[SwedishFish]

Henderson should be Englands number one.

Pickford is having a hard time keeping his spot at Everton and Pope is lacking with his feet.

I think the change from DDG to Henderson might've come a little too late for it to happen for the euros though.

I don't think Southgate has it in him to make that kind of a change this close to the tournament and it will potentially cost them.

 

[CG1010]

GK is a position for which I think overall performance of the defensive is a factor as they can make defences look good/worse.

At the moment he has had a terrific defensive record in goal. With the exact same defensive unit which has been leaking goals all season. He has got me really hopeful about the future.

 

[Water Melon]

Henderson should be Englands number one.

Pickford is having a hard time keeping his spot at Everton and Pope is lacking with his feet.

I think the change from DDG to Henderson might've come a little too late for it to happen for the euros though.

I don't think Southgate has it in him to make that kind of a change this close to the tournament and it will potentially cost them.

Agreed.

 

[bosnian_red]

Really loving his confidence, assertiveness, clear communication and proactiveness. He'll never be as good of a shot stopper as de gea was or still is, but its the rest of his game. He's very loud and confident which you need. I feel like he could be better in the air at claiming high balls/crosses in traffic, but maybe size wise it'll never be a true strength for him (not a weakness, just not really a dominant part of his game either).

 

[izec]

Southgate will stick with Pickford this summer. Then i think it may be open after that, especially if Pickford plays badly for England as well. Currently, he is decent there while flopping for Everton mostly.

 

[The Stain]

Fans are hyping him up now, but the next mistake he makes, they will be the first ones asking him to be sold and calling him "overrated".

De Gea was a god in goal for us for years. From 2013 to 2018, he was top 3 in the world, and probably our only world class player in the squad for a while. People were actuall saying here "He deserves to go to a club where he can win trophies, wont blame him if he does". Ofcourse football is a game where recency bias is a huge thing. So all that is forgotten.

Henderson rn is not even close to peak De Gea. But Henderson is the better keeper on current form. He seems like a solid 8/10 keeper. Hope he keeps that up.

I rate this post 1/7. No 5/7 for you.

 

[Smores]

Better for us that he doesn't get picked to be honest, last thing we want is a howler occurring for england in a big game.

 

[saivet]

Henderson should be Englands number one.

Pickford is having a hard time keeping his spot at Everton and Pope is lacking with his feet.

I think the change from DDG to Henderson might've come a little too late for it to happen for the euros though.

I don't think Southgate has it in him to make that kind of a change this close to the tournament and it will potentially cost them.

Pickford has been injured recently to be fair and he has largely been good for England. I prefer Henderson, but he's only recently started playing regularly for us and I don't think switching keepers so close to the Euros is the right move. Provided he's our established no.1 next season, I think Southgate will give him and try and there's a good chance he could be starting at the World Cup next year.

 

[Alemar]

Pickford has been injured recently to be fair and he has largely been good for England. I prefer Henderson, but he's only recently started playing regularly for us and I don't think switching keepers so close to the Euros is the right move. Provided he's our established no.1 next season, I think Southgate will give him and try and there's a good chance he could be starting at the World Cup next year.

What is the problem to switch a keeper for a better one? He will play with together with Maguire and Shaw, so it’s in fact even better understanding with the defence

 

[The Urban Goose]

It's his time. Ole has managed the passing of the gloves from de Gea well I think.

Indeed, well done Ole on getting DDG's wife knocked up at exactly the right time

 

[Sylar]

He stops chances before they become chances as you want your keepers to do.
And hes very vocal which is great.

 

[saivet]

What is the problem to switch a keeper for a better one? He will play with together with Maguire and Shaw, so it’s in fact even better understanding with the defence

He's never played for England before and he's still young. Pickford for Everton has been shaken but he's been pretty reliable for England.

I think the timing of transitioning goalkeepers on the international stage is important. I think Southgate had his chance to use him and its too late now.

I don't think I'd want many player making their international debut starting at an international tournament.

 

[saivet]

 

[Adam-Utd]

Henderson should be Englands number one.

Pickford is having a hard time keeping his spot at Everton and Pope is lacking with his feet.

I think the change from DDG to Henderson might've come a little too late for it to happen for the euros though.

I don't think Southgate has it in him to make that kind of a change this close to the tournament and it will potentially cost them.

Shocked he went with Pope to be honest, maybe he just wanted to see what he had.

I think though he showed in the 2 games he just isn't up to it. Cost us the first goal and played a poor pass to stones for the 2nd goal also.

Considering Southgate said Smalling can't play for England because he's bad on the ball, surely the keeper is even worse?

 

[saivet]

Shocked he went with Pope to be honest, maybe he just wanted to see what he had.

I think though he showed in the 2 games he just isn't up to it. Cost us the first goal and played a poor pass to stones for the 2nd goal also.

Considering Southgate said Smalling can't play for England because he's bad on the ball, surely the keeper is even worse?

I agree with you about Pope, he really would worry me the most out of the three England keepers as he looks completely uncomfortable on the ball.

 

[Dante]

He still has two big things to work on:

• upper body strength when getting crowded on set pieces
• not parrying his saves back into danger

The first should happen naturally and appears to be getting better all the time. The second will be what makes or breaks him as one of the world's best, and is the thing that worries me the most when I watch him play.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I agree with you about Pope, he really would worry me the most out of the three England keepers as he looks completely uncomfortable on the ball.

Maybe it was nerves but he just looks slow and stiff, and even his kicking was crap. If he did what he did against Poland in a tournament he'd be absolutely crucified.

I suspect Pickford will be number 1 anyway as Southgate seems to love him, but Henderson is better than them all IMO.

 

[Born2Lose]

Respect to Ole for sticking with him too, would have been easy to drop him and return to De Gea after his return.

 

[DoomSlayer]

The determination and confidence in his eyes is so evident. I'm honestly desperate for him to succeed with us.

 

[KM]

Man that's some unreal confidence in himself.

 

[sullydnl]

Pretty much what you'd expect in a comparison between the two.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Respect to Ole for sticking with him too, would have been easy to drop him and return to De Gea after his return.

Ole gets a lot of stick, some of it warranted, some of it over the top, but the way in which he has made the big decisions swiftly is what has really separated him from his predecessors for me. Too often our previous managers were playing players on past reputations and not showing that real eye for when a replacement is needed. Ole has done a fantastic job at replacing players at the right time and he's showing that again with Hendo vs De Gea.

 

[Borys]

Pretty much what you'd expect in a comparison between the two.

Interesting, I've never seen that stat mentioned.

BTW he's also significantly better shot stopper than De Gea this season.

 

[Bebestation]

Fans are hyping him up now, but the next mistake he makes, they will be the first ones asking him to be sold and calling him "overrated".

De Gea was a god in goal for us for years. From 2013 to 2018, he was top 3 in the world, and probably our only world class player in the squad for a while. People were actuall saying here "He deserves to go to a club where he can win trophies, wont blame him if he does". Ofcourse football is a game where recency bias is a huge thing. So all that is forgotten.

Henderson rn is not even close to peak De Gea. But Henderson is the better keeper on current form. He seems like a solid 8/10 keeper. Hope he keeps that up.

When De Gea makes a mistake he is making a mistake during a time when keepers should be at their prime. However he is such a reflex specialist at how he plays the GK role that the older he is the less reflex he has to give.

Henderson on the other hand is still to reach his prime and should be expected to make some mistakes.

I'm not sure we hype him up either, it's more that relief in seeing the difference of a goalkeeper that can come forward and attempt to control his whole box than just controlling his goal line.

 

[DoomSlayer]

BTW he's also significantly better shot stopper than De Gea this season.

Thank you. We need more people stating that repeatedly for those that are not up to date and are probably still using Internet Explorer.

 

[Poborsky's hair]

He still has two big things to work on:

• upper body strength when getting crowded on set pieces
• not parrying his saves back into danger

The first should happen naturally and appears to be getting better all the time. The second will be what makes or breaks him as one of the world's best, and is the thing that worries me the most when I watch him play.

That I would agree with but I would add the concentration to react as quickly as possible after lenghty periods of game without doing anything. He seems to have good reactions but I think I seen him being caught a few times even for SHeffield in situations David would make save.

I also hope his mentality will stay up there and further improves as a sweeper keeper, not jsut because he´s got DDG behind his back waiting to get his spot back..

 

[Alemar]

He's never played for England before and he's still young.

during his matches for England the size of goal will be different or what? He is a goalkeeper, not an outfield player (who must get accustomed to the system)... In terms of pressure, obviously playing for United and having de Gea on the bench waiting for a mistake is significantly more serious than competing with a mediocre goalkeeper like Pickford

 

[saivet]

during his matches for England the size of goal will be different or what? He is a goalkeeper, not an outfield player (who must get accustomed to the system)... In terms of pressure, obviously playing for United and having de Gea on the bench waiting for a mistake is significantly more serious than competing with a mediocre goalkeeper like Pickford

I think starting for your country with no caps at an international tournament is more pressure than what he's had at United thus far. Even at United, Ole has eased him into the team and he's only starting for us now because DDG had a kid.

I'm sure he will get his chances and Southgate probably should have given him a chance already but I don't think switching keepers so close to an internationial tournament is sensible.

 

[WR10]

Pretty much what you'd expect in a comparison between the two.

That's it right there. Stats matching up subjective what we see in games. He is proactive in the box - stops accidents from happening. Smart lad

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Pretty much what you'd expect in a comparison between the two.

His last point about defending higher up the pitch is only half of the story. It also means that you can press the opposition higher up the pitch to win the ball in more dangerous attacking positions.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

On Henderson and England, Dean says that he’ll be England’s number 1 soon ‘one million percent’. I do wonder how this attitude fits with what Southgate wants from his players.

 

[sullydnl]

I actively want to make an argument for why we should opt for De Gea over Henderson and I can't. Even with that guy fairly pointing out that De Gea has improved his sweeping and is overly criticised when it comes to claiming, Henderson still beats him hands down stats-wise.

If De Gea was at his shot-stopping best then fine but he just isn't. And without that Henderson is just too well rounded.

Edit:

In response to someone asking what De Gea is currently better at:

 

[MyBloodIsRed]

No taking anything away from big Dave. He has been a fantastic servant of the club. But it's becoming clear that it is time for Dean to take the reins. We'll need to get a capable backup but you can see such a difference in how he helps the defence and they feel calmer knowing Deano is going to come and help. It won't be all on them for a breakaway or high ball in the box. DDG is an unreal shot stopper bu there is more to the game these days. Based on who is in our defence Deano is a better option.

I'm so proud of Ole for making big calls and managing the players. Many coaches would screw that up. He's been excellent and you can tell he's learned from the best (SAF)!

 

[Real Name]

Him coming of the line so far of the goal was both refreshing and strange to see cause you never see that from DDG.

 

[Alemar]

I actively want to make an argument for why we should opt for De Gea over Henderson and I can't. Even with that guy fairly pointing out that De Gea has improved his sweeping and is overly criticised when it comes to claiming, Henderson still beats him hands down stats-wise.

If De Gea was at his shot-stopping best then fine but he just isn't. And without that Henderson is just too well rounded.

Edit:

In response to someone asking what De Gea is currently better at:

How efficient is Dean saving penalties?

Edit: checked stats - Henderson faced 19 penalties in his career, 11 were scored (so 8 saved or went wide).

If we omit all penalties on youth level, then it is 14 penalties faced, 8 scored (so 6 saved or went wide).

In the top flight, he faced 5 penalties (4 at Sheffield, 1 at United in the EL), 3 were scored.

So apparently, penalties are one of his strengths

 

[tugger]

It will be interesting to see if Ole reverts to De Gea if Henderson makes a mistake or if he really sees Henderson as number 1 now. I don’t think we’ll know what the long term plan is until that happens.

 

[Adnan]

More detail contained in the above thread, for anyone that's interested.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Interesting, I've never seen that stat mentioned.

BTW he's also significantly better shot stopper than De Gea this season.

Based on number of shot saved or xG?

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Southgate will stick with Pickford this summer. Then i think it may be open after that, especially if Pickford plays badly for England as well. Currently, he is decent there while flopping for Everton mostly.

Henderson is clearly 3rd choice for England, and i think that’s fair.

I actually think Henderson and Pickford are similar keepers. Pickford Whilst ropey for Everton has not England down.

Is Henderson United’s no 1? Maybe, he’s the man in possession, but it’s still uncertain if he will be out no 1. I think he will be, but still a level of uncertainty.

There’s no chance of him starting for England at the Euros unless we have a couple of injuries. Next season if he starts for United, then we will see a transition for England.

 

[Borys]

Based on number of shot saved or xG?

Both. De Gea is pretty low this season on all possible stats (compared to average). Last time I checked he was bottom 5 GK (I don't think he played in EPL since then).