Care to identify this new Michael Carrick you’re speaking of...cause if he doesn’t actually exist then we may have to look elsewhere?
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Rice will not come to United and we will go for someone else in the Summer.
I just hope we have learned from past summers and when we offer 70 mill and west ham say 100 we just walk away not put another offer in for 73 mill 6 weeks later then 75 6 weeks after that and when the transfer window shuts say we tried.
When people say find another carrick to replace carrick, do they mean in much the same way we replaced Keane with carrick?
In fairness, we replaced Carrick with Schneiderlin, and then replaced Schneiderlin with Matic and now Matic with Fred.
That’s my point, there’s more than 1 way to skin a cat
besides I was discounting them for being shit
Valid point.
It’s clear we need a balanced midfield with options. Players that can operate effectively in either a 6-8-8 or a 6-6-8 kind of formation depending on the opponent. In that regard, there is no doubt Rice would improve us as part of that jigsaw. He is not some kind of one stop shop fix. The only questions are - does his price limit us from improving the rest of the team...is there someone more suitable?
the answer to the first question is a definite yes. He will cost too much and we need a striker. He is not going to revolutionise our midfield and so that kind of expenditure is out imo.
the answer to the second question is quite simply no though. He is proven and it’s hard to see him not slotting in and doing what he does immediately. I’m not sure I could take another€40 million signing that needs 18 months to settle in. We can’t afford to wait.
it’s a conundrum. plus, he really would be coming for money if he chose use over Chelsea so that’s never a good way to start a relationship.
the answer to the first question is a definite yes. He will cost too much and we need a striker. He is not going to revolutionise our midfield and so that kind of expenditure is out imo.
the answer to the second question is quite simply no though. He is proven and it’s hard to see him not slotting in and doing what he does immediately. I’m not sure I could take another€40 million signing that needs 18 months to settle in. We can’t afford to wait.
it’s a conundrum. plus, he really would be coming for money if he chose use over Chelsea so that’s never a good way to start a relationship.
It's plain to see that whoever the manger comes in this summer that we need 4/5 Top Players at least. This is going to cost the club big money and I for one, don't think it will be done in one transfer window.
We might spend a million pound on 1 player and hope this will please most fans. The wool will be pulled over our eyes yet again
Rice is definitely worth 80-100m considering how young he still is, the fact that he is Hammers captain and pretty much a lock for national team starting lineup for years to come. We would be darn fools if the board doesn't do everything it possible can to sign this man in the summer even with lower chances due to him being a Chelsea youth product.
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I am conflicted on Rice particularly because of this because if Pogba leaves we have to sign an 8 but I also think that a braver manager would make a more deliberate effort to bed Hannibal in the role, at least against relegation fodder. If we bring Pochettino in I don't think he will have the bravery needed to make such a decision but I know Ralf or Ten Hag will. We have about three players (Hannibal, Garner and Galbraith) that could fulfill a squad role and hopefully grow from there but like I said it now depends on the manager - a conservative one like Ole or Poch wouldn't do that in my opinion because their decisions will be informed more by self preservation than the club's long term interests. I can easily see Scot McTominay and Hannibal/Garner alternating for the role to play alongside Rice in a two or having Rice - Garner and Bruno in a 4-3-3.
That's interesting and I never thought about it.
I don't watch much reserve football - it sounds like we could have potential deeper playmakers in our reserves -
Do we have any anchormen/shield type in our reserves midfield aswell?
Exactly!!!
We have zero defensive midfielders right now. How can we imagine that one person can play in all competitions, entire season, even if somehow they never get injured? Nobody can. And we have no backup.
Not to mention that Shaw/AWB vs Dalot/Telles situation clearly reminded us just how important it is to have competition for various roles. There should be no irreplaceable players!
I am certain, even Bruno should have rested some game, giving DvB chances. Would have made both better. And most players are nowhere near Bruno
Do we have to sign #8? Pogba has been injured half the season and we didn't even use DvB, who is a very good #8. Both McT and Fred are natural #8s. You may like or hate them but they are being started so why would we bring another #8 to bench like we benched Donny
We won't be bringing another no 8 to sit on bench but to displace Mctominay and Fred who frankly speaking are just plain average .
If we get Rice we'll definitely need a new 8 who can control the game with his passing. Personally i think Neves would work even if some think him an underwhelming signing. Rice/Bruno/Neves has a lot of the right skill set covered. Fred, McTominay and Hannibal as backups.
He won't be choosing us over Chelsea. If they seriously want him, he's going there. No ifs, buts or maybes. If Chelsea want him but refuse to pay the fee I'd expect he'd happily stay at West Ham for another year (maybe even two) to then get his dream move.
But Chelsea may not seriously want him. In which case he won't stay at West Ham for the rest of his career, and will be looking to move to one of the other top teams in the not too distant future.
If we did end up signing him my one worry would be that if he really did succeed and stepped up to the very top level, in three or four years Chelsea may now want him and Rice himself still wants that move. That would be an awkward situation to be in for us.
But Rice would be exactly the sort of signing you are asking for, as a player. You seem to just have a problem with him because he will cost a lot, which has nothing to do with whether or not he would be successful. He’s a West Ham player who has never even player in the CL, and nothing like signing world stars like Pogba and Di Maria from Juventus and Real Madrid! If he were to cost less, he’d be a text book ‘2nd tier player looking to become 1st’.
Yeah, he seems pretty switched on and sensible. However, whenever I have seen him interviewed he always seem to mention London and/or Chelsea so I really don't see him moving out of London. Maybe he'll go elsewhere in London, if Chelsea don't want him, but I cannot see him moving up North.
I think he would be a smashing player to sign.
Dont think it will happen
Dont think it will happen
Except we already did that. DvB should have been a much better #8 than McT and Fred but McFred kept getting all the chances, where DvB was never given any serious chance. And it's not like we got him for cheap or he didn't have more experience in Champions League than McT. So clearly, our managers think much more highly about McT and Fred than we do...
Yeah makes sense. Seems pretty attached to family, neighbourhood, and grew up Chelsea fan.
Very good, I'd rather Chelsea pay 100M for him than us
That's all fair, but if we don't then we need a player who can run the game from deep like a Carrick, because none of our 8s can.
You are hardly making any sense how does DVB being useless prove McFred are good enough or highly rated by our managers .
Yeah we are a backup to Chelsea for him which I know many of our fanbase won't want to hear
That's the point. DvB is not useless. He is a very good #8 based on what he has done before us and even in games he played for us. And yet Fred was still chosen in front of him.
YES! Ideally a very good #6. And that is one of the big problems with McT, not only he is poor defensively but he is a champion of hiding from the ball when CBs need to make a pass to a #6 to move the ball forward.
What a depressing notion. In the old days, even before SAF, you wouldn’t have players turning their nose up at signing for us.
If he’d rather not come, fine. Looking for a player with similar qualities seems less of a waste of time in that case.
A player like him, a man like him, is what we need but I’m more than happy if it’s not actually him.
But who?!? God help us.
I have just watched the Overlap with Gary Neville........Rice isn’t coming to Manchester and he will be staying in London.
It's not the player himself. It's the transfer policy that leads to buying him.
I'd be opposed to any player X from any club Y who would cost the entireity of our transfer budget.
I’m opposed to frittering our transfer budget on unproven prospects, old men and fringe players.
I agree we don’t have to buy Rice and probably won’t be able to. However the principle of spending the whole budget on one player is okay with me, as long as the player is good enough (i.e. would get into any team in the country).
Like him but we have so much business to do this summer that can’t spend the budget on one player. We are going to lose a lot of players for little to no money….
Would take a near world record transfer from to sign him
None of the ‘galactico’ examples you gave cost the entirety of our budget when we bought them. Neither will Declan Rice. We have broken records multiple times yet never signed just the one player at the time. This just sounds like normal caf negativity for the sake of negativity. Let’s just focus on the player. If we want/need this player - then let’s stop finding ways to spin going out and getting him into something negative.
Yeah could get a Haidara/Bissouma & Kamara for between £50-£60m then still got money for RB and ST too but we don't think sensibly
All depends on who the next permanent manager is. If it was Ten Hag he may want fankie de jong (as an example), RR may wany haidara and Poch may want Rice. We need to nail our permanent manager asap so we can start to work on deals for the summer. Not wait until last 2 weeks of the summer window
Ten Hag still my top choice
In hindsight we would have been better off renewing Herrera’s contract. Exactly the sort of midfielder we need right now. Can’t see Rice wanting to join us this season. Chelsea will get him.
Probably worth getting Kessie on a free and signing another couple of midfielders.
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