De Gea's future | Jose not confident but not worried about deal

He won't push for a move but if we end in Europe League again and in need for rebuild again and Juve came with a cheeky bid, he'll leave.

My problem is I don't think we'll even replace him. We'll make Romero as main GK with Grant and Periera as the other 2 and Romero mistakes will get exposed more and more playing +40 matches a season.

I'm expecting the next summer to be a disaster and God help the upcoming manager. Feel sorry for him all honestly.
 
If I were as good as De Gea and I played in this current United team I'd consider leaving too, even being a fan. The prospect of looking back at my career and knowing I could have had a cabinet full of winners medals had I gone to a top club to compete at the highest level would be difficult to ignore. If there were signs we were progressing and not far off that level fair enough, but we're still absolutely nowhere near, and if anything it looks like we're regressing again. Even if we were to restructure and bring in the perfect manager, it'd likely take a few years to overhaul the squad and be in a position to challenge for major trophies. A footballer's career is short lived and they can't be expected to wait forever for us to get our act together. He's already been more than patient by staying here as long as he has. I'd be gutted to see him leave, but I'd also wish him all the best because he deserves the opportunity to win trophies.
 
This should be the easiest decision Ed has ever had to make.
1) Let him go for free, sign a replacement for a ridiculous fee plus ridiculous wages because that's what it will take to lure players here in our current state, or
2) Just give DDG what he wants in wages and be set for the next 5-6 years. Perhaps by then we'll be back on top and players will want to play for us again.
 
Watch how Juventus get a bargain again. Despise them match fixers. We finally think he is here to stay with Madrid signing Courtois and we will end up having a diabolical season. Jose is driving the club into the ground to prove his point. I agree the additions weren't enough yet the squads good enough for top 4. In an attempt to save his pride and make excuses for his failure he is destroying our season. Not only is he isolating the only World class outfield player we have in Pogba but his constant moaning/negative outdated tactics will result in DDG leaving. The worst part is I wouldnt blame him he deserves to win a UCL. Him and Pogba will be gone by summer if Jose is here. And even if Jose goes it will be after he destroys our season totally and even then Pogba/DDG will still go. Dont expect them to be playing in Europa league.
 
We as a team are not his level and that's the problem. He deserves some big honours and surely he likes to know where we are heading before making a decision.

In the end, he will sign.
 
Jojo <3 Mou said:

100% agree. Manchester United cannot rebuild or be restored to the way we were if we are losing our best players especially given our track record of replacing them.

We have a lot of man made problems. As good as Ed is with making money he has not done a poor job with recruiting, contracts and signings. Or are those all Mourinho's fault?

We are destroying ourselves from within. The conspiracy theorist in me is thinking that this must be sabotage, how else could you explain this incompetence?
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He is not worried because he doesn't affect him. He expects to go at the end of the season anyway at the latest.
 
peridigm said:
This should be the easiest decision Ed has ever had to make.
1) Let him go for free, sign a replacement for a ridiculous fee plus ridiculous wages because that's what it will take to lure players here in our current state, or
2) Just give DDG what he wants in wages and be set for the next 5-6 years. Perhaps by then we'll be back on top and players will want to play for us again.
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we should obviously do option 2 - you only need to look at how much Chelsea and Liverpool spent on inferior keepers to De Gea

the question is how much does De Gea want to stay - if he wants to stay he definitely won't leave us

the Glazers need to be prepared to sack Jose, get a DoF sorted paying compensation or whatever and invest in the squad - we need to be attractive to top players including Dave

this season is going to be even more frustrating than Moyes one where we were still in CL qualification contention until April
 
Patrick08 said:
We as a team are not his level and that's the problem. He deserves some big honours and surely he likes to know where we are heading before making a decision.
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In a playing sense this has been true since Fergie left but half the problem I have is with supporters who think the club is beneath certain players. PSG, Barca and Juventus are the only definites in club football when it comes to trophies. Football is and always has been cyclical. If he leaves he leaves but I wish people would stop with this "he's too good for us" nonsense. It's hard to read.
 
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neverdie said:
In a playing sense this has been true since Fergie left but half the problem I have is with supporters who think the club is beneath certain players. PSG, Barca and Juventus are the only definites in club football when it comes to trophies. Football is and always has been cyclical. If he leaves he leaves but I wish people would stop with this "he's too good for us" nonsense. It's hard to read.
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I do not mean he is too good for us, I mean he has rejected his hometown move for us, but we are not delivering trophies which every top player wants to win, and he ain't getting any younger. Surely he won't be as loyal to us like gerrard was for scousers without top honours.

He will surely wait till the clubs direction is clear.
 
neverdie said:
In a playing sense this has been true since Fergie left but half the problem I have is with supporters who think the club is beneath certain players. PSG, Barca and Juventus are the only definites in club football when it comes to trophies. Football is and always has been cyclical. If he leaves he leaves but I wish people would stop with this "he's too good for us" nonsense. It's hard to read.
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That's what Huddersfield fans say and all.
 
neverdie said:
In a playing sense this has been true since Fergie left but half the problem I have is with supporters who think the club is beneath certain players. PSG, Barca and Juventus are the only definites in club football when it comes to trophies. Football is and always has been cyclical. If he leaves he leaves but I wish people would stop with this "he's too good for us" nonsense. It's hard to read.
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We’re going to lose our two best players (DDG and Pogba) in the summer. Football is cyclical, and losing your best players means we’ll continue going through this shit cycle for the foreseeable future.
 
Patrick08 said:
I do not mean he is too good for us, I mean he has rejected his hometown move for us, but we are not delivering trophies which every top player wants to win, and he ain't getting any younger. Surely he won't be as loyal to us like gerrard was for scousers without top honours.

He will surely wait till the clubs direction is clear.
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The thing is, how feasible is Real for him? Doesn't seem likely. Courtois and Navas. Atletico couldn't afford him and can't guarentee trophies any more than us. Where does he go? Juve could work but will he be happy winning Serie A with such little competition? (ditto Ligue 1).

Spoony said:
That's what Huddersfield fans say and all.
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They probably do but Huddersfield aren't the most valuable sporting brand in the world. You can't reasonably expect them (or let's say a bottom 10 side) to all of a sudden start challenging for major honours. You can expect that here though because turnover and investment is amongst the best in the world. Maybe we've invested in wrong areas under a series of ideologically mishapen managers but wasn't it much the same in the 80s?
 
neverdie said:
In a playing sense this has been true since Fergie left but half the problem I have is with supporters who think the club is beneath certain players. PSG, Barca and Juventus are the only definites in club football when it comes to trophies. Football is and always has been cyclical. If he leaves he leaves but I wish people would stop with this "he's too good for us" nonsense. It's hard to read.
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They're not wrong in the sense. He's one of the top 3 best GKs in the world and we're a top 4 team at best. If I'm him and Juve come, I'll leave. No hard feeling in this.
 
And yet, when things were questioned back between 2010 - 2012, a lot of people, a lot of posters on here, smugly claimed, "Kneejerk reaction"

Now we're 10th, in danger of losing our best player for free and we all know he won't be replaced...

Seeds were planting back in January 2004 and now they're blossoming.

Kneejerk my f**king arse
 
Every contract negotiation is going to be a nightmare because we have let so many players contracts run down, their agents are now able to hold us to ransom, knowing that there is no risk of their player losing out. They will have to be offered a deal and if they don't like it they can go wherever they want for free.

We can't replace over a third of the squad in one go, agents know this. They also know we have agreed to pay Sanchez silly money. We have literally no cards to play other than to either give in to unreasonable demands or just hope players love the club so much they wont leave.

Either we are deliberately sabotaging the squad and team to save money, or we we have travelled past the point of incompetence with our foot on the accelerator.
 
This was coming. He's far too good for us. Totally understandable if he was to leave - only thing keeping him here is money if we're being honest. Will be gutted to see him leave but at the same time, it won't bother me as much as it would have a few years ago - I have such little vested interest in our squad of players today as opposed to teams of the past - we're in tatters already and losing De Gea in the grand scheme of things is nothing when we can't score for shit.
 
el3mel said:
They're not wrong in the sense. He's one of the top 3 best GKs in the world and we're a top 4 team at best. If I'm him and Juve come, I'll leave. No hard feeling in this.
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I agree that there won't be hard feelings if he leaves (he could have gone years ago and has stayed here thoughout some utter dross) but the tone some set in here ("he deserves a better team") can be cringey at times.
 
el3mel said:
He won't push for a move but if we end in Europe League again and in need for rebuild again and Juve came with a cheeky bid, he'll leave.

My problem is I don't think we'll even replace him. We'll make Romero as main GK with Grant and Periera as the other 2 and Romero mistakes will get exposed more and more playing +40 matches a season.

I'm expecting the next summer to be a disaster and God help the upcoming manager. Feel sorry for him all honestly.
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De Gea is highly rated only in England, in Italy is almost unknown and not considered as a top player

Juve have Scznzny and did not have any intention to replace him
 
::sonny:: said:
De Gea is highly rated only in England, in Italy is almost unknown and not considered as a top player

Juve have Scznzny and did not have any intention to replace him
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They don't need to rate him highly to favor him over someone like Szczesny. ( How could you write his name btw, needed to copy it from Google )
 
el3mel said:
They don't need to rate him highly to favor him over someone like Szczesny. ( How could you write his name btw, needed to copy it from Google )
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My Juve supporting friend thinks Szczesny is doing pretty well, but obviously knows DDG would be a huge upgrade. Apparently he's improved since his Arsenal days.
 
::sonny:: said:
De Gea is highly rated only in England, in Italy is almost unknown and not considered as a top player

Juve have Scznzny and did not have any intention to replace him
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That just tells me that the average football fan in Italy is an idiot!

Unfortunately, the Juventus decision makers aren't similar idiots to pass up on De Gea instead of Chezny. In fact, free transfers give them massive boners!
 
::sonny:: said:
De Gea is highly rated only in England, in Italy is almost unknown and not considered as a top player

Juve have Scznzny and did not have any intention to replace him
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Surely top clubs do know how good he's? Or are they ran by Italian versions of Glenn Hoddle/Souness?

After the other night I would say, to paraphrase Biggie Smalls: if you didn't know now you know, Juve.
 
buckooo1978 said:
we should obviously do option 2 - you only need to look at how much Chelsea and Liverpool spent on inferior keepers to De Gea

the question is how much does De Gea want to stay - if he wants to stay he definitely won't leave us

the Glazers need to be prepared to sack Jose, get a DoF sorted paying compensation or whatever and invest in the squad - we need to be attractive to top players including Dave

this season is going to be even more frustrating than Moyes one where we were still in CL qualification contention until April
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We'll probably not be mathematically out of top for until March or April but we're mentally out of it now.

I have no confidence in the Glazers wanting to spend to improve the squad as long as Jose is in charge. Last summer was a statement by them. Put up or shut up. Jose is not shutting up, so this should be his last season if he makes it the entire season. Granted, things could change, but as it is now, DDG is well within his rights to stall on signing anything until the summer. If I was any of United's players up for renewal or out of contract I would not sign anything until the summer.
 
Tbh I don’t really care if De Gea leaves. I mean, if he really wants to go, let him go. He’s been here long enough, and we’ve already done our bit of begging him to stay for long enough. It’s like half his time here has been us convincing him to stay.

He’s a goalkeeper. A very, very good one, but except maybe a national team, no side is unable to move on from the loss of a goalkeeper.
 
Red00012 said:
Jose said he’s not confident he’ll sign . I think the big thing here is whether it’s financial or whether he wants to win major trophies .
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Ah cheers bud, I thought David had said something bad.
 
Prometheus said:
Surely top clubs do know how good he's? Or are they ran by Italian versions of Glenn Hoddle/Souness?

After the other night I would say, to paraphrase Biggie Smalls: if you didn't know now you know, Juve.
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Scescny has been really good in Italy. REALLY good. And they have Perin as backup. They're not looking for a goalkeeper. De Gea on a free might interest them, but only if his wage demands are acceptable. Juventus aren't going to offer him anywhere near £250-300k a week. De Gea to juventus would only be possible if he's willing to leave a huge amount of money on the table.
 
Rozay said:
Tbh I don’t really care if De Gea leaves. I mean, if he really wants to go, let him go. He’s been here long enough, and we’ve already done our bit of begging him to stay for long enough. It’s like half his time here has been us convincing him to stay.

He’s a goalkeeper. A very, very good one, but except maybe a national team, no side is unable to move on from the loss of a goalkeeper.
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We haven't replaced many of the the top class players we have lost over this decade so forgive me for my concern regarding this position also.
 
Love the man, desperately want him to stay. Wouldn't begrudge him if he left though, we've had more years out of him than we probably should have given the state we've been in for the last 5 years. All the best to him. (please stay tho x)
 
Right now I've prepared myself to be heartbroken if he decides to leave us. :(
I still hope he wont leave us and become legend for United like Buffon for Juve.
 
noodlehair said:
Every contract negotiation is going to be a nightmare because we have let so many players contracts run down, their agents are now able to hold us to ransom, knowing that there is no risk of their player losing out. They will have to be offered a deal and if they don't like it they can go wherever they want for free.

We can't replace over a third of the squad in one go, agents know this. They also know we have agreed to pay Sanchez silly money. We have literally no cards to play other than to either give in to unreasonable demands or just hope players love the club so much they wont leave.

Either we are deliberately sabotaging the squad and team to save money, or we we have travelled past the point of incompetence with our foot on the accelerator.
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Completely agree. It's a shocking situation to be in. The biggest worry is how Mourinho speaks about "if the club wants to" as if it's an external third party. He is a senior management figure within the club. The most senior with football experience.

If others are making the decisions over squad building, then you wonder (and worry) who is making these decisions. It certainly doesn't seem that decisions are made collectively with all parties involved.

Jose has mentioned how important for the playing group players like Mata and Herrera are. Smalling is his first choice centre back. Yet, all 3 will be out of contract in 8 months with not even a whisper in the media of a renewal.

If the club doesn't implement a competent sustainable football management structure within the club in the very near future, the damage could take a decade or more to repair.
 
Never thought id see Utd fans say De Gea is too good for their club!! Its not that hes too good for ye rather,the other players you signed arent good enough for MuFc. We had the same problem for decades,signing players who were not up to the level expected at a club like Lfc. The last 5 years have been a shambles from ye. Keeping DDg is the least of your problems. If he goes it will only confirm what most other opposition fans see,a club on the decline. De Gea is world class,how many more can you say are even top 6 class.
 
The best way I can put De Gea is this. United beat us 3-0 and De Gea got Man of the Match.

If you lose De Gea, you are looking at Liverpool like limbo for the next decade at least.
 
Kharhaz said:
The best way I can put De Gea is this. United beat us 3-0 and De Gea got Man of the Match.

If you lose De Gea, you are looking at Liverpool like limbo for the next decade at least.
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So losing a keeper, who when his contract runs out will be 29, means we're going to be in limbo for the next decade at least? If we get another 2 years of service out of him we'll have had him nearly a decade, at 29 we'd have to replace him a few years down the line anyway. Not sure losing him is going to send us into obscurity.
 
AltiUn said:
So losing a keeper, who when his contract runs out will be 29, means we're going to be in limbo for the next decade at least? If we get another 2 years of service out of him we'll have had him nearly a decade, at 29 we'd have to replace him a few years down the line anyway. Not sure losing him is going to send us into obscurity.
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Losing a world class player and your team’s only one at that will hurt. If I were Dave I’d consider leaving. I can get an insane amount of money at another team and this rebuilding job will take a few years more.
 
I wonder how much of Mourinho's comments should be taken with a pinch of salt

he's on a self-destructive path since he didn't get his transfer targets and he seems to have a self-serving feck this place (United) attitude - he could easily have been having a dig at Woody and co
 
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