Decades Chain Draft

Andrew Robertson

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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. Alonso
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. Carvajal
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. Pirri
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. Hazard
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. Viktor
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. Koulibaly
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. Lato

@GodShaveTheQueen
 
Surprised you didn't have Xabi in your plans. Thought he would have been a half decent Scholes replacement and was worried till your turn.
I though you were talking about him but I struck him down early on as Liverpool/Bayern. Fits a half decade solely at Real but, frankly, my gut doesn't rate that as Xabi at the peak of his powers (although it arguably is).

Again, I want to use big countries and clubs for proper marquee players or else just leave them spare. Doesn't make it a more competitive team, but certainly one I like better.
 
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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. Carvajal
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. Pirri
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. Hazard
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. Viktor
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. Koulibaly
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. Lato

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Start123456789101112
Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. Carvajal
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. PirriS. Jardine
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. Hazard
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. Viktor
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. Koulibaly
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. Lato


@Jim Beam
 
And he fecks up the table again, am done with this shit
I don't know what happens to my new notebook when I copy the table( it inserts a new role above), so, I must edit the table whenever I pick. Right now, I've already edited it( table) again for everyone.
 
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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. CarvajalJ. Masopust
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. PirriS. Jardine
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. Hazard
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. Viktor
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. Koulibaly
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. Lato

@Jim Beam
 
@Himannv it should be your turn in about 10 minutes.

Do people always do this? It's like dropping a baby on its head, just because, can't be arsed...
 
@Himannv it should be your turn in about 10 minutes.

Do people always do this? It's like dropping a baby on its head, just because, can't be arsed...

Not to this extent usually. This has been one of the slowest-moving drafts for ages, which is strange as we're not even in direct competition with that many others on any given pick. I've had my last several picks decided for days before I got to make them ffs! I guess it's just a combination of personal circumstances and people losing interest as they get left in the dust by the favourites here.
 
Not to this extent usually. This has been one of the slowest-moving drafts for ages, which is strange as we're not even in direct competition with that many others on any given pick. I've had my last several picks decided for days before I got to make them ffs! I guess it's just a combination of personal circumstances and people losing interest as they get left in the dust by the favourites here.
Yeah, the decade chain sort of winds up turning into a procession. The original chain draft with players acting as links between teams had greater scope for unpredictable developments.

There's no clear/tangible way you could turn it around either. That's where, for all its defficiencies, spoils of war reinforcements keep things wide open throughout.
 
Yeah, the decade chain sort of winds up turning into a procession. The original chain draft with players acting as links between teams had greater scope for unpredictable developments.

There's no clear/tangible way you could turn it around either. That's where, for all its defficiencies, spoils of war reinforcements keep things wide open throughout.

Aye, that first Chain Draft was great. Might be worth revisiting that again. I don't see an issue with reinstating the spoils of war idea for the occasional draft either. There's pretty much always a draft going on so it would freshen things up if nothing else.
 
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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. CarvajalJ. Masopust
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. PirriS. Jardine
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. HazardL. Mazurkiewicz
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. ViktorW. Zmuda
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. KoulibalyN. Goncalves
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. Lato

@crappycraperson
 
Picked shockingly late considering the draft dynamics
Risky as feck, particularly once Pirri went as he was my backup plan and my backup backup plan was the 20-23 guy. I'll probably pick him anyway as I would like the option of bringing him on at CM to close out games with two upfront (not that in-game management gets any attention).
 
You guys know why he is called Captain of Captains, right? Some players arrived at Peñarol having been captains at their previous team, some were captains of other NTs while playing with Tito as their club captain, even more graduated into captains for club and country after leaving the club. Can't start listing names in a draft, but Don Elías is an obvious one.

If they weren't leaders already, he made them so, but never ever, not even for a moment were any of them under any illusion that Tito wasn't The Boss. It's easy to lead when surrounded by sheep, now leading leaders... that's something entirely different.
 
I think i can pick now, as none that hasn't picked yet is around my 80-84 era.

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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. CarvajalJ. Masopust
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. PirriS. Jardine
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. HazardL. Mazurkiewicz
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. ViktorW. Zmuda
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. KoulibalyN. Goncalves
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. Muller
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. LatoI. Rush

@crappycraperson
 
So the bonus 12th round. Since I didn't update two players table (I was away but did post pictures), so it seems like i'm not eligible.

So go ahead then.
 
You guys know why he is called Captain of Captains, right? Some players arrived at Peñarol having been captains at their previous team, some were captains of other NTs while playing with Tito as their club captain, even more graduated into captains for club and country after leaving the club. Can't start listing names in a draft, but Don Elías is an obvious one.

If they weren't leaders already, he made them so, but never ever, not even for a moment were any of them under any illusion that Tito wasn't The Boss. It's easy to lead when surrounded by sheep, now leading leaders... that's something entirely different.

Nice bit of trivia.

Where do you rank him in the all time South American defensive midfielders list?

Zito/Clodoaldo/Goncalves/Cerezo/Dunga/Redondo/Mauro/Mascherano/Casemiro. Not sure if I should add Cambiasso and Someone in there as I consider them more defensive B2Bs.
 
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Mustard10-14L. MessiL. ModricV. VoroninP. JenningsR. RensenbrinkA. ChivadzeM. AmorosG. BuchwaldS. EffenbergH. LarssonMaicon
Michael95-99RonaldoA. NestaR. FerdinandB. SchweinsteigerJ. OblakJ. JohnstoneR. DzodzuashviliM. KempesI. GudeljR. GordilloA. Pele
Physio65-69PeleW. OverathT. CubillasM. BossisP. McGrathJ. ChilavertG. BatistutaG. ZambrottaM. SennaB. IvanovicA. Robertson
GSTQ65-69EusebioB. MooreR. KrolK. DalglishP. ElkjaerM. DesaillyF. CannavaroR. GiggsD. AlvesX. AlonsoM. Neuer
NM70-74J. CruyffD. PassarellaSocratesM. Preud'hommeP. VierchowoodB. LizarazuA. ShevchenkoM. EssienW. RooneyD. CarvajalJ. Masopust
General80-84M. PlatiniA. BrehmeH. StoichkovP. MaldiniG. SilvaR. CarvalhoE. CavaniV. Van DijkG. BanksJ. PirriS. Jardine
Beam75-79O. BlokhinG. ScireaM. van BastenM. LaudrupF. RedondoS. CañizaresN. VidićP. LahmN'Golo Kanté
Edgar15-19K. De BruyneB. CharltonC. AlbertoA. CabriniA. HansenKh ForsterD. SavicevicP. Again
Enigma10-14C. RonaldoD. GodinD. LawB. VogtsU. FillolM. TardelliR. BratsethA. CarboniRivaldo
Sjor75-79E. FigueroaK-H. RummeniggeR. GullitR. BaggioCafuP. VieiraP. ScholesP. CechS. RamosS. Marzolini
H-Man65-69G. BestG. FacchettiP. BreitnerZ. BoniekV. BezsonovRomarioD. BergkampR. AyalaC. MakeleleP. Reina
Big Dunk70-74F. BeckenbauerFalcaoJ. TiganaG. BergomiD. IrwinL. FigoS. CampbellD. VillaC. TevezE. HazardL. Mazurkiewicz
Gio80-84ZicoF. RijkaardJ. KohlerR. KeaneJ. ZanettiT. HenryD. SilvaK. BenzemaT. GemmellI. ViktorW. Zmuda
Lord S.70-74G. MullerA. SimonsenG. SounessA. DemyanenkoD. PetrescuM. Rui CostaO. CórdobaRonaldinhoV. KompanyK. KoulibalyN. Goncalves
Crappy65-69D. DzajicH. ChumpitazJ. NeeskensB. RobsonR. DasayevA. CostacurtaZ. ZidaneR. CarlosE. CambiassoT. MullerJuanFranM. Salah
Isotope85-89F. BaresiL. MatthäusL. ThuramP. NedvedA. ColeXaviG. OchoaA. ShesternyovC. DinuG. LatoI. Rush


@antohan @Lord SInister
 
Sorry, was asleep. Not sure I'm meant to pick, let alone ahead of @Isotope .

Thought we all agreed the rule was a bit of a nonsense. Don't think the odd table/photo going amiss has been an issue, more the skipping and table format feckups :lol:

I'll give it an hour for Iso to pick first, reckon he should and I certainly will.
 
Where do you rank him in the all time South American defensive midfielders list?

Zito/Clodoaldo/Goncalves/Cerezo/Dunga/Redondo/Mauro/Mascherano/Casemiro. Not sure if I should add Cambiasso and Someone in there as I consider them more defensive B2Bs.
I can see the Simeone exclusion, not Cambiasso when you have Redondo there.

I'm not a huge fan of ranking players. Think they are usually complete nonsense actually. Leaving aside the times players played in (tactics, conditioning, etc) the context is also very much relevant. That Peñarol side was best served with Tito. Redondo isn't the right fit, Zito would have done a suboptimal job, Dunga the most similar one.

For starters I'd split that into DMs with or without DLP capabilities, then whether you need to emphasise defence or playmaking, whether you are the dominant team or hand over the initiative... How much ground is there to cover all by yourself or as part of a more organised defensive unit?

I can see a reason I would resort to some of those over another in different contexts and situations, so how on earth do you rank that? Personally, I'd strike off most of that list and have 3, or maybe 4 at a push, as the bunch that would be the preferred go-to set / rotation options.

I would have Gonçalves in that three, yes. The guy oozed class. You watch the games against River or Real and it's man against boys. The extent to which he shines through as more confident, commanding and in control is absolutely insane considering you have people like Gento at the other end, bereft of ideas and looking like Nani having an off game.

If anyone is ever in any doubt of what imposing yourself on a game looks like, there's Exhibit 1, seeing as there's scant footage of the mythical exhibit to end all exhibits (Varela at Maracana, my grandfather was there, and at another 10 World Cups).
 
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