City, United, Chelsea, Real, Barcelona, PSG...) just being more attractive, having higher budgets, better accomodations, already sitting on big local talent pools, better scouting and just outright buying international child & teen prospects.

Not to say there's no creative accounting involved but there's some sensible reasons why they're making good business.

I think if United gets back on the road to consistent success in the league, the academy players will suddenly look shinier.
There's a tendency perhaps to overcook prospects at MU that could be fixed and help raise the financial return when they get transferred. Hopefully with the first team being better built, there will be less of a tendency to keep the young ones around to make up numbers "just in case". It's fine having a path for academy players to get promoted if they can make the cut, but feel they often were a band aid on the lack of depth and some of the lads could have benefited from a loan or permanent transfers.
 
Grrrr when will get some serious movement on selling players. We need to get Amrabat into that midfield. I also can't bury my annoyance at losing Kim to Bayern for the exact same reason
 
Is someone paying attention how City is selling their U21 players for crazy amounts? I find it hard to understand how on earth they manage to sell all these players for such heavy amounts, and how other clubs are ready to pay for it. Their youth management appartment must be pretty good.

- James Trafford to Burnley for 19 Mio. £ (approx. two weeks ago, 0 appearances for first team)
- Shea Charles to Southampton for 10.5 Mio. £ (approx. one month ago - 1 appearance for 27 min in City's last game where they were already Champion)
- Carlos Borges to Ajax for 17.3 Mio. £ (yesterday - 0 appearances for first team)

It is just insane what profit they make with their U21 players who not even play or ever played a role in the first team, but still manage to sell them for these ridiculous amounts and get a total of 46.8 Mio. £!

They must be doing something very well because in our case we would sell these playes for peanuts.
We hold onto players for too long and give them large wages relative to their stature - it really is that simple.

For instance we could've gotten 30m for Henderson and at least 20m for Tuanzebe just a few years ago. The right move would've been to sell them with a buyback clause at the time. Instead, Tuanzebe left on a free and Henderson is likely going on loan yet again this year because nobody wants to pay a large transfer fee on top of his massive wages.
 
False invoicing is one of the most common money laundering typologies.

I don’t think City or any other buying club would risk this, especially considering the risk of shutting down the youth department. They just have a very good youth academy and apparently produce young players which gets immediately sold if they have any potential but not ready for first team due to certain circumstances.

A few high profile ex-pupils succeeding under the banner of other clubs, some getting good outings in the favorable environment of a first team running at the highest performance and just in general benefiting from the very radiant achievements of the club...

Plus high profile academies of top clubs (City, United, Chelsea, Real, Barcelona, PSG...) just being more attractive, having higher budgets, better accomodations, already sitting on big local talent pools, better scouting and just outright buying international child & teen prospects.

Not to say there's no creative accounting involved but there's some sensible reasons why they're making good business.

I think if United gets back on the road to consistent success in the league, the academy players will suddenly look shinier.
There's a tendency perhaps to overcook prospects at MU that could be fixed and help raise the financial return when they get transferred. Hopefully with the first team being better built, there will be less of a tendency to keep the young ones around to make up numbers "just in case". It's fine having a path for academy players to get promoted if they can make the cut, but feel they often were a band aid on the lack of depth and some of the lads could have benefited from a loan or permanent transfers.

Agree on this. When I take a look at some of other European young academies which are better than those mentioned e.g. Ajax or Dinamo Zagreb (stars produced such as Modric, Kovacic, Gvardiol and many more), but unfortunately they’re are not that fancy as the big clubs because they can’t offer all these fancy stuff which other teams have. But in terms of talents, they’re are amazing.

When taking a closer look at City’s young academy development, Pep did really introduce a certain way through all young systems to play and to live this way, hence since his arrival they’re producing some talents but many also leave after couple of years they have no future in first team. At the end, it’s a good business for the club.

Grrrr when will get some serious movement on selling players. We need to get Amrabat into that midfield. I also can't bury my annoyance at losing Kim to Bayern for the exact same reason

Same here, waiting for some movement in terms of selling players. We made good transfers and have a very good team, but we must absolutely sell some of the players. Hopefully there’s already some negotiations happening and we’re not at the beginning.

We hold onto players for too long and give them large wages relative to their stature - it really is that simple.

For instance we could've gotten 30m for Henderson and at least 20m for Tuanzebe just a few years ago. The right move would've been to sell them with a buyback clause at the time. Instead, Tuanzebe left on a free and Henderson is likely going on loan yet again this year because nobody wants to pay a large transfer fee on top of his massive wages.

We definitely stick to players for too long. Apart from the ones you mentioned, this also happened to Lingard and some other players. There’s no continuity and fast decision making. Instead of we keep them, loan them out, hope the player becomes an uprising star, and realize he’s the same person when he left, just one year older and one year less contract. So we renew the contract, pay more money, and loan him again. At the end, we complain why a player left for free or a small fee.

I do have a feeling ETH is quite decisive and removes all the remaining players who aren’t needed or have no potential to become a first team squad member. Finally someone who has the will to change something on the long term and improve the young academy.
 
False invoicing is one of the most common money laundering typologies.
Na, it’s because we keep our promising players because we aren’t a shit hole death of football.
I’d imagine selling Garnacho, Greenwood and Rashford would have brought in a large amount of money. Mainoo as well
 
We hold onto players for too long and give them large wages relative to their stature - it really is that simple.

For instance we could've gotten 30m for Henderson and at least 20m for Tuanzebe just a few years ago. The right move would've been to sell them with a buyback clause at the time. Instead, Tuanzebe left on a free and Henderson is likely going on loan yet again this year because nobody wants to pay a large transfer fee on top of his massive wages.
We used to do what City do when Fergie was in charge.
The reason why they and we could do that was simple, the team was simply good enough to not hold on to mediocre players when they were at their peak.
United tends to hold on too long to players because the team were shite and we are trying to keep whatever talent we have.
City on the other hand, already have a world class team, and it's easier for them to sell promising players since the only question they have to ask was is he good enough to replace/compete/provide cover to the ones in the first team?
For United, keeping those mediocre players becomes a vicious circle, as when you keep them (with large salaries) you can't easily sold them, and therefore you can't replace them with better players and keeping the team mediocre.
 
Fred + VdB = Amrabat
Maguire + Henderson = Todibo
Williams/Mejbri/Kovar = some cheap 3rd choice 'keeper like Suzuki or whoever

If we could get that done, this would be the best window in years. Because we'd have actually bought players to fill holes in the squad rather than simply superstars to fill roles in sponsor ads.

Long way to go, though.
 
Considering the talk of West Ham bidding for McT and Maguire what can we realistically get for sales?

McT 30 million
Maguire 30 million
Fred 20 million
Henderson 20 million
VDB 15 million
Bailly 5 million
Telles 5 million
Williams 5 million

Total 130 million

Not really keeping up with the possible prices but is this realistic?
 
Considering the talk of West Ham bidding for McT and Maguire what can we realistically get for sales?

McT 30 million
Maguire 30 million
Fred 20 million
Henderson 20 million
VDB 15 million
Bailly 5 million
Telles 5 million
Williams 5 million

Total 130 million

Not really keeping up with the possible prices but is this realistic?
Doubt well get 15 for VDB and anything for Bailly. Rest seem attainable
 
Considering the talk of West Ham bidding for McT and Maguire what can we realistically get for sales?

McT 30 million
Maguire 30 million
Fred 20 million
Henderson 20 million
VDB 15 million
Bailly 5 million
Telles 5 million
Williams 5 million

Total 130 million

Not really keeping up with the possible prices but is this realistic?

A few weeks ago I'd say you were mental.

But here we are today. moyes has that sweet sweet lego pep money burning a hole in his pocket.
 
Considering the talk of West Ham bidding for McT and Maguire what can we realistically get for sales?

McT 30 million
Maguire 30 million
Fred 20 million
Henderson 20 million
VDB 15 million
Bailly 5 million
Telles 5 million
Williams 5 million

Total 130 million

Not really keeping up with the possible prices but is this realistic?
15m for Elanga too
 
Selling some players that we are really not going to use this year sounds like a good plan.
 
I can't believe it, teams are interested and placing bids for
Maguire, McTominay, Fred, VDB, Baily, Henderson
This is like a dream come true if they are all sold in one transfer window
 
Fairly decent window so far. McTominay, Fred, VDB, Baily, Henderson and Martial left to be shipped off.
 
We've spent about 160m on Mount, Hojlund, Onana and Evans.

We've so far raised about 20m with the sales of Elanga, Telles & Iqbal.

It looks like Maguire to West Ham is a done deal too which would bring that to 50m.

McTominay - 35
Donny - 10
Fred - 10
Henderson - 20
Bailly - ?

We can't be going into the new season with basically close a zero net spend.
 
55m proceeds with Maguire gone for 30m, as reported. That’s Mount fee recouped.

If we sell Henderson, McTominay and Fred for 65m combined, it will be Hojlund recouped more or less and below 50m net spend
 
Let's say we sell Fred and VDB, which we should. Are we selling McT and replacing him with Amrabat? If so we're going into the coming season with Case, Eriksen, Amrabat, Hannibal and Mainoo. Is Mount even seen as a central midfielder?

I'm all for selling McT, but doesn't that make our central midfield kind of thin? Can we rely on Hannibal and Mainoo?
 
If Maguire goes, we still have 6 pieces of deadwood remaining in the squad - this sale would be not enough.
Henderson, Bailly, McFred, VDB and Martial are on the books
 
Bournemouth hijacking Leeds deal for Max Aarons could do us a favour in regards to Brandon Williams. Largely reported that Farke was signing Aarons due to Leeds being in dire need of a fullback asap and he had familiarity with Aarons from his time at Norwich, same would apply to Brandon so fingers crossed.
 
We've spent about 160m on Mount, Hojlund, Onana and Evans.

We've so far raised about 20m with the sales of Elanga, Telles & Iqbal.

It looks like Maguire to West Ham is a done deal too which would bring that to 50m.

McTominay - 35
Donny - 10
Fred - 10
Henderson - 20
Bailly - ?

We can't be going into the new season with basically close a zero net spend.

We will buy another midfielder and CB for 60m. Our net spend would be around 100m then.
 
We've spent about 160m on Mount, Hojlund, Onana and Evans.

We've so far raised about 20m with the sales of Elanga, Telles & Iqbal.

It looks like Maguire to West Ham is a done deal too which would bring that to 50m.

McTominay - 35
Donny - 10
Fred - 10
Henderson - 20
Bailly - ?

We can't be going into the new season with basically close a zero net spend.

Didn't Bailly leave for free today?
 
Yes but if acquisitions are contingent on sales, key squad players will join after the seasons starts.
Don’t think we’re buying key players for the remainder of the window, will just be squad players. We have a pretty set and decent starting XI for the first few games of the season already.
 
Yes but if acquisitions are contingent on sales, key squad players will join after the seasons starts.

Maguire seems on the edge of being confirmed, we can be optimistic West Ham may be back sooner than later for McTominay... That's the bulk of the money potentially coming in apart from Fred (6-15m ?). Don't fancy getting anything for poor VDB even if Sociedad loan him or any takers for Martial.

Edit : Forgot Henderson. I'd slash the price to move him along if a club has a sudden need for a starter (Like Palace may at the moment).
 
Bournemouth hijacking Leeds deal for Max Aarons could do us a favour in regards to Brandon Williams. Largely reported that Farke was signing Aarons due to Leeds being in dire need of a fullback asap and he had familiarity with Aarons from his time at Norwich, same would apply to Brandon so fingers crossed.
Max Aarons, darling of the Caf 4-5 years ago. How he has progressed
 
Bournemouth hijacking Leeds deal for Max Aarons could do us a favour in regards to Brandon Williams. Largely reported that Farke was signing Aarons due to Leeds being in dire need of a fullback asap and he had familiarity with Aarons from his time at Norwich, same would apply to Brandon so fingers crossed.

Seems possible.
 
So what's the most likely scenario now?
Fred to Turkey
VDB to Spain
Maguire to WH

And we replace them with Amrabat and Pavard?

If Henderson goes, with Kovar gone to Germany... do we also look at a third option between the posts?
 
So what's the most likely scenario now?
Fred to Turkey
VDB to Spain
Maguire to WH

And we replace them with Amrabat and Pavard?

If Henderson goes, with Kovar gone to Germany... do we also look at a third option between the posts?

Definitely expecting so. Could be a loan signing that perhaps.