true and this shit situation is bringing down morale effecting players at a time when most are heading towards the end of their contract. Woody should step in and bring an end to Mourinho's misery
De Gea's future | Jose not confident but not worried about deal
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true and this shit situation is bringing down morale effecting players at a time when most are heading towards the end of their contract. Woody should step in and bring an end to Mourinho's misery
agree 100%
Mourinho is going to be poison for the remainder of this season
it is actually bittersweet when we win as it's going to prolong this season of one step forward, one step back
an interim manager with an attacking outlook and positive attitude could save our season
If he's available on a free for them, they'll snatch him right up. Besides if he's on a free they won't have to pay transfer fee which means they could offer him bigger signing bonus and higher wages. He would probably have to agree to somewhat of a pay cut but it wouldn't be that drastic to make him give up more than 20%.
Even Fellaini, yes Fellaini got what he wanted from the club. When the club is giving in to unreasonable demands from substandard players is it any surprise the very few class players we have are demanding more for their service? That's if the only problem is money.
There are only a few players at the club who I'd push to give the best contracts - De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, and Shaw. They are the future and the team should be built around these players. I really think Martial and Rashford would click as they age and with a more attacking minded manager.
There are only a few players at the club who I'd push to give the best contracts - De Gea, Pogba, Martial, Rashford, and Shaw. They are the future and the team should be built around these players. I really think Martial and Rashford would click as they age and with a more attacking minded manager.
Are you suggesting he’d have to have a pay cut at Juventus? I doubt it - this is a club that can afford Ronaldo’s wages..
In my opinion there's a tug of war between the manager and the CEO
On one side there's Mourinho who wants out. Many mention the 20m we would owe him if he leaves but I don't even think that's an issue to him. You see, managers are hired based on trust ie the club's faith in the new manager to step in, take over a squad worth millions, spend more millions to bring new players in and drive that squad to success. Mou must know that he had failed at United. Most of his signings were junk, the squad had regressed and those 3 measly cups won by him would make United supporters under SAF laugh at them let alone justify Mou's 400m spending. If he's able to leave before shit hits fan then he can create an element of doubt in the mind of potential employers. I mean, who would fire a manager mid season especially if that club has no great plans in place (ie top manager ready to take over etc)? Maybe Mou had a point after all and it wasn't his fault. That is exactly what Mou's banking on
On the other hand we've got Woody. The guy is naive about football matters but he isn't stupid either. He knows that he'll have to justify to the owners that he had fired a manager after previously extending his contract and is in no mood to take the blame all by himself. He's taking the stick knowing that the manager will either make it to top 4 achieving expectations or resign or get fired, taking at least part of the blame with him. What Woody is underestimating is the damage this circus act is causing. Martial and DDG were set to sign a new contract but they didn't. Meanwhile half the squad is heading towards the end of the contract. Should we try to keep those players knowing fully well that the next manager might not even consider them or should we just let them go?
In this particular moment, yes. But in 2020 who knows what could happen by then. They can afford Ronaldo's wages, but they had to get rid of Higuain's wages to do so. They're financially powerful, but not that powerful.
Oddly I think he'll resign. But it's a joke the approach we have to dealing with player contracts, and it's gone on far too long.
Dybala and Pjanic are juventus highest paid players and they're on roughly the equivalent of £230k a week. Even with a big signing bonus, they are not going to pay him more than those two. And that's only if sczescny and perin turn out to be a disaster and make the position a priority. Otherwise, it's highly unlikely they'd offer him even that
Cristiano ronaldo is a special, unique case.
Let me put it this way: Cristiano Ronaldo is the most famous athlete in the world, and one of the very best players ever.
Who the feck is De Gea?
That's the around same amount he's getting here at UTD if reports are to be believed. Besides with all due respect to Dybala and Pjanic they're not the best players in the world, like DDG is in his position, plus the fact he'd cost them nothing in transfer fee + anything can happen till 2020, they should have no trouble to offer him similar to what he has here + a sign on bonus. They break the bank for the best one's (Ronaldo, Higuain, Pjanic, Dybala) and DDG certainly fits that mould.
Pjanic and Dybala may not be the best at their positions, but they also play considerably more important positions and roles compared to De Gea. They don't break the bank for the best, they have a very rigid and tight wage structure. Cristiano is an exception, because he's Cristiano.
There's no way juventus rate de gea higher than they rate pjanic. Only if their current gk options -which they seem to like a lot- were to turn out to be a disaster would they even consider a significant outlay on a goalkeeper -and then at best they would put him on the max. At a stretch. Reports in italy about the possibility of de gea to juve have already rubbished the idea as juventus consider him too expensive in terms of wages/agent fees demands. De Gea wants to get paid, and juventus can't, nor want to pay him anywhere near what he's asking from United.
Right now, they're just not interested. But sure, things might be different in 2020
He's making around 10 million per year here and like it or not they've already broken their wage structure for Cristiano, why is it so hard for you to believe that they'll be able to offer him similar wages he's on right now, considering he'd join them on a free?
I mean I'm not saying they'd make him the best player in the world, but rather stating that if the opportunity presents itself they'll damn well do their best to sign him and will not have to dwell on his wages considering they won't pay any transfer fee.
Higuain was their best payed player and they seemed to like him a lot, until a better player came around in Cristiano, can see the same happening with their GK's if DDG chooses to join them.
I don't find it hard to believe they could offer him what he's on right now, i find it hard to believe that de gea would be happy with that, and that united won't offer him significantly more.
Their model is built around a tight, sustainable wage structure. And they won't break that structure for a goalkeeper.
Feels a bit like a pointless argument right now though, De Gea's contract runs out in 2020. The point i'm making is Juventus aren't interested in De Gea right now. Mendes is going around europe looking for a club he could use as leverage in negotiations with United, is what's happening
Well it depends on DDG's wishes and ambition, right?
If he has winning trophies to be his main motive, I must concur that Juve as it stands is much closer to that than us and he might as well choose to go there for less money than he would get here if he is to re-sign with us.
If he's got money as a deciding factor, than he'll opt to either stay here or maybe consider joining PSG.
Fwiw I'd love him to stay here, but then again if he wants to leave to win trophies I cannot hold it against him for he's been fantastic and an amazing servant.
Your all suggesting its about money, and the fact hes not signing up here, at the club who will pay him the most, suggests otherwse. Hes already a very wealthy man and maybe wants to go to a club thats virtually guaranteed winning the title, and in with a shout of going for the Champions League. When you are finished and look back at your career you focus on what you have won, the titles and cups, not how much you have been paid.
Another nail in the Utd coffin if he leaves.
I hope he stays but understand if if he wants to go,were a mess.
I hope he stays but understand if if he wants to go,were a mess.
The man has been a great servant for us. Let him leave to seal his status as the best goalkeeper in history of football.
I love the man, but he deserves better. I don't want him to be like Allen Iverson.
I love the man, but he deserves better. I don't want him to be like Allen Iverson.
He really should leave, we don’t deserve him.
I'll never get my head around the number of people actively wanting him to leave. Weird.
The concern was always that, despite being at one of the most successful clubs in the world, De Gea had a burning desire to someday play for Real Madrid, and that (similarly to Ronaldo) a move there was always inevitable.
Now the concern is simply that we've been shite for nearly 6 years and show no signs of challenging for the Premier League/Champions League at any point in the near future. He's liable to be keen to go to any number of potential suitors, including PSG and Juventus. None of us want him to leave, but it's hard to imagine him staying much longer. Summer sale the most likely outcome now imo.
Now the concern is simply that we've been shite for nearly 6 years and show no signs of challenging for the Premier League/Champions League at any point in the near future. He's liable to be keen to go to any number of potential suitors, including PSG and Juventus. None of us want him to leave, but it's hard to imagine him staying much longer. Summer sale the most likely outcome now imo.
DDG has bailed us out of the shit on so many occasions, I’ve lost count.
If anyone thinks for one second that we will replace him with someone who could save our arses so many times is obsolutely delusional.
We would have languished in mid table for the last 4 years had it not been for him.
What a mess.
If anyone thinks for one second that we will replace him with someone who could save our arses so many times is obsolutely delusional.
We would have languished in mid table for the last 4 years had it not been for him.
What a mess.
I can easily see DDG moving to PSG if Edurne wants to live in Paris.
Can't blame him though, she's a gorgeous babe, I wouldn't sack her.
Can't blame him though, she's a gorgeous babe, I wouldn't sack her.
Why not join the Belgian league and win that title as well?
Looks like he doesn't want to say anything for sure.
No hard feeling for me. Says or leaves I love him and will wish him good luck. Endured loads of shite seasons while he could have had 3 CL titls in his pocket now.
Yeah, because winning the Belgian League is just as exciting as winning a Ligue against Lyon, O.Marsella, Monaco, Toulouse, etc.
Yep. Some weirdos.
Nobody in their right mind would resent him moving but the lad just wants some head space and will probably sign up again. fecking knee jerking media victims.... oooh, he hasn’t signed up the day after renewal options ... no wonder these parasite journos still exist with their acolytes clinging on their every latest fantasy. Utter vermin.
Its probably better since David wouldn't be in a side that could win 19 out of 20 titles in France.
Nobody joins PSG to win a French title.
Ah, but that's the trick. They join hoping to win the ChL, but it's pretty clear by now that PSG will never win the ChL, since all their money isn't enough to buy the truly great players (Ibra was already in decline and Neymar had an early peak in 2010-2016 but that's about it, Cavani wasn't, isn't and will never be a Top Top Player like SAF used to say), I can easily see Mbappé moving to City or Madrid sooner than later. And money just can't change the mentality/ethos of a club (PSG has been midtable for most of its history...City, I'm looking at you)
As mentioned by other posters, If DDG wants to win the ChL, he should move to Juve ASAP. If he wants more money he can stay here at OT. He should only move to Paris for the glamour/lifestyle factor + plus Edurne happy.
Yep so called United fans who don't want good players at the club. Makes the mind boggle....
I want him to stay, and won't feel bad for him if he does stay, he's getting paid a fortune and no one will have a gun to his head, the people pitying a grown man deciding to stay at the club they support is really weird.
He's an Athletico Madrid fan.
None of the people here who is okay to see him leave doesn't want him to say.
It's the acceptance, the feeling of defeat that we don't deserve him if he wants to leave.
He’s always dealt with these situations with dignity no matter what his motive is. Even if he does want to leave, I’ve got nothing but respect for him.
Can’t force him to stay. Offer him whatever it takes but it’s hard to see how money will be enough. I think he gave us one last shot when Jose took over but we still don’t look anywhere near challenging for the top honours. Can’t see him being here next season tbh.
This has more or less been his response always. I don't think he publicly said anything even during the fax machine window. Good lad.
If our only world class player leaves we are in deep sh*t considering how he has saved us constantly throughout the last few seasons.
I would agree. Juve are not going to break the bank to get De Gea. They might still agree to give him a high salary as per GK standards, but he is not going to get CR7 level of stuff.Cristiano ronaldo is a special, unique case.
Let me put it this way: Cristiano Ronaldo is the most famous athlete in the world, and one of the very best players ever.
Who the feck is De Gea?
This kind of posts are doing my head in.
De Gea has my fullest blessing to leave. A player that World Class should be competing for top trophies.
He obviously won’t get that here with Mourinho in charge. I mean it’s jarring as hell to see us sitting TENTH in the table with no improvement in sight.
He obviously won’t get that here with Mourinho in charge. I mean it’s jarring as hell to see us sitting TENTH in the table with no improvement in sight.