I expect he'll still be at West Ham next season, and then Chelsea will get him for 70-80m the following season (depending on the ownership situation).
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Indeed. No one remotely good is coming here and anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get it out of our stupid heads.
We have hopefully learned our lesson by paying double the price for a player who is half as good as some think he is. He is highly limited, slow and nowhere near what is needed to compete with the best teams. This deal screams of Maguire part 2, let us for the love of god stay away!
Who knows how the ownership situation shakes out but its very difficult for me to imagine Chelsea spending 100m on a midfielder this summer. Or even 70-80m.
At least one if not two CBs has to be the bigger priority. And while I doubt the new owners want to institute unpopular austerity measures, I can't see them going on a huge spending spree either. Chelsea's wage bill is simply disproportionate to club revenue, an imbalance that only could exist previously due to Roman regularly pumping money into the club. The new owners will surely be trying to bring player costs down in the medium-to-long-term, more in line with revenues, and while that may not mean immediate slashing its not a goal consistent with dropping 150-200m this summer on marquee players who will demand huge wages.
Really looking forward to thursday to see if West Ham can get to the Europa Final. Sure he can't get all the plaudits if they do but he couldn't get none either.
Really disagree. He's a fantastic young DM, though obviously the price is obscene. I'd have him right up there, maybe just behind Tchouameni in terms of potential while being ahead of him with their current level, but if we did have an infinite amount of resources, then Rice would be a fantastic signing. He's unlikely to go anywhere for another 2 years though due to his contract, and football changes a lot. So who knows. But regarding his quality, he's an absolute beast as a defensive midfielder IMO. His passing is actually quite good and isn't just pointless square passes. His carrying with the ball is brilliant for a defensive midfielder. He is very secure in possession and obviously defensively he is a beast. Don't need him to be a creator of chances or a scorer as that's not his role in any way. But i genuinely think he's currently up there with the best defensive midfielders in the world and would transform us defensively.
I agree. Only hope is that the new ownership will want to make an initial splash to get the supporters on board and show how serious they are.
But i’m not expecting massive spending this summer. Thankfully we’ve got several very promising players already on our books coming back (Gallagher, Broja, Colwill) that can plug some holes.
I don’t agree with that, I just don’t think rice comes here next season.
He’ll be at Liverpool if Bellingham isn’t.
I dont think we should go for him at all. 100m and whilst he's good he's simply not worth that when we need several players.
Nah, they're getting Tchouameni who will quickly prove to be much the better player.
You should only pay big money for a single player when that’s the only player you really really need (like haaland going to city), it’s the icing on the cake or the cherry on top! not when you need pretty much a whole new squad like we do.
We should be in for a couple 30-50 mil players and a couple free players/young cheaper options. Realistically we need something north of 5 players this season alone plus bringing players back and promoting players.
Nknunku 55mil
Antony 40 mil
Kamara - free
Phillips - 50mil
Timber - 25mil
Spence -12 mil
Eriksen -free
182million total spend.
Garner
Williams
Laird
Hannibal
Garbacho
That lot would probably cost 30-40 million more than rice on his own.
Rice is obviously an exceptional player but 150m is ridiculous. He doesn’t have an irreplaceable skill set. You only pay that sort of money for a once in a generation goalscorer/creative force. Not for a box to box midfielder. Midfield is one of those places where individual talents are important but can be overcoming by the pieces fitting together well in a finely honed system. At 60-70m Rice makes sense but more than that, his signing starts to massively impact your ability to rebuild the rest of the team. The goal is to sign a player who can become the next Rice because unless he runs down his contract, West Ham have priced him out of the market.
Signing Rice means you still need another 8 to go along side him. Like Tchouameni. He doesn’t solve the problem alone.
Signing Rice means you still need another 8 to go along side him. Like Tchouameni. He doesn’t solve the problem alone.
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Moyes’ comment about losing Wayne Rooney makes me feel Rice is as good as gone now.
I like those options but feel out squad is a bit lightweight physically and none are particularly imposing. Phillips I'd be very careful about with his injuries too, we need players who will be available every week. Otherwise I agree with the premise.
I'd like one of Nunez/Tchou as our big money signing, supplemented by some shrewd deals.
For me Rice turning down yet another contract offer is very interesting and it will no doubt have set alarm bells ringing at WHU
Moyles talking about a £150 million is just clutter and he knows, we know and no doubt every team in the world knows that Rice isn’t worth that and no one is going to pay close to that sum.
WHU have to qualify for European football next season because if they fail Rice will move heaven and earth to get out of WHU and yes I think that will include the treat of using Article 17.
Rice is on paltry wages for a top PL player and being an academy product there is no amortised sum to be factored into any compensation and probably why Moyles is talking up the players value.
Chelsea will likely move on one, two or even possibly three from Jorginio , Berkley, and Kante and whilst none will attract top top fees they should bring in a decent wedge that and with the probability that Sauls loan won’t turn into a permanent deal there will be plenty enough wriggle room in the wage bill and if say £60 million is generated from fees that will go a fair way to paying a fee of circa £70-80 million that Rice is worth.
That is a whole load of players out but the more I hear about next season is that Chelseas squad will be bulked out by returning players such as Ampa, Ballagher and Broja with a couple of free transfers and two maybe three fees paid
Yeah you could switch Phillips with Tchouameni. Nunez is good aswell, any combination of them. We won’t have the perfect rebuild in one season but we have to get the toxicity out of the changing room and add great attitudes!
When turning down their latest deal, I imagine he made his intentions known when doing so.
The issue will be always be West Ham. This is a club that valued Issa Diop at £50m, so I don't hold a great deal of hope for the lad.
I think Chelsea will get him this summer.
He is simply getting tired of the same old conversation about Rice and idiotic reporters who won't grasp basic facts such as Rice being contracted to West Ham until 2025. He is especially irritated when the club are potentially three games from the Champions League.
The £150m is telling clubs to stop wasting their time if they are interested in signing him unless they are going to be truly stupid with any offers.
The West Ham board will have all manner of problems with the support if they were to accept the price of a Maguire for him.
Grealish is the minimum yardstick for a fee, but also a salutory lesson to players like Rice. Move on and become just a bit part player at a club genuinely challenging for the Champions League and Premier League.
Rice will not be interested in leaving West Ham to join a club that is just in the CL. He will want to be in a team that might win it. In reality, he only has three choices in England in the next 12-18 months - Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea - with that level of aspiration.
West Ham won't entertain Arsenal or Spurs, irrespective of who finishes fourth this year.
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What's the latest on their sale? Don't they need to sort that out before they can buy and sell players? It's all gone quiet.
They are currently blackmailing the potential buyers to guarantee spending a ton on Chelsea infrastructure etc.
Will be news soon......
City will get Haaland and Rice this summer just to take the absolute piss out of the league.
Good player and if he was available for £40m, I'd say go for it. But he's not worth much more than that.
agree with most of this. Is he Roy Keane? No. Is he the very best in the world? No. Is he very good at what he does and possibly available? Yes Would he improve our midfield immensely? Absolutely...
This narrative really needs to stop.
Look at what £40m gets you these days compared to Rice.
He seems to be not only vastly under-rated as a player at times, but it appears people don't understand the intangibles he brings to the table either.
I'm not saying he's a £100m player, but he's far, far closer to that then this - 'he's only worth £40m' bollocks.
Literally I don't know what people are watching sometimes. The guy is positionally sound, reads the game well, physical, can cover ground, a much better passer than given credit for and has even played B2B at times and added goals to his game. On top of that he's very consistent for both club and country, has great leadership qualities and a brilliant attitude. United fans should be all over this if he's genuinely gettable for a reasonable market value.
Agree. He's won me over as a player, but the other stuff has always radiated out of him.
He may decide to go elsewhere, but I don't see us not bidding for him (once we're in a position to).
Hopefully Chelsea get him so we're never linked with him again.
That is an absolute nightmare
United just need to be so much smarter than throwing huge amounts of money at players like Rice, if we’re serious about overhauling the squad.
Midfielders like Camavinga and Odegaard went for around £30m last year. And Sabitzer went for £12m.
These are the kinds of smartly priced bits of business we need to get the hang of, if we want to make our money go further.
Not really. We are 3-4 yrs away from doing anything so rather them than the vermin.
The biggest game of his club career by some distance tonight, and I expect to see him show his leadership qualities. I think if West Ham fall short over the 2 legs it will impact his thinking re how long he will stay with them. That said I think if he does move he will be looking to move to a club that is in the CL
I think its really difficult to judge how well someone like Declan will do at United.
He is currently playing in a very defensive side, the way ETH wants to play is pressing I assume, which means the DM will be left to clean up and start attacks. I just dont think he has the mobility to be that player for us. Especially for more than £60m.
He will come to United and look out of place, rather get 2 £30m CM's
He is currently playing in a very defensive side, the way ETH wants to play is pressing I assume, which means the DM will be left to clean up and start attacks. I just dont think he has the mobility to be that player for us. Especially for more than £60m.
He will come to United and look out of place, rather get 2 £30m CM's
Rice's mobility certainly isn't an issue, he's more of a box to box midfielder than he is a pure sitter anyway
I'd also fecking love if Tuchel ended up playing him CB
Hes definitely better defensively than anything we got although that bar is very low. He's a typical united target the board would love (overpriced, British, proven nothing, won nothing) to purchase. Would he take us up a few levels? Probably not. Would he plus another technically better central midfielder similar to the likes of jorginho or tiago take us up a few levels? Yes. But for over 100m absolutely not. We can get better value for money elsewhere.
For that sort of money we should be demanding the best. We should be learning from our mistakes.
For that sort of money we should be demanding the best. We should be learning from our mistakes.
Never in a million years a 100m player.
He's a very good player and would start for most football teams in the world bar maybe a select few. Yes, he's not worth £100m but he's a bloody good footballer. Problem is West Ham won't sell him for any less and that should be the end of any interest from us.
Ancelotti likes him.
If he has a good World Cup, he'll end up in Madrid.
If he has a good World Cup, he'll end up in Madrid.
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