He was excellent today. He was also telling the players to push up when he had the ball and we were leading, which suggests he gets that inviting them on to us isn't good.
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Any reservations I had about Henderson vanished today. Easy choice next season now
Yeah, I liked his eagerness to influence play, all facets of it. Captain-like mentality.
Definitely his best game. He was commanding and confident.
I keep referring back to last season because that's literally all we had to go on until recently. There's not much else we can point to to decide whether he should displace De Gea. It's obviously not the best possible information but if it's all we have then it's better than nothing.
Plus you can still show good sweeping stats even at more defensive clubs, as Nick Pope has done this season for example. I wouldn't have said Burnley are exactly super progressive.
Regardless, he was doing things De Gea never did at Sheffield United anyway so that's not really the point of the comparison. More so that whether at Sheffield United or in his games for us (up to now at least) he simply hasn't looked a Neuer-type goalkeeper as the post I was responding to suggested he might be and the stats from last season reflect what my eyes are telling me. He's much more a De Gea style shot-stopper imo, just more rounded, and the stats happen to reflect my opinion so I'm using them to illustrate it.
And that isn't criticism of him either, as it also reflects the fact that his shot-stopping is better than a lot of people seem to think when they compare it unfavourably to De Gea's. People were framing it as a weakness when it's one of his strengths. Again both in terns of my opinion and reflected in those admittedly limited stats.
In terms of his actual weaknesses though, I still want to see more from him on set pieces. For someone so good at claiming the ball in open play he looks less assured in those situations.
It's all just my opinion though.
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Very good today and it's only fair to judge him after a run of games like every other player new to the team.
If I was to be hyper critical I would say that he should have went for Sons goal with his hands rather than foot as I think he had the time to do so but that is a bit harsh I guess.
I've always liked big Dave but I think Henderson is better all round.
If I was to be hyper critical I would say that he should have went for Sons goal with his hands rather than foot as I think he had the time to do so but that is a bit harsh I guess.
I've always liked big Dave but I think Henderson is better all round.
He saves with his feet
I repeat
He saves with his feet
I repeat
He saves with his feet
Said it in the match thread, I think he saves Mason's near post shot.
There is no reason why he cannot overtake Pickford if he keeps this up. He's still young , but that 'shakiness' is slowly disappearing
There is no reason why he cannot overtake Pickford if he keeps this up. He's still young , but that 'shakiness' is slowly disappearing
I have noticed that he is struggling big time when the ball is out wide, and also against parallel crosses moving across the box, both from corners, other set-pieces, and from open play. He is usually all over the place. It is like he struggles to decide whether to go for the ball, stay in the middle of goal, or follow the movement of the ball. It means he is usually in the wrong position whenever there's a touch, flick on, or attempt at goal. Being too further forward delays his reaction time, and I have also noticed that he stays quite close to the near post when the ball is wide, which means he can't cover the width of the goal in time when the cross goes to the far post.
If he just stayed on his line, he would have been in a better position to stop McGoldrick's second goal in that Sheffield game, as well as Iheanacho's second goal in the Leicester game. Even in the Brighton game, he was lucky Welbeck's header came low and straight at him, even though we conceded. I really can't remember him successfully making many saves from headed attempts so far.
He is probably trying to impress by looking to get into positions to claim most crosses, but I think he should relax a bit, stay on his line and come for the ball only when absolutely sure of getting to the it. If there's anyway I could get this to him, I would.
He was very good today, I must admit. Hoping he keeps the form.
Great decision by Ole.
A more well rounded goalkeeper that helps our defenders and I will let him let in some goals because he is more a traditional goalkeeper that should improve the more they age rather than De Gea who only relied on his reflexes which starting dying down due to ageing.
A more well rounded goalkeeper that helps our defenders and I will let him let in some goals because he is more a traditional goalkeeper that should improve the more they age rather than De Gea who only relied on his reflexes which starting dying down due to ageing.
DDG was the one being targeted from corners since the beginning of the season, it's just going to take a bit of time for Henderson to change the perception it's a valuable tactic against us
Good post. Again just want to clarify I’m not having a go at you and in fact your posts are much more considered than many on this forum. I just get a sense of hint of skepticism coming from your posts which you are trying to justify by looking at past stats. That’s entirely within your right and perhaps long term that will prove correct. I just feel he’s a very young keeper who has a unique opportunity at the top level here and his game may change very quickly in certain areas.
Proactive goalkeeper.
There was a bit early on where a ball went over Maguire and it looked like Moura(?) could be in but Henderson was out like a flash to clear it. Liked that. My mind was hard-wired to thinking Moura was in because De Gea would never venture out that far.
You're grand, I know you're not having a go and it's an entirely fair point. And tbf I am biased towards De Gea so I might be overly sceptical of Henderson as a result.
It also probably doesn't help that I found a random twitter account doing statistical analysis of goalkeepers just as Hendo became our #1.
I wanna see him making outstanding saves, like DeGea. All the other attributes are there, yet to see his reflexes and reach, like De Gea
I'm not sure if I think he's got the potential to be our long term keeper but I certainly have no doubts he should remain ahead of de Gea in the pecking order in the immediate future.
Has grown in confidence and I just love having a commanding keeper behind the defense. I celebrated his De Geaesque feet parry like Cavani's first goal (didn't celebrate second initially as I was afraid that it'll get disallowed again for some reason)
De Gea was/is a freak in this aspect. It's better to manage your expectation and to not expect Henderson to emulate this.
We've seen little but I don't think he has this in his locker in terms of reflexes, which is fine because you don't need to make 'oustanding' saves to stop the ball going into the back of the net.
Commanding performance today from him. I’m still somewhat reserved personally. There’s a difference between being a decent or even a good goalkeeper and being good enough to be Manchester United’s #1. Not yet sure if he’s from the very top bracket yet personally, but he’s doing well enough in his audition, and I’d like him to get next season as first choice at least to have a good look at him.
If anyone still isn't convinced about Henderson being our #1, today was a perfect example of why. Never mind the two saves. Those are saves that De Gea would make too. But the biggest thing is the two saves he didn't have to make. The two balls that were fed in behind our defense that Henderson was outside the 18 to clear away. Both of those balls would have resulted in a scoring chance for Tottenham, with one of them being a break away for Kane. Henderson snuffed out those chances by being quick off his line to help his defense. De Gea would have been glued to his goal line waiting for them to come in on their break aways...
Absolutely. You can impact games by taking away goal scoring chances, either through proper administration of your defense or being proactive off of the line to snuff out potential goal scoring opportunities.
I've noticed this as well. It's like a different version of Lindelof comes out every time Deano is in goal. His viking version.
Not going to compare him to the Great Dane ability wise, but he has that Schmeichel aura around him.
Henderson should be the number one irrespective if he has a few rocky performances, De Gea has forfeited being the level he once dismayed not having any physical / injury impairment meaning his decline is more mental than anything. Dean seems to just excel where David struggles and has the confidence to manage the backline.
Yeah, de Gea was unreal with his reflex saves. Like others have mentioned, de Gea's career trajectory is very similar to Casillas. Both came through at the highest level at a very young age for a goalkeeper. They also relied on prodigious reflexes and agility which naturally declined with age.
Henderson is capable of some very good saves as well, but will never match some of the saves we used to see from de Gea. His overall game is excellent, though, and easily surpasses the current incarnation of de Gea.
It is amazing what a difference Henderson has made to the defence. We can defend much higher now and if I feel much calmer, imagine how the defence feels. We might have the best back 5 unit in the league now.
And how Southgate can manage to keep out the young kid who took on and beat the great DDG to be starting Man United goalkeeper in favor of Pickford or Pope just baffles me.
And how Southgate can manage to keep out the young kid who took on and beat the great DDG to be starting Man United goalkeeper in favor of Pickford or Pope just baffles me.
I am excited about his potential and recent performances. Academy players Pogba, Henderson, Mason.. just super happy today
Aggression is contagious. It may someday bite him on the arse with this aggressive approach, but the benefit outweigh the high risks.
Yup same here. Was a pleasant surprise.
His shot saving will never be as good as De Gea at his peak cos DDG was simply unparalleled in that regard but rest of his game is excellent. Love the fact that we can afford to have a slightly higher line due to him sweeping up early.
I think it's only fair that he is given a chance given De Gea hasn't been at his best. Was excellent last night, his starting position and his willingness to come off the line early were very noticeable. Let's hope he proves to be good enough to cement that position.
The willingness to come off his line is huge. I hadn't really clocked it until yesterday but De Gea being unusually reticent (almost to the point that he never comes out of his box to meet the ball at all) has been having a huge, invisible effect on our defence. It effectively doubles the amount of space in behind our defensive line for strikers to run into. It's probably the reason why for a while our CBs have seemed slower playing for us than they did at their previous clubs or do at their next club, because the strikers have a much longer distance to make their pace advantage count. Maguire may be the perfect example of this.
The more you think about it, the more willingness to come out of the box and intervene and good judgement to get it right, are probably the most important qualities the keeper can have.
The more you think about it, the more willingness to come out of the box and intervene and good judgement to get it right, are probably the most important qualities the keeper can have.
Long may it continue.
He really is right about his speed, he's a rapid goalkeeper.
Top performance. Showed off his sweeper keeper abilities and made two good stops, even Jose praised the one he made from Kane at the near post which he thought was a certain goal.
Spurs fans saying that Dean should be England #1 after that performance says it all.
Spurs fans saying that Dean should be England #1 after that performance says it all.
Absolutely. I could not believe the speed at which he got up after the Kane save with his feet and ran into the net to do something (did not see if he went to dry his gloves or what). I was thinking wtf check the speed out on him.
Would love it if he continued sweeping like he did yesterday.
What a performance by Deano. Assured when dealing with crosses, commands his box and defenders well, super rapid off the line and sweeps it brilliantly. Long it may continue.
England number one in the Euros?
He won’t be, but he should be. Pickford is shite. Pope is a good keeper but can’t play football. Hendo mixes it up the best.
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