DDG - it needs to be said

We need a new goalie. One who can hopefully play out from the back. De Gea's consistent mistakes have carried on too long now. Poor parry in the first goal and really hesitant on the third goal.

I mean, the least you expect from your keeper is a complete commitment to the cause especially in the 95th minute when you're a goal ahead. There's no excuse for being lackadaisical in that situation.
 
He's one of our greatest keepers without doubt but while he's often been superb this season, looking at the past year or two, it's a lot of mistakes.
 
sglowrider said:
Dont be daft. What do you expect Ole to do? Throw him under the bus like a Jose? You were fine with Jose for pointing players for their mistakes in public?
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Drop him for a game or two to show him that he actually needs to perform to keep his starting role? There's a big difference between holding players accountable and throwing them under the bus.

The club is more important than any player, who gives a shit about his ego when he's fecked up for 3 seasons running now?
 
Although he does pull off some amazing saves sometimes, he's never been my favorite. He just doesn't have any leadership in him, never been a commanding presence in the box, and he transmits insecurity and fear to our defenders and team.
Time to replace him this summer.
 
Freak said:
It’s high time we replaced him.
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With that lengthy contract, it’s going to be impossible to do that. We are stuck with him for a couple more years unless Dean Henderson can really step up.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's one of our greatest keepers without doubt but while he's often been superb this season, looking at the past year or two, it's a lot of mistakes.
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When has he actually been superb this season? There's been a couple of good saves with his feet, and I remember he made one diving save that I thought most keepers wouldn't get to. Otherwise his saves have all been what you'd expect any decent keeper to make. And that decent keeper would hopefully be far more commanding of his box, stronger in the air, not cowardly hide from contact, and have better distribution (which isn't terrible but could definitely be better).
 
Romero was always the better goalkeeper for United.

Unfortunately De Gea has the bigger contract.
 
elmo said:
Drop him for a game or two to show him that he actually needs to perform to keep his starting role? There's a big difference between holding players accountable and throwing them under the bus.

The club is more important than any player, who gives a shit about his ego when he's fecked up for 3 seasons running now?
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My solution is to nudge him out this summer. But how do we shift the fecker who costs us 10 points a season and £250k/week?
That's my frustration.

You drop him and it destroys his confidence and then you can't shift him in the summer.
 
I just don’t see our board/Ole going out and buying a new keeper with DDG and Henderson on hand. We should invest in an elite CB this summer before anything else.
 
MadDogg said:
This isn't similar to Mourinho's treatment of the likes of Shaw, Martial and Pogba who were unfairly targeted. Continuing how we are would be more like how Matic and Lukaku played every single match no matter how bad they were, and Mourinho refused to give anyone else a real chance.
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Problem is that in these covid times I can't see us buying a goalie and a dominant CB the same window. Plus who will buy DDG?
We are stuck with him I am afraid.
 
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Juanuzayne said:
I just don’t see our board/Ole going out and buying a new keeper with DDG and Henderson on hand. We should invest in an elite CB this summer before anything else.
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The thing is we dont need to buy one.

Romero or Henderson are better goalkeepers than De Gea.

The lack of reflex ability is there - yet they control their box, dont look scared during corners and the defenders say they prefer playing with them.
 
Don't know why we'd buy a keeper before giving Henderson a run of games to see if he can up the performance levels with consistent games. He'll no doubt start against West Ham so it's on him to perform well and stake a claim to the place.
 
sglowrider said:
Problem is that in these covid times I can't see us buying a goalie and a dominant CB the same window. Plus who will but DDG?
We are stuck with him I am afraid.
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We should be giving Henderson a chance. He might take that chance and cement himself as our future #1 for quite some time, he might fail. Either way we'll have the answer and we can then plan properly for the future.

If he works out then it'll be up to De Gea what he wants to do. Does he want to sit on our bench for another two seasons and just play in the cups (perhaps getting dropped in the bigger matches), or is he willing to take a paycut to go somewhere else as first choice? We wouldn't get much (any?) of a transfer fee, but we might be able to get his wages off our books.
 
sglowrider said:
My solution is to nudge him out this summer. But how do we shift the fecker who costs us 10 points a season and £250k/week?
That's my frustration.

You drop him and it destroys his confidence and then you can't shift him in the summer.
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I don't think he is "shiftable" .. Not too many clubs can take on that kind of hit on their wage bill.
He was given a ridiculous contract that was never deserved and now it's a problem.
 
Bebestation said:
The thing is we dont need to buy one.

Romero or Henderson are better goalkeepers than De Gea.

The lack of reflex ability is there - yet they control their box, dont look scared during corners and the defenders say they prefer playing with them.
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This might be the dumbest i've read on here. Nothing suggest Henderson or Romero is better than De Gea. Only imagination
 
Andersonson said:
This might be the dumbest i've read on here. Nothing suggest Henderson or Romero is better than De Gea. Only imagination
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Not henderson but Romero's performances in the europa league was always better than De Geas.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...d-de-gea-henderson-romero-stats-transfer/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sp...anchester-united-s-first-choice-goalkeeper-ss

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...fer-option-for-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-1.1051871

https://www.thetotallyfootballshow....ance-over-david-de-gea-for-manchester-united/

https://www.fotmob.com/news/1iegmjmj81d361nm369oo77kv0-de-gea-is-united's-third-best-goalkeeper,-jokes-mourinho

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.go...with-his-feet-james/gh49gkgnhaij1c971t23qtrpc


I think stupid means when you stand out saying something alot of people dont think.

I think just as much as I'm stupid intelligence isnt found either in some of your posts.
 
I would take at least 6-7 goalkeepers ahead of him easily. Donnarumma, Alisson, Neuer, Navas, Ter Stegen, Oblak, and Courtois.

I remember being so high on him as recently as the 2018 world cup, hyping him up to a friend about him being possibly the best GK in the world, then that game against Portugal, epic 3-3 game, where he made some basic blunders and it seemed like he wouldn't stop making those every now and then consistently to the point where he seems completely unreliable.
 
As someone who have witnessed our keeper situation post Peter Schmeichel, I know very well, if you want to compete for major trophy, you need top class or world class keeper. In fact, Chelsea won it with Courtois recently, City won it with Ederson recently & Liverpool won it with Allisson recently. It's just fact. Good PL keeper alone is not enough, you need top or world class keeper and DDG is no longer the same in those three keepers category on a current level.

I think it's fair for us (myself included) to have repaid him (after what he done for us) by putting our faith in him last season and this season but we cannot longer go the 4th season with his mistakes. I will respect or accept Ole's decision if we end up keep playing him for the rest of this season but next season we need to sign top class keeper.
 
Bebestation said:
The thing is we dont need to buy one.

Romero or Henderson are better goalkeepers than De Gea.

The lack of reflex ability is there - yet they control their box, dont look scared during corners and the defenders say they prefer playing with them.
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Romero has one foot out the door and Henderson has done nothing to suggest he’s an upgrade on DDG. It’s too bad DDG’s prime years occurred when the rest of the squad was shit.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
We need a new goalie. One who can hopefully play out from the back. De Gea's consistent mistakes have carried on too long now. Poor parry in the first goal and really hesitant on the third goal.

I mean, the least you expect from your keeper is a complete commitment to the cause especially in the 95th minute when you're a goal ahead. There's no excuse for being lackadaisical in that situation.
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He's a bit of a coward.
 
sglowrider said:
My solution is to nudge him out this summer. But how do we shift the fecker who costs us 10 points a season and £250k/week?
That's my frustration.

You drop him and it destroys his confidence and then you can't shift him in the summer.
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The last time Sir Alex dropped him for Lindergaard did him wonders when he realised he wasn't going to show up and just get the starting role.

If he can't hack it with competition, he's clearly no longer good enough for us.
 
The fact we are still having these conversations about DDG who has been shite for almost 3 years now and still a guaranteed starter on a bumper contract makes me wonder if the thread should be retitled OGS - it needs to be said.
 
It is sad because he carried the team when the whole squad was poor. Now the squad is much better and has to carry him. Next season, if we are serious about title charge, a new keeper is required.
 
Just let him sit on the bench for the rest of the season.

The club have obviously factored in his contract for however long it runs for so just let him be the substitute keeper under Henderson, certainly until the end of the season.

Then we’ll have a better idea where we stand with the GK situation and can make a decision.

Personally, I think Henderson will make us better defensively but probably won’t ever be as good a shot stopper as De Gea.

Will Ole be ballsy enough though?
 
Henderson is the solution. He is the goalkeeper of this club for the next 15-20 years. He might not have had a brilliant start but he’s still made many excellent saves and dropped only one clanger. The logic here of ‘he can’t be any worse’ is an apt one. De Gea seemingly forgot how to be a top keeper after that Spurs game in 2019. That’s two years of average performances and almost fortnightly errors.

Meanwhile, Deano was the best keeper in the league at Sheff Utd last year. He clearly has the reflexes, agility and handling, probably better than DDG at this point, and he’s not a complete coward unlike De Gea. We’d have won 3-1 if he was in goal. He wouldn’t have made the first error as these days he’s better than De Gea anyway, and for the last, he sends DCL into outer space along with the ball, like he did against loads of top strikers at Sheffield.

So what happens if he fails? Well, in that worst case scenario, we just sell him to an Everton or Newcastle. In the best case scenario, he fulfils his boundless potential and becomes our Casillas/Buffon/Neuer. I’d argue the best case scenario is far more plausible.

As for De Gea, he will have to rot on the bench if he doesn’t want to take a pay cut and leave. Two years of bad performances cannot be tolerated at any serious big club, because without a good goalkeeper, we’ll never win anything.
 
Varun said:
He's a bit of a coward.
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He wasn't so passive before. I don't know how a completely committed footballer can not go into a 50-50 full blooded in the 95th minute when protecting a lead. Inexcusable imo. The rest of the team were putting everything on the line and he stands there like a complete wimp.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
He's one of our greatest keepers without doubt but while he's often been superb this season, looking at the past year or two, it's a lot of mistakes.
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He hasn’t been anywhere near superb this season. He’s simply avoided being a disaster zone... until yesterday. The guy is so far off the level a title challenging team needs. He’s weak as piss.
 
Harry190 said:
Maguire should never have let that ball roll behind but there was a deflection beforehand that pushed it a bit. However, the keeper had an advantage on that ball. He should have put the fear of god in Kluivert. She should have absolutely bollocked that ball and the player with it, à la Schmeichel. Instead, he turned his back and put his arms up like a fragile little bitch.
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This could quite easily be, word for word, related to Vs everton. It saddens me that it means that just like then nothing will be done and the cycle will continue.
 
Beanz said:
This could quite easily be, word for word, related to Vs everton. It saddens me that it means that just like then nothing will be done and the cycle will continue.
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Sadly it seems that Ole only makes certain players accountable. Others continue to make the same mistakes with total impunity. I am sick to death with De Gea at this stage. He steals £350k a week and serves up nothing short of cowardice. If we were lucky, he would spend a long time unavailable for selection.
 
Imposssible to know for sure but the fact he’s always rooted to his line I think is one of the main reasons we have issues with the back line. Despite obvious flaws in Maguire and lindelof I don’t feel we see them highlighted often and when we do if we had a keeper who actually dared to venture to the 6 yard line I think we’d be much more secure. Time for Henderson to play Tuesday then keep the no 1 spot for me
 
Much like we’ve now done with Martial and did previously with Pogba it’s time to drop De Gea for a number of games to see if he rises to the challenge and if not then look to move him on in the summer if possible, he’s been a great player for the club but there’s no room for sentiment especially when we’re trying to get back to where we were less than a decade ago.

Between De Gea now being as he is and the obviousness that Lindelof and Maguire as a partnership does NOT work we’re extremely soft and always likely to concede at least once but possibly more as seen last night, I’d give Henderson and whichever one of Tuanzebe or Bailly is fit a good run of games.
 
De Gea has been amazing for us for much of his career, and I think our fans are ones who appreciate that. I think everyone now agrees, his shot stopping is not the same - and his management of the area is posing us more and more trouble.

OGS has a big decision, and a real dilemma:
  • You stick with DDG - continue to have the issues, and run the risk of showing a culture amongst the team of complacency
  • You drop DDG - the media clamour, and potential dressing room issues
If DDG was just performing poorly, or making a slightly different mistake i.e. on distribution, the odd wrong choice in the area, or shot he should save I think you save the media clamour and just accept it. What I can't accept is the cowardice in 2 ways:
  1. The lack of putting his body on the line - against Leipzig at 2-0, the third goal was all his - the fear of getting hurt ultimately actually cost us. Add to that now yesterday, the feeble nature in Goal 1, but then last minute, 3 points on the line hanging back for only the worry of getting hurt is just atrocious and could be season changing.
  2. The lack of fight - against Sheffield Utd, I am sure if he makes more of a fuss, VAR have a much longer look and potentially over turn it. Instead he adds to his weakness on the cross by just accepting the goal. Its just weak
I think based on these reasons, the FA cup is timed perfectly this week - it should be positioned as not DDG being dropped, but if Hendo has an assured game it should be presented as I can't drop him. DDG's shot stopping is not winning us more points than it is costing.
 
You have got to remember Henderson has not been given a chance at Man Utd. He was probably the best goalkeeper in the PL last season bar Allison.
DDG has no confidence and is not the goalie he was.OGS much show leadership. He must drop DDG and give Henderson a prolonged run in the team.
As a manager you do the best for the team and you play your best team. The third goal was a replica of the third goal against Leipzig.
Also we would be in the title race if DDG wasn’t playing!
 
RashyForPM said:
Henderson is the solution. He is the goalkeeper of this club for the next 15-20 years. He might not have had a brilliant start but he’s still made many excellent saves and dropped only one clanger. The logic here of ‘he can’t be any worse’ is an apt one. De Gea seemingly forgot how to be a top keeper after that Spurs game in 2019. That’s two years of average performances and almost fortnightly errors.

Meanwhile, Deano was the best keeper in the league at Sheff Utd last year. He clearly has the reflexes, agility and handling, probably better than DDG at this point, and he’s not a complete coward unlike De Gea. We’d have won 3-1 if he was in goal. He wouldn’t have made the first error as these days he’s better than De Gea anyway, and for the last, he sends DCL into outer space along with the ball, like he did against loads of top strikers at Sheffield.

So what happens if he fails? Well, in that worst case scenario, we just sell him to an Everton or Newcastle. In the best case scenario, he fulfils his boundless potential and becomes our Casillas/Buffon/Neuer. I’d argue the best case scenario is far more plausible.

As for De Gea, he will have to rot on the bench if he doesn’t want to take a pay cut and leave. Two years of bad performances cannot be tolerated at any serious big club, because without a good goalkeeper, we’ll never win anything.
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At the very least, Henderson’s performances over the last two years have merited him a proper opportunity. Chelsea were after him in the summer for a reason.

It makes no sense to treat Romero the way we did if we have no faith in Henderson to have a long-term future at the club.

The one problem that the manager is at fault for is that he has been too loyal and supportive to a couple of key players, such as De Gea and Maguire, that now leaving them out of the side would be polemical. The FA Cup match next is a great opportunity to do so.
 
I know we were nervous about losing what was probably our only 'world-class' player at the time, but my God we once again find ourselves utterly fecked as a result of giving a player an exorbitant contract. It's completely mental.
 
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