Declan Rice | signs for arsenal

[scottser]

his teeth would remind you of klopp's. it wouldn't surprise me if he was jurgen's lovechild.

 

[Daydreamer]

I don't know how or why you are not getting the point. At no point ManUtd or Chelsea would have easily spent 120 million pounds for Rice, something posted by Arsenal fan.

Also it's not even difficult point that attackers or attack oriented/minded players usually cost more than defensive ones, that's why biggest fee is dominated by the attacking players.

I believe he said a year ago (with an extra year on his contract) Chelsea or United could easily have paid £10m or £20m more. So a whopping £20m more than United spent on Pogba. Or £30m more than they spent on Harry Maguire. Or almost exactly what Chelsea just paid for a midfielder five months ago. It also happens to be the British transfer record for the highest fee paid for a player.

 

[roonster09]

I believe he said a year ago (with an extra year on his contract) Chelsea or United could easily have paid £10m or £20m more. So a whopping £20m more than United spent on Pogba. Or £30m more than they spent on Harry Maguire. Or almost exactly what Chelsea just paid for a midfielder five months ago. It also happens to be the British transfer record for the highest fee paid for a player.

Or would they pay 120 million more than they paid for Eriksen? Or 50 million more than they paid for Casemiro? Double the money they paid for Bruno? Yeah don't see that happening.

Even in 2020, the reported fee was around 70-75 million, so why would any club pay 50 million more than the reported asking price.

Arsenal paid what they had to, no need to do mental gymnastics to come up with how other clubs would have easily paid more.

 

[El-Manos]

Insane amount. Happy we stayed away from him for that money. Will most definitely improve Arsenal though.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

Not sure if it is a done deal and the final cost. Denver which is owned by Stan Kroenke just won the NBA title, his Colorado Avalanche also had a good season (not including the playoff) as well. He and his management team seem have a good idea on how to run a sport franchise(the US term). He has been investing heavily in Arsenal lately in player recruitment.

 

[Daydreamer]

Or would they pay 120 million more than they paid for Eriksen? Or 50 million more than they paid for Casemiro? Double the money they paid for Bruno? Yeah don't see that happening.

Even in 2020, the reported fee was around 70-75 million, so why would any club pay 50 million more than the reported asking price.

Arsenal paid what they had to, no need to do mental gymnastics to come up with how other clubs would have easily paid more.

Mental gymnastics? Suggesting that United or Chelsea may have paid an inflated fee for a highly rated midfielder is pretty much the opposite of mental gymnastics.

Paying £70m for Casemiro is a bigger financial hit than even a hypothetical £110m fee for Rice as one has considerable resale value and the other has practically zero.

And Chelsea literally shelled out that sort of money for a similar player this year.

 

[roonster09]

Mental gymnastics? Suggesting that United or Chelsea may have paid an inflated fee for a highly rated midfielder is pretty much the opposite of mental gymnastics.

Paying £70m for Casemiro is a bigger financial hit than even a hypothetical £110m fee for Rice as one has considerable resale value and the other has practically zero.

And Chelsea literally shelled out that sort of money for a similar player this year.

No, he isn't similar player. Enzo Fernandez is at different level compared to Rice with a completely different skillset.

Casemiro is few levels better than Rice, no, it's not a bigger financial hit as Rice is yet to prove he can play at Casemiro does.

And ofcourse it's a mental gymnastics, looks like for some reason Arsenal fans are embarrassed about the fee (Not sure why), so they came up with hypothetical scenarios. At no point there was a single report that ManUtd or Chelsea were ready to pay 100 million for Rice, all the reports that asking price is around 70-80 million, the fee that clubs didn't match. It was only from last season or just before that Rice's asking price was reported way higher.

Manutd were ready to pay 80 million for De Jong, paid 70 million for Casemiro, paid 80+ million for Antony. ManUtd were desperate for 2 midfielders and at no point there were ready to pay 110-120 million or even linked with Rice last summer. It was all De Jong, Rabiot and finally Casemiro. It's not like we didn't spend big money, we spent on Casemiro, Antony and even ready to pay the fee for De Jong (Maybe instead of Casemiro).

Just because we paid big fee for Pogba, Casemiro doesn't mean we would have paid for every midfielder out there. It's like saying you paid 70 million for Pepe, so you would have paid 70 million for any random right winger. No, it doesn't work like that.

 

[tinfish]

A great signing. A little expensive but we were never gonna get Bellingham.
I just hope it’s not our only statement signing. Time will tell.

 

[Irwin99]

Great signing for them, very good player (thought he was very poor in the recent cup final but that was probably an off day).

From a player perspective is Arsenal the best choice for consistent champions league football though?

 

[GoonerBear]

Great signing for them, very good player (thought he was very poor in the recent cup final but that was probably an off day).

From a player perspective is Arsenal the best choice for consistent champions league football though?

Well it's looking like 5 teams will qualify with the new format and we are in a good position as anyone not named Man City to claim 1 of them. So other than City in this country, why not?

 

[Svartzonker]

Paying £70m for Casemiro is a bigger financial hit than even a hypothetical £110m fee for Rice as one has considerable resale value and the other has practically zero.

This is most likely bs in this case. It’s not like Arsenal are going to sell him. He will play the next decade at Arsenal and the maybe move to USA for a few years. Or do you seriously think Arsenal are ready to spunk that kind of money because he has resale value? Nonsense.

Fair deal for all. Arsenal get a good players and West Ham get a big a bag of money.

 

[Irwin99]

Well it's looking like 5 teams will qualify with the new format and we are in a good position as anyone not named Man City to claim 1 of them. So other than City in this country, why not?

I forgot about the new format, good point. Very soon from now though i would be pretty worried about Newcastle if you were a club with champions league aspirations. Us too if we become just another state sponsored oil club.

 

[Hammondo]

This is most likely bs in this case. It’s not like Arsenal are going to sell him. He will play the next decade at Arsenal and the maybe move to USA for a few years. Or do you seriously think Arsenal are ready to spunk that kind of money because he has resale value? Nonsense.

Fair deal for all. Arsenal get a good players and West Ham get a big a bag of money.

resell value will be very important to arsenal, Rice might flop and they might want to move him on.

 

[Daydreamer]

No, he isn't similar player. Enzo Fernandez is at different level compared to Rice with a completely different skillset.

Casemiro is few levels better than Rice, no, it's not a bigger financial hit as Rice is yet to prove he can play at Casemiro does.

And ofcourse it's a mental gymnastics, looks like for some reason Arsenal fans are embarrassed about the fee (Not sure why), so they came up with hypothetical scenarios. At no point there was a single report that ManUtd or Chelsea were ready to pay 100 million for Rice, all the reports that asking price is around 70-80 million, the fee that clubs didn't match. It was only from last season or just before that Rice's asking price was reported way higher.

Manutd were ready to pay 80 million for De Jong, paid 70 million for Casemiro, paid 80+ million for Antony. ManUtd were desperate for 2 midfielders and at no point there were ready to pay 110-120 million or even linked with Rice last summer. It was all De Jong, Rabiot and finally Casemiro. It's not like we didn't spend big money, we spent on Casemiro, Antony and even ready to pay the fee for De Jong (Maybe instead of Casemiro).

Just because we paid big fee for Pogba, Casemiro doesn't mean we would have paid for every midfielder out there. It's like saying you paid 70 million for Pepe, so you would have paid 70 million for any random right winger. No, it doesn't work like that.

I don't know why you'd think that I'm embarrassed about Arsenal spending money. I'm glad to see us securing our primary targets in key positions that need strengthening. Not embarrassed at all.

I don't think there's a great deal of evidence to suggest that Fernandez is a different level to Rice. Fernandez obviously had a fantastic WC... and that's about it. He's only played half a season in a top-tier league in his entire career. And it's a bit of a stretch to say they have "completely different skillsets".

Also, pointing out that Rice wasn't one of the players United were linked to last summer or stating your estimate of his price tag at various times is responding to a point no one was making. I (and @CannonBalls) aren't saying that United or Chelsea necessarily wanted to pay £110m for Rice. Or even that either were seriously interested in him at all. Just that it's a price that both could easily spend on him, so it makes sense of West Ham's demands.

Having said that, even in the long term, overpaying for Rice would probably still have been better than overpaying for Casemiro as you did. In three years time, Rice is certainly a better asset both on the pitch and on the balance sheet. And even at £110m, it would have been better spent on him than on Sancho / Anthony.

 

[GoonerBear]

I forgot about the new format, good point. Very soon from now though i would be pretty worried about Newcastle if you were a club with champions league aspirations. Us too if we become just another state sponsored oil club.

The competition is fierce, that's for sure. I think that's why we are trying to get our primary targets this summer, strike while the iron is hot as they say, and with more state clubs rising competition for top players will get worse.

At least UEFA are introducing the capped spending based on revenue over the next year or 2 to stop massive out of control splurges.

 

[roonster09]

I don't know why you'd think that I'm embarrassed about Arsenal spending money. I'm glad to see us securing our primary targets in key positions that need strengthening. Not embarrassed at all.

I don't think there's a great deal of evidence to suggest that Fernandez is a different level to Rice. Fernandez obviously had a fantastic WC... and that's about it. He's only played half a season in a top-tier league in his entire career. And it's a bit of a stretch to say they have "completely different skillsets".

Also, pointing out that Rice wasn't one of the players United were linked to last summer or stating your estimate of his price tag at various times is responding to a point no one was making. I (and @CannonBalls) aren't saying that United or Chelsea necessarily wanted to pay £110m for Rice. Or even that either were seriously interested in him at all. Just that it's a price that both could easily spend on him, so it makes sense of West Ham's demands.

Having said that, even in the long term, overpaying for Rice would probably still have been better than overpaying for Casemiro as you did. In three years time, Rice is certainly a better asset both on the pitch and on the balance sheet. And even at £110m, it would have been better spent on him than on Sancho / Anthony.

This is why I said you guys are embarrassed for some reason and looking at reasons to feel why 110 million is not a big money.

Go on and post about Coutinho, Hazard, Dembele and conclude why 110 million on Rice is a great business.

Also I didn't just mention about the price ManUtd were willing to pay, I mentioned the reported fee that West Ham were looking for, which was around 70-75 million, so it would have been stupid to spend 110-120 million when the reported fee was way less.

I don't know if you watched Enzo, it's so obvious that his skillset is completely different. He is an elite passer, something Rice isn't.

Not sure what the point you are making, for sure it wasn't the point other guy was making. This is the post.

I think had they sold him a year back they probably would have got 10m/20m more from ManUtd/Chelsea easily.

Even if they sold him last year, ManUtd or Chelsea wouldn't have signed him for 120 million. Like I already said, ManUtd were desperate for 2 CMs and we didn't pay what West Ham wanted or whatever the price they were looking for. I even doubt there was any serious links with Rice. This again points back to the other point I made, Arsenal fans for some weird reason started with these imaginary scenarios.

 

[Daydreamer]

This is most likely bs in this case. It’s not like Arsenal are going to sell him. He will play the next decade at Arsenal and the maybe move to USA for a few years. Or do you seriously think Arsenal are ready to spunk that kind of money because he has resale value? Nonsense.

Fair deal for all. Arsenal get a good players and West Ham get a big a bag of money.

I would be over the moon if that's the way things worked out. I'm a fan, I want us to excel on the pitch. Finances are merely the platform that enables that.

I was just pointing out that £70m on Casemiro is a bigger financial hit that £110m for Rice (even without considering wages). If Rice doesn't set the world alight, he'd still likely fetch a lot of money if we sold him in 3 years time as he enters his peak.

 

[Daydreamer]

This is why I said you guys are embarrassed for some reason and looking at reasons to feel why 110 million is not a big money.

Go on and post about Coutinho, Hazard, Dembele and conclude why 110 million on Rice is a great business.

Also I didn't just mention about the price ManUtd were willing to pay, I mentioned the reported fee that West Ham were looking for, which was around 70-75 million, so it would have been stupid to spend 110-120 million when the reported fee was way less.

I don't know if you watched Enzo, it's so obvious that his skillset is completely different. He is an elite passer, something Rice isn't.

No one has said that £110m (which is likely more than we'll pay - but let's go with it for argument's sake) is not "big money". Or that it's "great business". In fact, @CannonBalls said that he thought at £100m we'd be overpaying by £30m. Which I agree with. No one has expressed any embarrassment having to cough up to improve our squad. It's literally the opposite. You seem to be inventing viewpoints to disagree with and then labeling them as mental gymnastics.

I only brought up Anthony and Sancho as examples where you've overpaid for players recently to suggest that United may have been better off overpaying for Rice instead. And that, had you done so, it wouldn't have been this unimaginable event - it would have been fairly standard.

I don't know if you've watch Rice, but he has top quality long range passing. His short range passing is somewhat hamstrung by playing in a West Ham team managed by David Moyes. He's been excellent in that regard when playing for England and would find it much easier if the recipients of his passes were Zinchenko, Martinelli, Odegaard, Saka and Jesus.

Anyway, your posts seem to consist mainly of straw man arguments that have little to do with any of the points being made, so we can probably leave this here.

Have a good evening (if you're in the UK).

 

[roonster09]

No one has said that £110m (which is likely more than we'll pay - but let's go with it for argument's sake) is not "big money". Or that it's "great business". In fact, @CannonBalls said that he thought at £100m we'd be overpaying by £30m. Which I agree with. No one has expressed any embarrassment having to cough up to improve our squad. It's literally the opposite. You seem to be inventing viewpoints to disagree with and then labeling them as mental gymnastics.

I only brought up Anthony and Sancho as examples where you've overpaid for players recently to suggest that United may have been better off overpaying for Rice instead. And that, had you done so, it wouldn't have been this unimaginable event - it would have been fairly standard.

I don't know if you've watch Rice, but he has top quality long range passing. His short range passing is somewhat hamstrung by playing in a West Ham team managed by David Moyes. He's been excellent in that regard when playing for England and would find it much easier if the recipients of his passes were Zinchenko, Martinelli, Odegaard, Saka and Jesus.

Anyway, your posts seem to consist mainly of straw man arguments that have little to do with any of the points being made, so we can probably leave this here.

Have a good evening (if you're in the UK).

Ironic you calling any posts as strawman tbh and even more so when the points you made are pulled out of arse (or read imaginary) and then the points you made is different from what the other guy said.

It has nothing to do with "would have been better off overpaying for Rice". Maybe go back and re-read it.

I think had they sold him a year back they probably would have got 10m/20m more from ManUtd/Chelsea easily.

This is the post and it only makes sense if both clubs were desperate to sign Rice, which both weren't.

Also, Rice passing is nowhere near Enzo, playing the switches to wings doesn't make him an elite passer, just watch Enzo passing skills with his stronger and weaker feet, you will see how he is at different level compared to Rice. The guy is known for his amazing passing ability and some of the passes he pulls off is a joke.

Anyways, like I said I don't know why Arsenal fans keep coming up with bs imaginary scenarios instead of sticking to what really happened. Shame we sold James to Leeds for 30 million, could have got 90 million from Arsenal as this is the club that spent 72 million on Pepe.

 

[Daydreamer]

Ironic you calling any posts as strawman tbh and even more so when the points you made are pulled out of arse (or read imaginary) and then the points you made is different from what the other guy said.

It has nothing to do with "would have been better off overpaying for Rice". Maybe go back and re-read it.



This is the post and it only makes sense if both clubs were desperate to sign Rice, which both weren't.

Also, Rice passing is nowhere near Enzo, playing the switches to wings doesn't make him an elite passer, just watch Enzo passing skills with his stronger and weaker feet, you will see how he is at different level compared to Rice. The guy is known for his amazing passing ability and some of the passes he pulls off is a joke.

Anyways, like I said I don't know why Arsenal fans keep coming up with bs imaginary scenarios instead of sticking to what really happened. Shame we sold James to Leeds for 30 million, could have got 90 million from Arsenal as this is the club that spent 72 million on Pepe.

Aight, last one, cos we're going round in circles.

@CannonBalls believes that a year ago West Ham would have received offers from United and Chelsea that are £10m higher than the one they're reportedly receiving from Arsenal now. Seeing as:

• United have more money than Arsenal
• Chelsea have more money than Arsenal
• United frequently overpay for players
• Chelsea frequently overpay for players
• Chelsea paid £108m for a midfielder in Jan
• Rice would have had an extra year on his deal
• Rice is young, an England regular and club captain

That belief seemed reasonable to me. It's seemingly preposterous to you. That's cool, different opinions are the lifeblood of a forum.

I also think that overpaying for Rice would have been better than overpaying for Anthony / Sancho. That was my opinion (though I think it's a fairly solid one) and not @CannonBalls'. That's not me getting the points confused - that would be you. I clearly label it as my own opinion. It's even in it's own paragraph and everything.

Finally, we can agree to disagree on Enzo vs Rice. If we buy Rice it would be cool to re-visit this at the end of next season.

 

[roonster09]

Aight, last one, cos we're going round in circles.

@CannonBalls believes that a year ago West Ham would have received offers from United and Chelsea that are £10m higher than the one they're reportedly receiving from Arsenal now. Seeing as:

• United have more money than Arsenal
• Chelsea have more money than Arsenal
• United frequently overpay for players
• Chelsea frequently overpay for players
• Chelsea paid £108m for a midfielder in Jan
• Rice would have had an extra year on his deal
• Rice is young, an England regular and club captain

That belief seemed reasonable to me. It's seemingly preposterous to you. That's cool, different opinions are the lifeblood of a forum.

I also think that overpaying for Rice would have been better than overpaying for Anthony / Sancho. That was my opinion (though I think it's a fairly solid one) and not @CannonBalls'. That's not me getting the points confused - that would be you. I clearly label it as my own opinion. It's even in it's own paragraph and everything.

Finally, we can agree to disagree on Enzo vs Rice. If we buy Rice it would be cool to re-visit this at the end of next season.

And then what? If ManCity signed Rice they would have signed him for 30 million as they signed Rodri for around 60 million? Is that how it works?

The point itself is wrong as ManUtd and Chelsea weren't interested to break the bank for Rice. You guys just built a imaginary scenario and started patting your back for signing him for 10-20 million less than what ManUtd/Chelsea would have paid. Well done.

If the clubs were desperate they would have made big bids for the player, there is a reason why they didn't. Not because Rice is bad player, he is very good but because clubs weren't desperate, so much that they had to break the bank for what he offers.

 

[Dancfc]

I don't think there's a great deal of evidence to suggest that Fernandez is a different level to Rice. Fernandez obviously had a fantastic WC... and that's about it. He's only played half a season in a top-tier league in his entire career. And it's a bit of a stretch to say they have "completely different skillsets".

You couldn't find more contrasting CM's if you tried.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

A direct replacement for Xhaka seems like with the fee being mentioned. Arsenal needs to pay the EPL tax and also British tax of course.

 

[the_cliff]

Glad we stayed away, he's not worth the fee mentioned.

Caicedo on the other hand....

 

[MonsieurGooner]

The fact we are parting close to 100m for Rice, makes you wonder what it would take to prise Saka, Saliba, Martinelli or Odegaard away.

Around 12 months ago there was an anxious feeling around Saka and Martinelli, there was a lot of talk Liverpool were interested in both and given the contracts winding down, if either asked to leave we would have been forced. This was when Liverpool were neck and neck with City and they were considered miles ahead of the rest. There was a genuine window where Liverpool had an opportunity to sign both. Safe to say that window has been shut. As for Saliba, turns out Ten Hag was interested but another window shut.

There was always the sentiment Arsenal would not be able to hold onto these players. However Saka, Martinelli and Saliba have all signed on and Odegaard WILL be next. So the notion we will be raided is just false.

Were keeping our top players, and collecting new ones. People who say last season was a 'one off' and Arsenal 'peaked' are irrational. I believe we will be better this upcoming season, than we were the one just past.

 

[awop]

The fact we are parting close to 100m for Rice, makes you wonder what it would take to prise Saka, Saliba, Martinelli or Odegaard away.

Around 12 months ago there was an anxious feeling around Saka and Martinelli, there was a lot of talk Liverpool were interested in both and given the contracts winding down, if either asked to leave we would have been forced. This was when Liverpool were neck and neck with City and they were considered miles ahead of the rest. There was a genuine window where Liverpool had an opportunity to sign both. Safe to say that window has been shut. As for Saliba, turns out Ten Hag was interested but another window shut.

There was always the sentiment Arsenal would not be able to hold onto these players. However Saka, Martinelli and Saliba have all signed on and Odegaard WILL be next. So the notion we will be raided is just false.

Were keeping our top players, and collecting new ones. People who say last season was a 'one off' and Arsenal 'peaked' are irrational. I believe we will be better this upcoming season, than we were the one just past.

It's only June mate, keep your stamina for next season, you will have plenty of opportunities to post long paragraphs and poems about Arsenal.

 

[Isotope]

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There was always the sentiment Arsenal would not be able to hold onto these players. However Saka, Martinelli and Saliba have all signed on and Odegaard WILL be next. So the notion we will be raided is just false.

Were keeping our top players, and collecting new ones. People who say last season was a 'one off' and Arsenal 'peaked' are irrational. I believe we will be better this upcoming season, than we were the one just past.

They're still young players. Still plenty of time for that.

 

[MonsieurGooner]

They're still young players. Still plenty of time for that.

My point is, how much money would it take?

Why would we sell any of them, for less than what we are preparing to pay for Rice?

If a team bid 100m for Saka, we would likely laugh in their faces. And apparently Ten Hag has an interest in Saliba, what would we have billed you for a fee?

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

I would be over the moon if that's the way things worked out. I'm a fan, I want us to excel on the pitch. Finances are merely the platform that enables that.

I was just pointing out that £70m on Casemiro is a bigger financial hit that £110m for Rice (even without considering wages). If Rice doesn't set the world alight, he'd still likely fetch a lot of money if we sold him in 3 years time as he enters his peak.

If he doesn’t set the world alight then you’re fetching feck all for him, we would know, e.g Maguire, Sancho.

I think he would do well for you but not exactly elevating you to a new level, in fact, I would be surprised if he can replace the amount of goals you got from Xhaka this past season. You can of course argue that his defensive solidity will free up other attackers but Xhaka hardly prevented your forwards from doing their job, so improvements on that front would be minimal.

 

[Isotope]

My point is, how much money would it take?

Why would we sell any of them, for less than what we are preparing to pay for Rice?

If a team bid 100m for Saka, we would likely laugh in their faces. And apparently Ten Hag has an interest in Saliba, what would we have billed you for a fee?

A year left on contract would put down the price. Or even cheaper if they leave on free. That's when they're entering the peak age.

 

[GoonerBear]

If he doesn’t set the world alight then you’re fetching feck all for him, we would know, e.g Maguire, Sancho.

I think he would do well for you but not exactly elevating you to a new level, in fact, I would be surprised if he can replace the amount of goals you got from Xhaka this past season. You can of course argue that his defensive solidity will free up other attackers but Xhaka hardly prevented your forwards from doing their job, so improvements on that front would be minimal.

You might be right, howerver Rice got 4 goals in the league for a West Ham side that are defensive and rely on counter attacks, where he was restricted, in his role, while Xhaka got 7 goals in the league playing further forward in a more attacking system, and 2 of them were in the last game vs Wolves, so it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that Rice can step up and match Xhaka's output.

 

[Cassidy]

You might be right, howerver Rice got 4 goals in the league for a West Ham side that are defensive and rely on counter attacks, where he was restricted, in his role, while Xhaka got 7 goals in the league playing further forward in a more attacking system, and 2 of them were in the last game vs Wolves, so it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that Rice can step up and match Xhaka's output.

He’ll beat it

 

[CannonBalls]

It seems my post got things heated here, wasn't expecting that.
I think last year ManUtd did enquire about Rice and this is documented at many places that they made an offer of 100m which was rejected by Westham as they wanted much more than that.

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/man...er-battle-arsenal-chelsea/bltc65152883468666c

It they were willing to let him go last year with 3 years on contract, There is no way he would have choose Arsenal even if we had the money. And I am fairly certain he would have been costlier with 3 yrs on contract as against 2.
In any case I thought this is a foregone conclusion on this forum(everywhere) that teams get more money from ManUtd than others but I think its one of those that if other fans say that its not ok.

 

[gajender]

It seems my post got things heated here, wasn't expecting that.
I think last year ManUtd did enquire about Rice and this is documented at many places that they made an offer of 100m which was rejected by Westham as they wanted much more than that.

https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/man...er-battle-arsenal-chelsea/bltc65152883468666c

It they were willing to let him go last year with 3 years on contract, There is no way he would have choose Arsenal even if we had the money. And I am fairly certain he would have been costlier with 3 yrs on contract as against 2.
In any case I thought this is a foregone conclusion on this forum(everywhere) that teams get more money from ManUtd than others but I think its one of those that if other fans say that its not ok.

I rate Rice a Lot and had it not been For Casemiro would definitely have him here but you are scraping the barrel if you are relying on obscure sources to make your point about United Bid and you can not for certain say a specific Club would pay more than the other it's always case by case basis .

 

[CannonBalls]

I rate Rice a Lot and had it not been For Casemiro would definitely have him here but you are scraping the barrel if you are relying on obscure sources to make your point about United Bid and you can not for certain say a specific Club would pay more than the other it's always case by case basis .

Fair enough, was just an opinion some would agree some wouldn't. No problem with that.
In general don't think many would disagree that if the same player is wanted by both Arsenal/ManUtd. ManUtd offer would higher. I am pretty certain had you guys got FDJ instead last year you guys would have been willing to pay more than what arsenal is paying this year for rice.

 

[Judas]

In many ways it's a strange move from him after one solid season for Arsenal, but he's a great signing and he'll do very well there.

 

[Bebestation]

In many ways it's a strange move from him after one solid season for Arsenal, but he's a great signing and he'll do very well there.

Yeah, I’m a big fan of Rice but personally if he picks to join Arsenal then that says a lot about him in my opinion.

 

[Zagoon]

Yeah, I’m a big fan of Rice but personally if he picks to join Arsenal then that says a lot about him in my opinion.

I'm really interested to know this.

What does Rice choosing Arsenal say about him?

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

You might be right, howerver Rice got 4 goals in the league for a West Ham side that are defensive and rely on counter attacks, where he was restricted, in his role, while Xhaka got 7 goals in the league playing further forward in a more attacking system, and 2 of them were in the last game vs Wolves, so it's not beyond the realms of possiblity that Rice can step up and match Xhaka's output.

Xhaka got 7G/7A, Rice got 4G/2A.

And productivity doesn’t improve linearly, just look at Grealish at Villa vs City. Xhaka always had the odd screamer in him, anybody who’ve watched Rice knows that his final ball is crap, both shooting/passing, there’s nothing preventing him at West Ham from playing an accurate ball after those flashy drives upfield, but he all too often didn’t.

This seems like me talking down your incoming marquee signing, so feel free to scour my previous posts about Rice. I think offensively he’s a very limited footballer and never worth the money bandied about. You won’t get a colossal flop, but for 90, 100, 110m sterling, there must be half a dozen footballers playing elsewhere who can give you the same value if not more over the long term at half the price.

 

[The-Mezzala]

Was a big fan of Rice but when you consider Raboit , Le Fee, Gabri Veiga, are all available for less than half the fee and just as good. We need to spend big on striker and Keeper this summer. There are a lot of talented players on the market in midfield for good value