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We're talking about Baggio for feck sake but he is being reduced to passing it straight to Maradona whenever he gets it
Decades Draft Tournament : VP vs Isotope
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We're talking about Baggio for feck sake but he is being reduced to passing it straight to Maradona whenever he gets it
That is all Iso can ask for and a nightmare for VP!
Iso's entire defensive strategy then is: "Coluna, stop Scholes pinging balls". Easier said than done, but when people are supposed to be stopping the likes of Maradona, that's probably one of the easiest defensive jobs on the pitch.
When his manager has said Iniesta is central?
You need to read the thread and look at the team sheet.
I'm of the opinion that for a team to get the very best out of Maradona, he should be played as the main number ten with complementary players around him. I'm not sure this has happened, largely because of Baggio. Which players are you referring to in your last paragraph out of interest?
Not really, I don't see Coluna doing a job on Scholes at all.
Dunno why you are ignoring Socrates as well. Very strange.
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We're talking about Baggio for feck sake but he is being reduced to passing it straight to Maradona whenever he gets it
Well yeah, he's not needed in this team as pointed out earlier. But now that he's there, he needs to adapt to give the best player of all time what he wants. I've already listed the two possible scenarios, maybe I should repeat.
1. Baggio is in the middle and pushes Maradona to the right which doesn't make any difference to Maradona's impact.
2. Baggio gets pushed out wide, less probable, but if you really wanna sacrifice one of Maradona or Baggio, it is obvious it will be Baggio who needs to feck off.
In both scenarios, Maradona's play is unaffected.
You are underestimating him then. Even during his old age against us at Wembley he was running up and down the pitch winning balls back and starting attacks!
What?
Maradona will be unaffected by being pushed to the right?
Is that a serious comment. You want Maradona in the middle of the pitch dictating the whole game and getting on the ball as much as possible, not on the right ffs.
And Baggio's "natural tendency" is to occupy exactly the same areas of the pitch as Maradona.
So Baggio is playing inside right yet was/is placed inside left??
You're underestimating Scholes if you think he can be man marked and took out of the game by Coluna.
Teams have tried to press Scholes for years and it doesn't work.
Maradona should be on the right Fergus, he is unaffected there and it gets the best out of him
Yeah but there's a difference in have THE ideal setup and saying Maradona is wasted. As anto righly pointed out, he is seeing more of the ball then anyone else and given his skillset which lacks absolutely nothing in attacking play, he can fit in any setup. I've agreed that I wouldn't have picked Baggio at all and would have had a proper wide player, I did that when I had Maradona in the all time draft in the newbies by having two out and out wingers, but doing that will be great for players around Maradona, it will never matter on how Maradona plays himself, just like here it is Baggio who will suffer if he cannot adapt on the right, but Maradona can hurt a team from any part of the attacking third given he's a top dribbler and probably the best passer the sport has seen!
Maradona should be on the right Fergus, he is unaffected there and it gets the best out of him
So you think Maradona cannot handle the flank? He must be a shit dribbler and his ball control...pfft!
He's not being taken out, he's the reason VP will get goals as he will start counters for the two devastating wingers. They won't outscore or outplay Iso though.
Socrates is a passenger, I agree with Brwned. Classy player for a side like Brazil 82 taking the mickey out of the oppo, but in this sort of game I could see it all pass him by.
You are underrating Coluna there. The guy played five Champions League finals, won two (could have been four with subs allowed) and made the semis of a World Cup. He was the key midfield player for his side throughout. But no, he can't do a job on Paul Scholes.
That's not what I said, read it again slower.You said that Maradona doesn't lose anything by being played on the right flank which is the most mental thing I have ever read.
You said that Maradona doesn't lose anything by being played on the right flank which is the most mental thing I have ever read.
It doesn't, why do you think it will?
Gento won 6, so he must really be banging them in this game
Maradona should be on the right Fergus, he is unaffected there and it gets the best out of him
I remember when we were discussing the possibility of someone fitting Maradona, Pele and a couple others into a team and said maybe the person should put Maradona wide (to accommodate Pele, not a clearly lesser player like Baggio), and the suggestion was more or less mocked. "You have the best number ten of all time, but yeah, put him out wide on the wing" was the sarcastic response to it iirc.
Of course, doesn't surprise me tbh.
"Pele shouldn't play as a striker, he is so much more than a number 9!"
Anto gets Pele - plays him as a number 9
Maradona on the right is a collosal waste, you want him in the middle of the pitch on the ball as much as possible with the greatest number of passing options, shoving him out on the right is never going to get the best out of him.
I'm looking through the thread and can't see anyone who has said Maradona would be wasted (til Theons post just a second ago), please quote the relevant post. All I can see is you saying that Maradonas play would be unaffected, when it clearly would be IMO even if it is to a small extent.
You missed the bit where I pointed out he was the key midfielder for that side. The Real side had Di Stefano, Puskas, Kopa... they would have won as many with someone else filling Gento's boots. How did Spain do in the World Cups with Gento? They couldn't even qualify or crashed out in the group stages.
Err.. do you think he will be hugging the touchline waiting for Baggio or Coluna to give him the ball?
I agree that it reduces his passing options, but again, given him more room to take on defenders, you know, like he did when he scored the goal of the century in a WC QF? Even if I agree to that, it will still be a lot for VP to handle.
Of course, doesn't surprise me tbh.
"Pele shouldn't play as a striker, he is so much more than a number 9!"
Anto gets Pele - plays him as a number 9
That's where he had the most to contribute to my side. I had Laudrup and then Maradona through the middle, while my best striker was Thierry fecking Henry.
Theon in completely overlooking the facts shocker
Maradona on the right isnt going to get the best out of him, this is a not even debateable. You want him in the middle of the pitch on the ball as much as possible
Ok, continue your campaign, I was just pointing out that what you think you have read in this thread doesn't really exist and that your statement about Mardona being unaffected by the presence of another number ten was inaccurate, you've already admitted his passing options will be more limited.
Did Maradona start on the right in that qf vs England?
In a game where Iso is going to have the lion's share of possession I'm pretty sure there is enough room for Maradona to make an impact. Baggio never struck me as the prima donna type, I pretty much expect him to turn into a second striker and leave the playmaking to Diego for much of the game.
When Iso recovers after a VP attack Iniesta will be tied up at the back having just been helping out with the defensive effort so having Baggio and Maradona to start the counter is perfectly fine too.
Iso could do with adding a different type of player which avoids all this discussions though, that's very clear.
When Iso recovers after a VP attack Iniesta will be tied up at the back having just been helping out with the defensive effort so having Baggio and Maradona to start the counter is perfectly fine too.
Iso could do with adding a different type of player which avoids all this discussions though, that's very clear.
Except he is not as one dimensional as you are portraying him to be. He can easily destroy an opposition playing on the right, still see most of the ball on that side and has done plenty of times on big occasions!
That is not even an important debate, the bigger question who is handling him in the opposition? He effectively has a free role switch between central areas and the right at will and there's no one capable of taking care of that.
Jesus, I'm not portraying him as one dimensional at all.
I am saying playing him on the right is a waste of the player and how much he could contribute in the right set up
He had a free role. In the final he effectively played as a CM because he was being tightly marked and had no room, gave the winning assist! As I said, he has too much in his locker to be stopped by changing his position on the pitch!
Or making it clear what his tactics are, so far we've had you, gio, and aldo all make points about what tactics are needed to make this formation work, yet they seemed to be formed from your own minds rather than anything iso has actually indicated. We even have Aldo saying Baggio can play inside right and Iniesta left when Iso has placed Iniesta in the middle (and persevered with it) and Baggio as inside left!
And I am saying he will work fine in any setup. Simply because he has more in his locker than any other player that has played the game. He is the most complete attacking player in terms of pure attacking play. Passing, Vision, Creativity, Dribbling, Close Control, free kicks. You think you can curb all that just because he is playing as RAM and not CAM? Cmon!
How is Iniesta taking care of the left wing there
Have you even read the thread?
I suggested Iniesta goes left and Iso said he is central because..
That quote was for my altered formation, if things go tits up. I haven't changed it, and it's clear Iniesta tends to go left on the OP formation, like he regularly does in Barca system. I don't know why this simple thing is so hard for you to understand. It's fair if you prefer VP formation, but please don't go dumb on my formation, and pretend you don't see how it works, Theon.
Can see Ruud bagging a hatrick in this game, the service is too much and too easy down those flanks.
That's where he had the most to contribute to my side. I had Laudrup and then Maradona through the middle, while my best striker was Thierry fecking Henry.
Theon in completely overlooking the facts shocker
I'm pretty sure it was you that made the point, but you seem quite open to the idea now.
You're cracking up Aldo, where did I say that?!
I'm going to repeat what I said because you are getting confused - playing Maradona on the right will not get the best out of him compared with how much he could contribute in the right set up.
I still use the OP formation. In the OP formation, Iniesta can go left. You know, like he usually does for Barca?