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De Gea Contract Situation
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I meant clubs its early just leave me alone
I don't blame DDG TBH. The gap in terms of quality is evident. We're happy with 4th place while Real has a squad to seriously compete on all three fronts.
What I don't understand is the likes of Ronaldo or Kroos. Why move from a top club to Real? Ok they have won more than others but that is due to fascism. They are not the top payers anymore (Chelsea and PSG can pay more salary) or the best team (Barcelona and Bayern are). Not to forget that their attitude sucks and that is felt from the top levels (directors) to their fans.
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God what a fecking shit day it already is.
Yes, if it were Arsenal or Liverpool, he wouldn't allow it to happen but since he's got a soft spot for Utd, who knows ?
Yep captain Scouse (grow up) who is set to become our clubs all time leading goal scorer and due a testimonial vs a GK who has given us 1 great season then is off at the first chance of a move. Not sure why you are bringing Rooney into it but great comparison for feck sake leave Rooney alone.
Most players would leave and use the situation to benefit themselves and rightly so. Not sure why you think players would want to benefit the clubs (it is a short career) players look after themselves and rightly so.
Maybe DDG has an unofficial already an agreement with Real Madrid that if he doesn't sign an extension, they'll increase his wages by a big margin or something like that.
Yet again somebody who thinks that the club deliberately left it until now to start negotiations. Discussing a new contract isn't a matter of days or weeks. It can take months. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, what Woodward is doing or what negotiations have taken place. For all we know, the contract offer has been on the table for months. Has it ever occurred to you that De Gea simply refused to sign a new contract? As for wages, I highly doubt it's to do with how much money we're offering him. If he moves to Madrid it'll be for personal reasons. Honestly, how can anybody blame him for wanting to move back to his hometown where his closest friends, family and girlfriend (with whom he probably wants to start a family with) live? Some things are just bigger than football.
There is no obligation on De Gea to sign a new contract just so we can get a bigger fee. Did we say anything when RVP refused to sign a new contract with Arsenal and signed for us on a relatively low fee? If he moves to Madrid for a cheap fee, it means he'll get a higher signing on bonus and probably higher wages as well so it's in his favour not to sign a new contract, regardless of whatever people think about it being 'the right thing to do'. Not to mention if he signs a new contract, he's jeopardising his move to Madrid as they might suddenly decide to look elsewhere for cheaper options.
As for those complaining about him developing at United, us sticking by him when he was crap, only for him to feck off to Madrid- that is how it is for football fans all around the world aside from fans of a handful of clubs. We do it to other clubs as well. Southampton, Athletic Bilbao? At least we have the benefit of having money to throw at almost any other keeper to replace De Gea, which can't be said for a lot of clubs whose best players are poached from them regularly.
Have I said anything that you disagree with?
Something worth considering is that the goalkeeper position has historically been a very unsettled one under Van Gaal and Frans Hoek, especially once he gets settled into a club and starts exerting his influence. The situations might be different but there is consistent theme with incumbent goalkeepers when they enter their second season under Louis.
Ajax -
Stanley Menzo won the league, the UEFA Cup and the Cup Winner's Cup under Leo Beenhakker when Louis was the assistant manager. Replaced by a 21 year old Edwin Van der Sar in Van Gaal's second year incharge.
Barcelona -
Vitor Baia was considered to be one of the best keepers in La Liga, and the likes of Casillas or Valdes consider him to be their idol. But after some knee injury problems in Van Gaal's first year incharge, he fell out with the manager on a personal level; and was dropped permanently for Ruud Hesp, before subsequently being loaned out to Porto where he later won the European Cup under Mourinho.
Alkmaar -
The first team goalkeeper duties were alternated between Sergio Romero and Boy Waterman.
Bayern Munich -
Hans-Jorg Butt was the incumbent starter - a very experienced goalkeeper with 350+ appearances for the likes of Hamburg and Leverkusen, and Rensing was the second choice. Ultimately in the second year Van Gaal started Tomas Kraft, the third choice who was quite erratic at times and unsettled the defense. The decision was not warmly supported by Bayern's board and played a big part in getting him fired. Was apparently opposed to the idea of signing Manuel Neuer at first too.
A bit tinfoil hat-ish, but I hope this hasn't played a negative part in the rumors surrounding De Gea's departure, who I still refuse to believe is leaving. Denial mode activated.
Ajax -
Stanley Menzo won the league, the UEFA Cup and the Cup Winner's Cup under Leo Beenhakker when Louis was the assistant manager. Replaced by a 21 year old Edwin Van der Sar in Van Gaal's second year incharge.
Barcelona -
Vitor Baia was considered to be one of the best keepers in La Liga, and the likes of Casillas or Valdes consider him to be their idol. But after some knee injury problems in Van Gaal's first year incharge, he fell out with the manager on a personal level; and was dropped permanently for Ruud Hesp, before subsequently being loaned out to Porto where he later won the European Cup under Mourinho.
Alkmaar -
The first team goalkeeper duties were alternated between Sergio Romero and Boy Waterman.
Bayern Munich -
Hans-Jorg Butt was the incumbent starter - a very experienced goalkeeper with 350+ appearances for the likes of Hamburg and Leverkusen, and Rensing was the second choice. Ultimately in the second year Van Gaal started Tomas Kraft, the third choice who was quite erratic at times and unsettled the defense. The decision was not warmly supported by Bayern's board and played a big part in getting him fired. Was apparently opposed to the idea of signing Manuel Neuer at first too.
A bit tinfoil hat-ish, but I hope this hasn't played a negative part in the rumors surrounding De Gea's departure, who I still refuse to believe is leaving. Denial mode activated.
I hardly think dropping a player who doesn't want to play with them, but won't tell anyone, will affect team morale. It would be different had De Gea been upfront and let the club know his intentions but he hasn't - he's been sly and underhand.
Valdes isn't a kid, playing him for 2 games is hardly going to destroy him. He's been with Utd for months now so is clearly used to the squad and how they play. I see no risk at all in playing him.
De Gea can now GTF anytime as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe another day,the spirits are not the best to heat up more the atmosphere
You seem to be criticising Kroos for not staying at Bayern despite them refusing to give him his desired wages.
I think it is at least reassuring that LVG has a list of replacements drawn up should De Gea choose to leave and we would be talking a transfer fee in excess of £30million, so despite the fact that we will all be gutted if De Gea chooses to move on, the wheel will continue to turn.
The key thing at the moment is to get to the summer and not panic too much, if he chooses to go then I will be gutted but it won't be the first time and won't be the last, the important thing is to reinvest sensibly.
Hopefully he signs a contract extension and we can continue to build. Maybe signing Depay will underline our intentions of bringing in top quality players that will help us challenge on all fronts.
The key thing at the moment is to get to the summer and not panic too much, if he chooses to go then I will be gutted but it won't be the first time and won't be the last, the important thing is to reinvest sensibly.
Hopefully he signs a contract extension and we can continue to build. Maybe signing Depay will underline our intentions of bringing in top quality players that will help us challenge on all fronts.
I wonder what reaction he'll get on Sunday, I would imagine any booing would finally make his mind up though.
Are we really going to boo someone who carried us through the season? That's pretty grim.
I think his mind was made up long ago.
Fact is though most top players do exactly that in this situation. It benefits them as well because they get an improved contract in the mean time, and are in a better position to negotiate for even better terms with their new club. Not to mention benefiting their agents who get 2x signing on fees.
If the club knew that he was definitely leaving I think LvG would have said as much in the presser. Otherwise if they wanted to keep a lid on the situation he wouldn't be coming out and saying anything about De Gea at all. Speaking half truths would be even more counterproductive.
Perhaps he'd better get used to booing, given his likely destination?
As much as it pisses me off that he's leaving and for relative pittance, I don't see it being a major problem. Yes he's been outstanding at times no doubt but that has coincided with us been utter dog shite.
When we've played well this season it was not only down to our attacking play improving but we also defended well. I don't recall to many world class saves from De Gea in the spurs game or at Anfield, in fact he had very little to do.
Carrick is the the major problem. He's vital to the way Van Gaal wants to play and we're a far better team when he's fit. That's the headache this summer for me, finding a Carrick MkII. There's plenty of keepers out there who can come in and do the job, there aren't many, if any Michael Carricks.
When we've played well this season it was not only down to our attacking play improving but we also defended well. I don't recall to many world class saves from De Gea in the spurs game or at Anfield, in fact he had very little to do.
Carrick is the the major problem. He's vital to the way Van Gaal wants to play and we're a far better team when he's fit. That's the headache this summer for me, finding a Carrick MkII. There's plenty of keepers out there who can come in and do the job, there aren't many, if any Michael Carricks.
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He's a Real fan so what you've just done is pretty much the same as calling his mum a jizzbucket.
Are you going to let him talk about your mum like that? Go on, hit him!
Not sure why so many are so sure of this. Around the time of the Mata transfer he actually came out and criticised the Prem thing of not selling to rivals. Plus there's his good relationship with LVG to take into account and Cech's years of service.
Ourselves to blame.
We should have extended his contract after we won the league in 2013, when Madrid had Lopez in goal. Change of management didn't help.
But look at Chelsea, they extend Hazards contract after two years. City do the same for Silva and Aguero.
We should have extended his contract after we won the league in 2013, when Madrid had Lopez in goal. Change of management didn't help.
But look at Chelsea, they extend Hazards contract after two years. City do the same for Silva and Aguero.
You haven't been keeping up with this thread, have you.
Mendes is a ****. This might even be the first time anyone stood up to him. If that's where the priorities of DDG lie then bye bye
Would rather him go now before the defensive rebuild.
Gave us a couple of great seasons but ultimately he didn't really want to be here. Be interesting to see the crowds reaction tomorrow, that's if he plays.
Gave us a couple of great seasons but ultimately he didn't really want to be here. Be interesting to see the crowds reaction tomorrow, that's if he plays.
I didn't really feel angry at Ronaldo, Beckham and RVN when they joined Madrid but for some reason this feels different.
I was angry at the club for the latter two going for such a low fee.
This is fecking painful. Spend 20 million on a young keeper. Develop him until he's the best in the world. Get forced into selling him to a rival club for around the same price you paid. Then watch them benefit from his skills for 15 years. The world is a horrible place at times.
I wouldn't be surprised if nothing is decided/announced until third is impossible. Of course that would also in effect say he's off – but not for definite, so the crowd would still get behind him tomorrow in the hope of a last minute change of mind....
feck him off!
If they try to lowball us keep him, €30m is nothing to us in the grand scheme of things but one more season with him could very well be the difference between a second place finish and fifth. That way he will get a larger bonus and wage whilst we will have time to scout for a proper replacement.
He's Spanish & the way he's played this season has been sensational. Might have been a right mess without him.
Proper shame but good luck to the man
Proper shame but good luck to the man
Are we basing all this anger at De Gea based purely on that spanish newspaper report?
I take it you haven't see LVG's quotes?
De Gea is as good gone. We'll end making a loss on him as it stands.
Have you forgotten LVG's comments in the presser? Those comments were the damning thing.
Lost a lot of respect for him. If he had any loyalty he would sign that fecking contract and make Real bleed for him. Just like Reus did.
No that's why i asked.
I read the English translation of the Spanish article, i read that LVG has said that we have offered him a contract and he hasn't signed yet and i read on sky sports that he has not agreed any sort of deal with Madrid and as it stands he's still a United player.
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