A whole 3 caps for England. And that was that strange summer for City where they also signed Scott Sinclair.
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A whole 3 caps for England. And that was that strange summer for City where they also signed Scott Sinclair.
This really is a player we shouldn't waste money on. We have McTominay who is similar and maybe even has more talent.
Exactly these situations, where we should spend on positions where we cant promote good talent
Exactly these situations, where we should spend on positions where we cant promote good talent
Errrr I’m talking about early in the thread just as it’s early days for Rice. I can quote too but it’s there for everyone to see. Don’t be so deliberately obtuse it’s the exact same scenario. From the first page alone there’s talk of him being a huge talent and a future United player.
I think City were trying to increase their English quota
also pleased to see i was on the money
This was his best season at Everton. 17 starts. In fact he's 28 and has never started more than 17 matches in the league in his career.
Rice has played 32 so far this season at 20.
That was one if the key things with Rodwell, he had a terrible injury record. He never put in a season as good as Rice has this year. I remember reading some puff piece on City's amazing medical staff and how they were going to fix Jack Rodwell with their super techniques like installing special seats in his car.
This was his best season at Everton. 17 starts. In fact he's 28 and has never started more than 17 matches in the league in his career.
Rice has played 32 so far this season at 20.
Not my fault people were using mass hyperbole just as they are with Rice...
Michael Antonio did say Rice reminded him of Makelele though
Its not hyperbole with Rice, thats the point. He's a good young player who deserves to be talked about not about "potential" but about what hes doing now.
No but when the likes of man city have the ball you need someone to get the call back and provide better protection to the defence and keeper. City realize this with Fernandinho. Liverpool have kloggers to get the ball back. You need a solid base to give your silky players the freedom to express themselves
He's no fecking way in the same league as Kante. The hype around some of these young players is ridiculous. Especially for a kid who switched his senior affiliation to England from Ireland, so of course he's going to get hyped/overhyped
Need technically adept players who have the right temper about them with and without the ball. It's way toooooo early to give Rice any sort of credit like this to make the jump from West Ham to Manchester United. If Pogba is going to stay, will a double pivot of these players be enough to support United and Pogba...McTominay, Fred, Rice, Matic? I don't think so.
Recovering the ball isn't always the issue with United, it's what happens when you get the ball then transition up the pitch. McTominay is on equal footing with Rice as far as I'm concerned, if not a bit more ahead. What McTominay did against PSG is the same stuff Rice is being lauded for now...yet McTominay did it in the CL. You want a deep player midfield metronome, let's just try to clone Carrick because that's the type of player United need.
Meanwhile, City and other smarter, better run clubs are being linked with Rodri from Atletico Madrid or Ndombele.
Need technically adept players who have the right temper about them with and without the ball. It's way toooooo early to give Rice any sort of credit like this to make the jump from West Ham to Manchester United. If Pogba is going to stay, will a double pivot of these players be enough to support United and Pogba...McTominay, Fred, Rice, Matic? I don't think so.
Recovering the ball isn't always the issue with United, it's what happens when you get the ball then transition up the pitch. McTominay is on equal footing with Rice as far as I'm concerned, if not a bit more ahead. What McTominay did against PSG is the same stuff Rice is being lauded for now...yet McTominay did it in the CL. You want a deep player midfield metronome, let's just try to clone Carrick because that's the type of player United need.
Meanwhile, City and other smarter, better run clubs are being linked with Rodri from Atletico Madrid or Ndombele.
And what did Fergie say about Phil Jones?
Ah come on, Fergie said that to get under Rooney's skin
Yeah I do not even rate Rice highly but, he has made himself a key player at a decent PL side Rodwell never did that.
He’s got some keane-like qualities, we will regret not getting him if he goes elsewhere
*as in great attitude, great at winning the ball back, timing and good control in tight spaces. Got a nice little acceleration too
*as in great attitude, great at winning the ball back, timing and good control in tight spaces. Got a nice little acceleration too
I honestly don’t see it. Each to their own but I’m confident we will be a laughing stock if we spend the summer pissing about over Rice. For me he’s another in a long list of overrated youngsters with ‘potential’. At the time plenty seemed convinced Rodwell would be all that, it’s there to see in the thread. So, for me, Rice is now in that exact same bracket.
No, I think it is fabrication that he can only find the next man. His passing is certainly not worse than that of Kante or Casemiro.
I dont understand the comparisons with Rodwell. When you buy youngsters there's always a chance things might not work out. Dosen't mean you stop buying potential talents.
Someone randomly brought him up tbh.
He's a bang average player in good form and playing for a decent side. I'd much rather we keep matic and mctominay for that position and look to groom mctominay, as he clearly had a knack for that role .Just needs more discipline.
From this vid he looks very good on the ball.
Is he better than Neves?
No.
I can’t make my mind up on him. If I was Ole and our scouts were recommending him I’d stay clear at this stage! Way more duds than any other club in the last 10 years and until we can spot a good one again I’d be keeping the powder dry!
Fair enough
I can understand why folks dont rate him, he isnt a very glamourous name. But we need a destroyer in our midfield. Play the role Matic played at Chelsea or Casemiro at Real, someone to do the dirty work so the players in front of him can go on and express themselves. We cant go new CM - Neves(or someone similar) -Pogba we'd get mauled thats too lightweight and I dont reckon we can overnight switch to a possesion based system like City have. Dont have the players for that.
But hes not potential, thats what you're not getting. He's an improvement on what we have in DM now, not in 2 years
Well I’m an improvement on what we have in DM.... that’s not a glowing reference by any means. I just don’t think he’s actually very good and he’s ridiculously overrated.
Neves has been more shit than good. If he isn't better than Neves based on this season then we should close this thread.
Whoscored stats: Rice 6.93, Neves 6.87 (league only). Guess we should close the thread. People are seeing what they want to see with Rice.
He's quite different to Neves. And Neves is 2 years older
Both are an improvement on Matic
In a team where character is lacking and leaders nowhere to be found I find it funny that people do not see what he brings to the table in that regard. I stated earlier that his stats are quite impressive and compaired them to Fernandinho and Rice stats are quite impressive. He´s also been chosen to play for England at the age of 20 playing a very demanding position that not many young players do. He´s a DM (could be a CB) also and is a player that leads by example and has at least the times I´ve watched him impressed me. He´s not a Carrick or a deep laying playmaker but he would have been first choice for us all season long in the DM if he had been at United. We are a team full of players that do not give enough effort and no matter how talented you are you need to do the basics. Sometimes people in this mould have been called "watercarriers" but every team needs grafters and leaders that are ready to do the hard work players like Pogba do not like to do. We have been leaking goals and we have a midfield that´s outplayed by almost every team be it Derby,Wolves,Southampton or the bigger teams. He is a leader and we need them as I belive we do not have a single leader in the squad and on top of that he´s doing rather well on the playing side. Put Pogba and Erikssen or Ndombele and Fernandes in front of him and I think the improvement would be huge.
I have been impressed by Rodrigo (Atletico Madrid). Do you think Rice is better than him?
Eh, I think their floor is pretty high since Rice can play CB (average height for one, good mobility and passing, think he'd be good back there) and Wan-Bissaka is far ahead of any non CM in tackles in the Prem and clearly a good prospect defensively.
Like let's say they turn out fine instead of really well and Rice is Erik Dier with more mobility and aggression and Wan-Bissaka is a fast Arbeloa, that isn't turning us back into a European power anytime soon, but it would improve us defensively for the next 7 or 8 years, and while 100M seems like a lot, with their age we could get their best 6-7 seasons and still sell them for a profit even if they don't become Makelele and a right-sided Ashley Cole like the optimists will hope.
I think Rice suits us better under Ole. I think we'll play with two #8's next season and we'll need someone who can cover ground quickly. Rice fits that profile and looks very capable technically too and would help greatly with setting a high tempo which would help us with and without the ball.
Rodri is far better which is why City are chasing him.
Rodrigo is my first choice..
I don't dislike Rice (committed player, good tackler, moves well, good size, but probably a CB and not a DM for a big team with his being an average passer, though I guess he could be a Casemiro type if he keeps developing) but this is almost certainly true.
You would think City would get mauled play Gundogan, Silva and Silva but instead they do the mauling.
Are you more or less confident with this prediction than you were last summer when you said he wouldn't be a starter for West Ham?
Funny that City would never be realistically linked with Rice nor would their fans even discuss it. Because y’know, they will be chasing proper future stars and far superior technically superior players such as Rodri.
The obvious choice and the easiest to get done if he wants to leave Atletico that is. 60 million pounds for Rodri is a way better deal than Rice. We need technically good players, and Rodri is better than Rice in that regard
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