Oh well, I for one hope Barca wins La Liga for the next 10 years and that he has a shaky start in Madrid. He'll be a loss no doubt but we will get new players in and most probably be stronger in other positions next season. Just don't know who should replace him though.
De Gea Contract Situation
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Yeah sure. But we also had intelligent and knowledgeable people at the club when we spent years struggling to get a decent keeper before van der sar.
But yes if valdes looks like he's retuning to his old level then it's a no brainer to go with him. Would save us a transfer fee too.
Him plus 15 million for bale would do just fine.
First Ronaldo and now De Gea. It's time to change our transfer policy a bit. We should invest in British players instead of seeking long term investments on young Latin players. Most have Barca and Real as their favourite club and are most likely to leave for them once they develop reaping no long term reward to us.
Why is every player no matter of position compared to Messi. And helped us massively in getting a fourth spot this season despite all his so called many weak points.
To an extent. The British players aren't as good so we can't end up with an inferior team.
Whilst Casillas is still around at Real it's not a given he would even be first choice there. I don't think De Gea is moving there for the money because we would give him a lucrative deal here but I also don't think he's moving there for football reasons.
The difference is that, Valdes is in the club, it's easier to judge someone who trains everyday with you, and like I already said when you sign Goalkeepers like Bosnish, Taibi or Howard you are incompetent, Barthez was a mistake because of his characteristics.
Valdes will get slaughtered in the Premier League, especially on corners and aerial situations. Have you seen his height to begin with? When was the last time a goalie who's only 6'0" tall led his team to the PL title?
This is why I don't get the Barca hate on here.
Just can't stand Real Madrid and if one club in football that I'd love to collapse it would be them and their spoilt fans.
He can sod off to Madrid where the fans will whistle and jeer his every mistake, basically the opposite of the unwavering support he got when he was shite in his first season with us. Let's get a keeper in who doesn't look like a skinny, flappy twat every time a corner comes in.
If he makes those mistakes there he won't last a third of a season.
Technically yes but there are player eg Bale who we should've got quite early if we wanted.
I think I should've just wrote avoid young Latin players and shouldn't have mentioned British.
It isn't my ego. It's the image of Manchester United. It's about making players think twice about using us as a stepping stone and realising that the club is far bigger than they are. I find the idea of playing a guy who clearly wants to be elsewhere a lot more stupid than making him sit on the bench.
Also, it is the simple equation of strengthening a rival when we don't have to. What happens if we meet Real Madrid in the quarter final of the Champions League next year and his saves make the difference in the game?
We all read the brilliant article about Mendes/Kenyon and the power they have in football. You can console yourself with the idea that you're being the bigger man on some moral high ground but the reality at the top is, this idea of selling of players before their contracts are up because the money benefits the club is a myth, perpetuated by the agents who actually benefit from such deals.
Such as?
Of course he's at the club and it's an easier situating to assess, but in house assessment doesn't guarantee results.
What about lindergard? Is he expected to leave?
Yes that's a great way. By threatening them with such ridiculous action and hence scaring off any other players from wanting to join our lovely little footballer prison.
The only way to keep these players is to better ourselves and hence as a result become a more attractive proportion.
De Gea and United are in contract negotiations. If van Gaal states publicly that we can afford to lose de Gea because we have a replacement in mind, that makes United's position stronger. Whether de Gea actually wants to move or is just negotiating the best deal for himself at United with the help of his agent is known to only two people: de Gea and his agent. Everything else is smoke and mirrors - negotiating tactics.
But in that case, why doesn't he return to Atletico? Hell he could go back there as a personal decision with even my blessing.
There are very few of that level though. If the British player is good enough then yes I agree, but to simply refuse to sigh the most talented players on the planet seems silly to me.
Yeap. Remember when latin players never came to us? I don't know if we'd still be able to compete if we stick to that policy but about the only success stories we've had with them is Ronaldo, and both Heinze and Nani to a certain degree. Its time we got our identity back.
Madrid born player with a pop star girlfriend. We were kidding ourselves if we never expected this to happen.
A prison??? He's getting paid tens of thousands of pounds a week man. Pull your head in.
Valdes and Lindegaard sat on the bench for large portions of the season without anyone complaining of "ridiculous action". A club has an obligation to pick the starting XI most beneficial to the club. Desire to represent the club is as important as talent in that selection.
The type of player who will be scared off by the thought of being held accountable by the fixed term contract he is signing, is not the type of player we should be looking at. Nobody is advocating that he be locked in a basement for the next 30 years. Just that he adheres to the extremely lucrative contract he himself signed in good faith. I'm shocked at how little faith some of you place in both contracts, and our club.
Was hoping he would stay for a few more years. The most annoying thing in all this is the fee we're likely to get for him.
I agree with this. We need to start identifying young British players and making sure they develop to be proper good players. Easier said than done.
Barthez was known to be very weak with crosses and he was error prone, he was small, not powerful and not very good at catching the ball. But he had great reflexes, he was fast on the line and had a good distribution.
Out of interest, what comments would you have liked him to make?
Not really. This only seems to happen us.
Chelsea or Man City have never been forced into selling their top players to those clubs.
That I don't know. You would've thought so given that he's supposed to be an Atletico fan and reading comments from Fernando Torres on links with Real Madrid many years ago he pretty much said he would never move there.
Good point. I wonder why that is so.
Okay then.We aren't going to do it. If you want to live in la la land feel free to do so. We aren't going to make one of the best goalkeepers around sit in the reserves. That's not "accountability to a fixed contract", it's called being a cnut. We can't afford to be such big cnuts given we want to attract top players in the future and not miss out on the next Messi and Neymar because we have a pole up our backsides that makes us put top players on the bench out of selfish and authoritarian reasons.
Like I said, you can wish for it, but the club won't do it and you should probably look into why.
Valdes will be an unmitigated disaster.
This I do find strange. His desire to go to Real Madrid suggests that atletico isn't very close to his heart which I thought would have been the case.
Not sure Madrid would go for that. That would potentially steal their thunder. Bale coming here would be the headline.
If de Gea is this years 'Galactico' (and it appears that he is) it's almost in Madrid interest to cave in and spend big. They like spending big almost as much as saving money, by the looks of it. de Gea being signed for £35 million is as good for brand Madrid as de Gea signed for £17 million.
Plus, every scenario and tactic we talk about on here, Woodward and co. will be well aware of. I still think we can squeeze a good fee out of this deal, if it happens. Maybe I'm being optimistic though.
For Chelsea, it's London and very strong leaders in the locker room and for City it's due to money and the fact that no one want their players.
Im sure we would have done equally well if instead of ronaldo and ddg we had lallana and butland
Well we did try to be honest with cleverley, smalling, young, duncan edwards mark II, zaha etc. we ended 7th in the league. To be fair real showed no interest jn them
Chelsea haven't really had a genuine 'Galactico', to be honest. Hazard's getting there, and when they come calling, he'll be off for a good £60-70 million.
As for City: no idea. I don't know if they've even tried for Aguero and Silva.
They just seem to tie down their players really fast.
I do think we been unlucky in the two cases though. De Gea, who was Madrid born and Ronaldo, whose ambition was to play for them.
I do think we need to start showing our financial muscle though. One of the reasons, I am guessing Madrid try to avoid doing business with sugar daddy clubs is because they scared that club might start tapping up their players and offering silly money for them to join. I remember the PSG owner saying something like that when Barca were linked with Marquinhos.
We aren't going to do it. If you want to live in la la land feel free to do so. We aren't going to make one of the best goalkeepers around sit in the reserves. That's not "accountability to a fixed contract", it's called being a cnut. We can't afford to be such big cnuts given we want to attract top players in the future and not miss out on the next Messi and Neymar because we have a pole up our backsides that makes us put top players on the bench out of selfish and authoritarian reasons.
Like I said, you can wish for it, but the club won't do it and you should probably look into why.
A laughing man smiley. The last resort of an internet village idiot with a weak argument.
I'm shocked that you think Manchester United will be unable to attract top players in the future because they made one young goalkeeper honour his own contract. You should have more faith in this club. The great characters of this clubs history would be more likely to criticise the player who wants to leave than judge the club poorly in such a situation.
When was the last time we signed "the next Neymar or Messi"? How have all these wonderful South Americans performed when they've arrived at Manchester United? We signed Cristiano Ronaldo, raised him and coached him into one of the worlds greatest players only for him to leave and spend his peak years at another club. We spent the money we received for him on Antonio Valencia.
There are plenty of brilliant players available at home or nearby, in France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Italy and in Eastern Europe who have wonderful careers without needing to fulfill this strange fetish of joining that circus in Madrid. We've had a more than successful history without pandering to Spanish and South American passersby and we'll be successful again, with or without them.
The club isn't infallible when it comes to the power of players and agents in the modern game. Just because they don't take the action they should, doesn't mean it's the wrong action.
If we respond to a player wanting to move to a different club by depriving him of football for the remainder of his contract with the intention of making him a worse player when he does move, then I see no reason other top players will want to move here.
Out of all the outcomes possible I think this is the worst one and has absolutely no chance of happening. I think there is a one in a million chance of the club making him see out his contract but even then I would think both parties would act professionally and DDG will play for us next season. But to waste around about 25 million just to keep him on the bench makes zero sense financially as well as of course the bad PR it would get us. Contrary to what a lot of people believe, 25mn is not peanuts to United.
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