I'ma ask y'all this Question!!
What's the point of Buying a supposed Midfielder that's good at chasing down opposition players but can't retain possession or keep the ball for his team when under any pressure?
I watched Verratti through out the Euro 2020 tournament but couldn't help but think he's the type of Controlling Midfielder we need, who's also good at Tackling and pressing too, Rice ain't the type of Midfielder that would suit us, we need a ball playing Midfielder with a bit of enegry to his game, we don't need another headless chicken type midfielder i can't stress it further.
The thing with Rice, he is just a better McTominay, its not someone we need to pay £60m for.
Like you said Verratti is the sort of player you need as a team if you are to control games, he can receive the ball under any circumstance and play a very good ball out.
I have said this for a while, Manutd need someone in the midfield that can pass a ball, by that I don't mean play the easy ball to CB, or full back but its finding those line breaking passes into the forwards.
Like who? Very few good controlling midfielders out there.I'ma ask y'all this Question!!
What's the point of Buying a supposed Midfielder that's good at chasing down opposition players but can't retain possession or keep the ball for his team when under any pressure?
I watched Verratti through out the Euro 2020 tournament but couldn't help but think he's the type of Controlling Midfielder we need, who's also good at Tackling and pressing too, Rice ain't the type of Midfielder that would suit us, we need a ball playing Midfielder with a bit of enegry to his game, we don't need another headless chicken type midfielder i can't stress it further.
Like who? Very few good controlling midfielders out there.
Well ironically it was McT who was United’s best player. It was the attacking players that didn’t turn upNo
It was like watching the same game situation with different players.
Like a bad remake of a bad movie
A lot of people are saying that he's not seen as a massive upgrade on Fred or McTominay, but for me there's actually nothing between the three of them. All excel in different parts of the game.
Anyway, we need somebody like Locatelli, Frenkie de Jong, Verratti to give us greater control.
A lot of people are saying that he's not seen as a massive upgrade on Fred or McTominay, but for me there's actually nothing between the three of them. All excel in different parts of the game.
Anyway, we need somebody like Locatelli, Frenkie de Jong, Verratti to give us greater control.
McT >= RiceI like fr(i)ed rice.
Locatelli has been a name known to the Caf muppet kingdom for long before that game.Is Locatelli that good? I saw him in euros and for me he is nothing special. Verratti, De jong yes i agree but the love for Locatelli was based on his 2 goals in that one game, i really dont think he is that special. Pedri on the other hand is fantastic young player.
Is Locatelli that good? I saw him in euros and for me he is nothing special. Verratti, De jong yes i agree but the love for Locatelli was based on his 2 goals in that one game, i really dont think he is that special. Pedri on the other hand is fantastic young player.
Yeah you saw on Sunday against England how beneficial one of these can be to your midfield, however Ole doesn't play in the same way as Mancini so still think we are looking at someone who is more of a sitting DM
Do you think Rice would have changed anything about the result against Villarreal for example? Do you think what you are describing there, is what we were lacking last season, when we drew 11 games, 8 out of those goalless?
Our squad was better than Villarreal's. We lost that game on the training ground.No - in that game, we lost because our squad was too poor. But do I think Rice could have made a difference in matches where we lost points due to a counter-attack against - yes possibly.
The reason Im interested in some Rice is not really because that I think he is a Carrick style deep lying playmaker- it’s more to do with me believing that even after we get that type of deep lying playmaking CDM in to the squad; that we will still need a CDM who is capable of doing what Rice does.
If it’s not this year whilst we focus on a different type of midfielder (camavinga etc) then it will most likely be another.
The guy is 22 and he is very intellectually playing the CDM role in a defensive way. His attacking mindset is shown up to be a bit unnecessarily overly simplified when playing for England - but you can see in the first 30 mins vs Italy that he can make some passes like he didn’t attempt to do for most of the tournament & it was more the style we see him at West Ham. (During that time it was England who was controlling the match before turning it and giving the ball to Italy to hold possession freely towards the end of the first half and the whole of the second half)
If we have Pogba and want to use him as our main creative output in midfield then I think Rice is a good choice. The team gets the creativity of Pogba, Bruno, Shaw, Sancho, the deep ball playing abilities of Maguire/Lindelof and a new CB, the deep lying forward abilities of Martial and Cavani, the clinical ability of Rashford and Greenwood able to focus on it with extra creators in the team etc.
However if Pogba is not going to be here- or only used sparingly like he was a bit last season then Rice is not a good choice because what we need is a deep lying playmaker that replaces Pogba’s role in the squad rather than a deep lying playmaker that replaces Matic. They are slightly different types of CDM and in my eyes we could do we both.
The one player I’m quite interested is James Garner and how ready he maybe to step up for United. If he is potentially good enough to play for us then isn’t he our future deep lying playmaker? If we buy one instead then does it stop Garners ability to play that role in the team? Say if Garner becomes a very good playmaker for us - does Rice become more the type of CDM we need?
Surely Barcelona are never going to sell Pedri in a million years. Financial predicament or not, I think he'd fall into the protected species category - a player they simply wouldn't entertain doing business for. Would not make any sense, he could be the backbone of their midfield for a decade and is perfect for their ideal style of football.I actually entered this thread with intentions to write "let's spend £70m on Pedri before he becomes a Barca for life player", he is fantastic and I'd love for us to get him. The Locatelli shout is actually because I play football with a Milan fan who's been singing his praise for a few years, and watching him in the tournament you understand why he could take a step to the next level in a bigger club.
I haven't decided whether the ultimate goal for Ole is to be able to play 4-2-3-1 with a 'classic' double pivot; i.e. a deep-lying playmaker and a box-to-box... or a 4-3-3 with a passing holding midfielder, either way I think a player of this profile would work if we upgrade our right CB.
Veratti the man himself would be great. A player like him but not as good is a different prospect.The thing with Rice, he is just a better McTominay, its not someone we need to pay £60m for.
Like you said Verratti is the sort of player you need as a team if you are to control games, he can receive the ball under any circumstance and play a very good ball out.
I have said this for a while, Manutd need someone in the midfield that can pass a ball, by that I don't mean play the easy ball to CB, or full back but its finding those line breaking passes into the forwards.
I think Rice's performances and the very divergent views have become more of a topic than the likelihood of any transfer at this stage!It is baffling how this thread is going to go beyond 200 pages without a single link between United and the player, even in the tabloids.
It is baffling how this thread is going to go beyond 200 pages without a single link between United and the player, even in the tabloids.
I doubt it matters anyway this year.
We probably don't have enough money to sign a decent midfielder unless we sell a couple first.
Just hoping it stays that way, with the club staying away.It is baffling how this thread is going to go beyond 200 pages without a single link between United and the player, even in the tabloids.
If he wants out and a club has enough budget left (not sure what we have) then it’ll happen and it won’t be 100m or any other paper figure
Martial for 35??? Someone please ban this guy.Sell Dalot, Jones, Lingaard, James and Martial. That should be enough for Rice (even though I would not want him here).
Dalot 20m
Jones 5m
Lingaard 25m
Martial 35m
=85m Euros
Rio is one of my all time favourite United players but my god does he come across as being a bit thick at times. Sad to see how bad he and Scholes are at punditry despite having been phenomenal footballers.I'm not sure what the definition of a "link" is, but there's been a lot of media speculation about United and Rice.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/06/rio-...ielder-instead-of-eduardo-camavinga-14882535/
Rio Ferdinand urges Manchester United to sign Declan Rice instead of Eduardo Camavinga
I'm not sure what the definition of a "link" is, but there's been a lot of media speculation about United and Rice.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/07/06/rio-...ielder-instead-of-eduardo-camavinga-14882535/
Rio Ferdinand urges Manchester United to sign Declan Rice instead of Eduardo Camavinga
Rio is one of my all time favourite United players but my god does he come across as being a bit thick at times. Sad to see how bad he and Scholes are at punditry despite having been phenomenal footballers.
Agent Shaw currently in Mykonos with Declan Rice, whispering in his ear perhaps?
Doesnt Shaw have a wife and kid now? How's he been allowed to go on a lads holiday after being away with England for over a month?
How do you know they aren't there with him? Or they may be meeting up with him later?Doesnt Shaw have a wife and kid now? How's he been allowed to go on a lads holiday after being away with England for over a month?
