Was ironic mate !
De Gea Contract Situation
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Was ironic mate !
Yeah, The bit in bold is exactly how I see Sterling ending up. Though I'd say it's not just English players but young players in general in the Premier League. English players just tend to have inflated prices for their 'home grown' status.
Delusion I guess
We can't know for sure yet though, and it's a reasonable thing for De Gea to want in his contract imo. He's one of the best goalkeepers in the world, from his perspective it'd be a bad career move to sign a long-term contract with a club that is potentially declining. From our perspective we want to do anything we can to keep him, because he's great and we believe that after this season we'll be back in the CL as per usual. The logical compromise is a release clause dependent on the team's results.
Hopefully we'll find out soon either way
We've never put a release clause into a contract before and I don't think we'd do so now either. Maybe a gentleman's agreement to sell him for x amount should we fail to qualify, but tbh I don't see him signing the extension until it's clear whether we will qualify or not.
It's a moot point really because no one from the Mirror is ever going to have any kind of access to someone involved in those contract wranglings anyway. They don't even get the transfer targets right so forget about them knowing the finer details.
Mendez.
So you think Sterling can develop into a better player than De Gea? I can't see him ever becoming the best player in the world in his position, whereas I expect De Gea to reach that level in the not too distant future.
Sterling is going to be 2nd best outfield player in the world for 15 years? He's gonna beat all Messi record I see.
I'd start contacting Lloris' agent...
Don't understand this whole "He's a goalkeeper therefor he's worth less" opinion.
He's a goalkeeper, he's pretty much more important than any player on the pitch, have an average striker he can still score goals, or other members can chip in with goals.
Have a poor goalkeeper and you are up shit creek.
I would argue goalkeeper is the most specialised position on the field, making it one of the if not the most important.
He's a goalkeeper, he's pretty much more important than any player on the pitch, have an average striker he can still score goals, or other members can chip in with goals.
Have a poor goalkeeper and you are up shit creek.
I would argue goalkeeper is the most specialised position on the field, making it one of the if not the most important.
I mean price wise, obviously. He doesn't need to be more a more valuable player to be a 'more valuable player', if you know what I mean. In monetary football terms, Sterling's position is the most expensive, whilst DDG's is the least.
Will Sterling actually ever be worth £45m+? Who knows, but he potentially can be. It's not that huge a tag these days. If DDG's goes for £45m however, that's an astronomical amount for a keeper, considering only one keeper has ever gone for more than £20m, and none have in the last 14 years. Dave's already the 3rd most expensive goalie, at a mere £18m!
If I was a bookie, putting lower odds on Sterling going for a higher fee would be a no-brainer, regardless of their relative merits.
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We've never had young Spanish talent who are used to release clauses before either. In fact there were rumours that one of the reasons we couldn't sign Thiago 18 months ago was that he wanted the safety net of a release clause.
The clauses are a legal requirement in Spain but the valuations set are as much a contract negotiation issue as image rights or duration. A lower release clause opens up the possibility of renegotiating the contract early, higher release clause Vs better wages. A variable release clause that's dependant on issues like appearances or CL football reassures a player that they can get away if things go wrong.
As for gentleman's agreements, Suarez thought he had one of those. Mendes may have one over Falcao. The only way a player or agent would risk it is if they think they can enforce it some other way, by being too important to upset - Mendes is probably one of the few agents in the world who might actually have that power, but even he might not want to run the experiment.
Goalies rarely go for big money.
Here is a link to the to the 100 highest transfer fees paid. If you can't be arsed to look, there's 1 goalie on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_association_football_transfers
It's not an opinion, it's a well known, heavily evidenced fact.
I don't understand why actors are worth more than nurses, but that sadly doesn't change the very real status quo.
I don't understand why actors are worth more than nurses, but that sadly doesn't change the very real status quo.
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Sorry I thought you were talking in terms of talent.
It's an impossible comparison to make when talking about talent. You can make the comparison with outfield players, but it's pointless to do it with a goalkeeper and an outfield player.
I forgive you. Go in peace my child.
And here's a more concise list of the most expensive goalies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goalkeeper_(association_football)#Highest_fees
No club paid more than £7.8m for a keeper before this millennium. And only 3 did before this decade!
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Then how was Neuer voted the 3rd best player in the world last year? Was that not a comparison between him as a goalkeeper and the rest of the short listed outfielders?
Thank you. I promise it won't happen again.
Doesn't matter what player we're talking about, we've never done it and I'm absolutely sure we won't be starting now. I can't think of any Spanish PL players who have had release clauses in this country either. Arteta, David Silva, Azpilicueta, Bojan, Cazorla, Costa, Enrique, Fabregas, Mata, Herrera, Monreal, Moreno, Navas, Soldado etc
Unless it's for a comical amount like Messi's or Ronaldo's buy out, putting a release clause on De Gea is basically the same as putting him on a plane to Madrid.
So why sell him for any deal at all if we're getting nothing as special in return? With the money from the Adidas deal if he becomes the most expensive goalkeeper in history it's going to be a drop in the ocean compared to our revenue, to misuse a Fergie quote, there's no value for us in it.
I was always confident that De Gea will extend his contract with us, but after what LVG said yesterday, i am losing faith.
What did he say?
De Gea has 18 months left on his contract but Van Gaal would not reveal how talks are progressing with the 24-year-old over a new deal.
"I think that is a question between the player and the board of Manchester United," the United boss said when quizzed about progress of the negotiations.
When asked whether he feared losing De Gea to the 10-time European Champions, Van Gaal said: "Everything is possible in the world of football. We want to keep him."
If Madrid take Dave... I'm going to flip shit. What have we done to deserve this?
Signing fecking Moyes.
Signing fecking Moyes.
LvG gives nothing away, I wouldn't worry about those comments, just standard non committal answers that managers give.
Changed it to no after Van Gaals less than convincing quotes at the pres conference.
The club is in talks over a new contract. Louis will be under strict orders not to talk him up. "He's the best goalkeeper in the world, of course we are going to keep him" would just add to Mendes' negotiating power.
If he leaves, we'll sign another good GK and get on with it. People acting like it will be the end of the world, we have lost far better players in the past. Maybe it's time for us to reconsider our transfer policy and focus on players that are not of Iberian and South American origin. Keeping De Gea will also say a lot about whether Manchester United have the ability to keep their best players. It should be a thing of pride for the club because selling a player you'd like to keep is the definition of a selling club.
In an ideal world I wouldn't want the club to touch the players that want to play for Real/Barca ahead of us, but the top players tend to be of Latin origins and they more or less grow up dreaming to play for these clubs or want to enjoy the lifestyles that playing for these clubs provide them. I'd rather have a Ronaldo/De Gea for 3 years and lose him to Real for a profit than not have him at all.
We better keep him, despite commercially being up there with barcelona and mardrid, it seems we`re pretty behind on the football field, you wouldnt see us ever taking de gea if he was at madrid
The best players from the biggest clubs just dont go to other big teams(apart from some barca and real players 10-20 yrs ago )
The best players from the biggest clubs just dont go to other big teams(apart from some barca and real players 10-20 yrs ago )
I think he already knows his clients worth and how much we value him. Its not like Mendes is going to print out a quote on A3 and storm into negotiations screaming got ya now Woody boy.
I think he just has little say on the matter so gave the simple facts, doesn't really mean anything at all. I'm sure his rear is twitching away at the thought of not having DDG to bail him out though.
So, what shirt number do you reckon he'll be given when he joins Madrid in the summer?
Was that your plan this morning? Log onto redcafe and WUM in every thread in the United forum?What else do you think he is doing since he joined this site?
Are you not more interested in what shirt number the mighty Danny Ings is going to get?
We've been negotiating for a while now and Van Gaal has been avoiding building him up in post match interviews even when he's saved our ass numerous times. When he's signed his 5/6 year contract, Van Gaal will build him up to be on top of the world.
It doesn't matter what you're negotiating for, you always play a cool hand.
Not if you're confident of him signing the contract or if the deal is close to being done.
If Madrid had a top young talent in their squad who was from Manchester and whose contract was running down, I bet you'd be in for him.
I suggest you wind your neck in the United forum before it disappears from your screen.
If dont think we would have gotten a young Cassilas and being voted Fans player of the year, regardless of where he was from, Madrid would never sell
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