He will become another Jack Rodwell. Typical English talent for a season or two.
Declan Rice
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You could also argue Spurs are no bigger than WH so Kane
Bet you 20quid he doesn’t
Hell no
On what evidence does someone make this statement? For me, there's nothing at all to suggest that, quite the opposite.
I dont need a history lesson,i watched both of those games,the poster referred to a national captain and I was alluding to the World Cup in 66,remember that?
But England is another level.
Shearer got the job as a PL winner.
Platt was playing for Juventus when he got the gig.
Considering Pearce got the gig about 12 years after forest had won the European cup for the second time and shortly after they were the league cup winners and FA Cup runners up I’m not quite sure you can call them a “lesser side” either.
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Feel like the people who only watch him at England have gotten more scared of him due to his defensive priority. Stats showing he isn’t that bad on the ball and is improving.
I want him most because of what I can see us playing with in the future - ie VDB false 9, Bruno& Pogba CM/CAM partnership in a 433 etc.
Pearce and Platt never captained England at a major tournament though
Even if he isn’t captain - I don’t see how people thinks he is not a leader - he is consistently telling the CB’s where to make the pass or position as soon as they get the ball or move.
Rice has 59 interceptions to Mctominay’s 29 and is even a better passer than him.
The passing statistics clearly show the claim Rice is a better passer is bullshit. What they show rater is Rice is vastly superior in his positioning. As expected because he was first a defender before being converted to a defensive midfielder. Whilst Mctominay is still learning to rein in his attacking instincts.
But he is superior - doesn’t build up the people who say he is the same as Mctominay - better defensive ability as well as being a better passer.
Mctominay had 30 less interceptions in a season!
Agreed, obviously to get England captaincy he will need to become captain for one of the bigger clubs.
Ah, sorry I didn't realise you were the club's chief financial officer. How do you know how much we have to spend? And was Pogba a good deal? Seriously, sometimes, if you really want something/someone, you have to pay the asking price. I do not believe Rice is worth £90m, if that's the price I would walk away. But that's just me... I still haven't seen that price quoted.
If the club decides he is a must-have, then they may have to pay the asking price. If not, then don't. But neither affects me personally
You have to factor in the minutes played. Rice has played about 8 games worth of extra minutes. For that he’s passed the ball around 200 times more. That’s about 25 passes a game. Not getting on the ball enough is a criticism of McTominay and looks a valid one for Rice too.
Those stats don’t really show Rice is a better passer. Passing stats aren’t great evidence anyway.
Taking shearer as the obvious one, he won the league once with Blackburn. It would be like making vardy captain. The point is, who they play for is irrelevant it’s about their inner drive
Its all ready been statistically proven Rice is not a superior passer. He is just slightly better. Which is not reason enough to break the bank for him
Its already been established Rice's positioning is better
But would his prime job be breaking up opponents' attacks? If he (by himself) does that better than the two doing it at the moment, would he be a good bet. I'm not saying he is or isn't; he's not a prime target for me but I wouldn't cry if we got him
Whoscored comparison has Rice having more passes per game, higher pass completion, more key passes per game, more dribbles per game, more interceptions per game, more tackles per game, more long passes per game, more clearances per game, more…well you get the idea. And he’s 2 years younger.
He’d literally just won the league though, and the golden boot in Euro 96.
So if Vardy had Shearer’s attitude and ability and was an England regular with an International golden boot to his name; would it have been even a little bit weird for him to have been made captain in 2017?
So less goals, and pretty much even on everything else + played 700 minutes more.
That is not a £70m improvement which is exactly why people are hesitant. We're essentially talking about signing a more defensive Mctominay. Is that really what we need?
I don’t watch him enough to really know for sure. I can’t say he’s ever overly impressed me, but I try to avoid watching West Ham as much as possible.
I agree that we should be vary of "breaking the bank for him". I also agree that there is question marks relating to his passing (for such a role). But I do think he is a better passer than McTominay. According to Statsbomb Rice completed 30 passes/crosses into the penalty area from OP. McTominay made 10. Statsbomb also show that Rice made 41 "shot creating passes". McTominay made 24. It is quite a significant difference. Especially since it should benefit McT playing for Man Utd.
Rice is also good at using his left foot if the angle/option is better something that help make his passing a bit quicker and more efficient. I do however understand the concern over this issue since we do not have a Scholes/Carrick partner for him.
Camavinga will replace them eventually.
Given the choice between defensively strong but very limited for 70/80 million vs potentially top class Cm for 30/40 million it's a no brainer.
We won't win the league either way this coming season may as well go for the bigger talent.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...interest-declan-rice-could-use-tammy-abraham/
There's nothing wrong with wanting value for the money your club spends as a fan. If we're spending big on that position, I'd rather we go upwards of £70m on Ndidi. I've seen nothing outstanding from Rice, even as a specialist DM.
Yeah but shearer was captain for a long time even at Newcastle so my point remains it’s more about the person rather than who they play for
There are a stack of top DMs available this summer with only 1 year left on their contract. Almost ten of them last time I looked.
United 1-1 Fulham
United 2-4 Liverpool
United 1-2 Leicester
United 2-2 Leicester
United 1-1 West brom
United 3-3 Everton
United 1-2 Sheffield Utd
Just some performances post January where some may argue that our defensive stability could be better against teams that ended up lower than us in the league.
Sure it can also be done by outscoring a team too.
Liverpool 0-0 United
Arsenal 0-0 United
Chelsea 0-0 United
Crystal Palace 0-0 United
Leeds 0-0 United
A lot of time we couldn’t break down teams that were mostly at our level.
United 2-4 Liverpool
United 1-2 Leicester
United 2-2 Leicester
United 1-1 West brom
United 3-3 Everton
United 1-2 Sheffield Utd
Just some performances post January where some may argue that our defensive stability could be better against teams that ended up lower than us in the league.
Sure it can also be done by outscoring a team too.
Liverpool 0-0 United
Arsenal 0-0 United
Chelsea 0-0 United
Crystal Palace 0-0 United
Leeds 0-0 United
A lot of time we couldn’t break down teams that were mostly at our level.
See above....
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I don’t doubt his head has been turned but I think it’s done by United players not Chelsea’s
I mean does his head really need to be turned when he plays for West Ham ?
Top clubs or midtable finish/relegation battle with the Hammers, toughie.
Top clubs or midtable finish/relegation battle with the Hammers, toughie.
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Mason Mount is a close friend of his, and if i'm not mistaken, they both grew up together. Chelsea will probably sign him this summer.
Mason Mount is a close friend of his, and if i'm not mistaken, they both grew up together. Chelsea will probably sign him this summer.
I tend to agree with this assessment, but I think that Pogba could quite realistically be sold which would allow us to continue all of our current targets and maybe find a cheaper, more established midfielder to soak up some games. It all depends on if the club thinks Camavinga is going to be the real deal long term, and if so, you buy him now before his price explodes. I'd be ok with taking the hit in the near with that approach, if it means longer term success and solidifying the position.
There are so many weaknesses in the starting XI that it's impossible to fix it all in 1 window. But if we do actually get Varane and Camavinga to go along with Sancho, that is an amazing start. Next summer we will be pursing Haaland or another quality striker, but should also be enough to find a quality midfielder and although it will be too early to judge Camavinga after only 1 season in the prem at his age, the club will at least have an idea if he's on the right track.
For the price of Rice we could get Bissouma and Camavinga. Is that not a better deal, if even you consider Yves is no Rice, they are not that far apart.
Agreed we should actually be signing Camavinga and an experienced signing as well in midfield but at the end of the day the positive of signing the Frenchman is simply too good to not go for. But if it's just one, feck it, go for the player who can genuinely be a top class CM and might actually be worth 90 million one day unlike Rice who is worth half of that, at best. And I don't see us winning the league adding Rice instead of Camavinga either, he's more the finished product, but I see us being still some way from winning the league, regardless.
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