Dayot Upamecano | Signs for Bayern

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jesperjaap said:
Obviously depends how he would settle in to a new climate and huge club, he isnt the finished article, but I disagree, would be our best defender and has world class potential, he absolutely walks in over Lindelof for me, there are lots of centre backs about that would and he is near th etop of the pile
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That’s what I mean by saying he could do it easily it’s completely ridiculous as a notion.


He’s absolutely a talent and anyone writing him off is an idiot but claiming he’d walk into the United side with ease is equally arrogant man assumption.

At 21 he’s got a lot of learning to do and our best defender? Maguire would certainly be the better of the two but he’s fully developed.

Why can we not have some nuance here why does every singing or potential signing have to be either the best or worst thing around.

I think you’re underrating the job Lindelof has done as part of a functioning defensive system.
 
A-man said:
In one way it is not the right match to gauge him on, but on the other hand there are people making claims that he would walk in at United and instantly become our best defender, that he is top 5 in the world etc. Then of course he should be evaluated when he faces the best, because just like our players today, he would play against some of the best players in the world in the PL. If we need a substantial upgrade on the defenders we have today, to make our defence the best in the PL, he needs to be world class of course.

But one game is one game, and he looked very isolated. But I still think, from this and other matches, that he seems to have poor awareness of what’s going on behind him. He seems to react slowly sometimes. Of course he has many good and great attributes as well. He is one of the best I’ve seen at driving up the ball. He is great at making passes through the press.
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Was saying I was looking forward to seeing him up against PSG, but I do genuinely feel as though his coach set up in one way, should have seen it really, really wasn't working, and changed to something else. The outcome mightn't have been any different, but I think just letting things play out was detrimental on multiple levels. I think there is merit in saying he could do better positionally, but in this game, it was always a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as Mbappe and Neymar were adjusting dynamically to whatever was presented. You need two men to match that, where Upamecano was essentially left high and dry - sitting back would've just enabled all the play to simply go on ahead of him; trying to be proactive, meant there was space in behind. Neymar and Mbappe in that kind of form, are going to take any single defender on the planet to pieces.

As I said before, 1 vs 1 against Neymar is far from a sure thing, in fact, you're going to back him against any CB in that scenario - well I certainly would anyway - so you then add Mbappe and the outcome is a formality.

I think I would have had more judgement of Upamecano in this game if the contesting CB's had been on par with the attackers or if a system was set up where he could try and affect play. A duo like Mbappe and Neymar: there's nothing like that to face in the PL. I don't think there's a better attacking tandem on the planet, to be honest, so it's an outlier that doesn't really sway anything away from Upamecano in my eyes. That's not to say he doesn't have things to learn and improve upon, rather, that kind of occurrence with two such overwhelmingly talented players running a double-team on him, is not going to be seen again until/if he faces PSG again. For what we need and what he'll face, the way this game unfolded is neither here nor there. I feel as though there needed to be Konate and Upamecano out there at their very best to even have a chance vs those two, and even then, it wouldn't be a surprise if they lost the contest, as you're talking about two very likely future ballon d'or winners playing fantastic combination football to a level maybe a couple of teams on the planet can compete directly with. The final itself will be interesting beings as Bayern are touted as champions elect - will they simply starve them of supply, or will they work as a unit to shut them down? I feel neither of those options were viable for Leipzig and that this was a game too far without Konate.

All that said, I'm in the camp where this kind of CB is one that ticks all the boxes in contrast to what we have here.
 
Fortitude said:
Was saying I was looking forward to seeing him up against PSG, but I do genuinely feel as though his coach set up in one way, should have seen it really, really wasn't working, and changed to something else. The outcome mightn't have been any different, but I think just letting things play out was detrimental on multiple levels. I think there is merit in saying he could do better positionally, but in this game, it was always a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as Mbappe and Neymar were adjusting dynamically to whatever was presented. You need two men to match that, where Upamecano was essentially left high and dry - sitting back would've just enabled all the play to simply go on ahead of him; trying to be proactive, meant there was space in behind. Neymar and Mbappe in that kind of form, are going to take any single defender on the planet to pieces.

As I said before, 1 vs 1 against Neymar is far from a sure thing, in fact, you're going to back him against any CB in that scenario - well I certainly would anyway - so you then add Mbappe and the outcome is a formality.

I think I would have had more judgement of Upamecano in this game if the contesting CB's had been on par with the attackers or if a system was set up where he could try and affect play. A duo like Mbappe and Neymar: there's nothing like that to face in the PL. I don't think there's a better attacking tandem on the planet, to be honest, so it's an outlier that doesn't really sway anything away from Upamecano in my eyes. That's not to say he doesn't have things to learn and improve upon, rather, that kind of occurrence with two such overwhelmingly talented players running a double-team on him, is not going to be seen again until/if he faces PSG again. For what we need and what he'll face, the way this game unfolded is neither here nor there. I feel as though there needed to be Konate and Upamecano out there at their very best to even have a chance vs those two, and even then, it wouldn't be a surprise if they lost the contest, as you're talking about two very likely future ballon d'or winners playing fantastic combination football to a level maybe a couple of teams on the planet can compete directly with. The final itself will be interesting beings as Bayern are touted as champions elect - will they simply starve them of supply, or will they work as a unit to shut them down? I feel neither of those options were viable for Leipzig and that this was a game too far without Konate.

All that said, I'm in the camp where this kind of CB is one that ticks all the boxes in contrast to what we have here.
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Good post and I completely agree...
 
BenitoSTARR said:
That’s what I mean by saying he could do it easily it’s completely ridiculous as a notion.


He’s absolutely a talent and anyone writing him off is an idiot but claiming he’d walk into the United side with ease is equally arrogant man assumption.

At 21 he’s got a lot of learning to do and our best defender? Maguire would certainly be the better of the two but he’s fully developed.

Why can we not have some nuance here why does every singing or potential signing have to be either the best or worst thing around.

I think you’re underrating the job Lindelof has done as part of a functioning defensive system.
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He would walk into our first eleven as currently his only competition is Lindelof and Phil Jones. if Lindelof has done so well in a functioning team why does almost every single pundit you see asked what Man Utd need, say a centre back partner for Maguire? ARe they all wrong?

Lindelof for me has been excellent less times in his whole time here than I have fingers. He was actually having an excellent game the other night....until that goal. I can hardly think of any of the top sides in Europe he would start for and not many at the top of the premiership and that is saying something considering just how bad this seasons been defensively, one of the main reasons English clubs have failed this year.

Rough around the edges Upamecano is already a much higher level than Lindelof. As for Maguire, yes I do think he is a better defender than Maguire, Maguire is a good centre back, he isnt a great one, we arent comparing Upamecano up against the elite here and saying he is the best around, lets not be naive just because they are Manchester United players we are comparing against. We signed a good centre back for a ridiculously high price for Maguire, a world record for a centre back that isnt world class, if we are comparing against world class players then no Upamecano isnt that good yet, but he is as good as any of our centre backs already for me, including Maguire
 
Fortitude said:
Was saying I was looking forward to seeing him up against PSG, but I do genuinely feel as though his coach set up in one way, should have seen it really, really wasn't working, and changed to something else. The outcome mightn't have been any different, but I think just letting things play out was detrimental on multiple levels. I think there is merit in saying he could do better positionally, but in this game, it was always a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place as Mbappe and Neymar were adjusting dynamically to whatever was presented. You need two men to match that, where Upamecano was essentially left high and dry - sitting back would've just enabled all the play to simply go on ahead of him; trying to be proactive, meant there was space in behind. Neymar and Mbappe in that kind of form, are going to take any single defender on the planet to pieces.

As I said before, 1 vs 1 against Neymar is far from a sure thing, in fact, you're going to back him against any CB in that scenario - well I certainly would anyway - so you then add Mbappe and the outcome is a formality.

I think I would have had more judgement of Upamecano in this game if the contesting CB's had been on par with the attackers or if a system was set up where he could try and affect play. A duo like Mbappe and Neymar: there's nothing like that to face in the PL. I don't think there's a better attacking tandem on the planet, to be honest, so it's an outlier that doesn't really sway anything away from Upamecano in my eyes. That's not to say he doesn't have things to learn and improve upon, rather, that kind of occurrence with two such overwhelmingly talented players running a double-team on him, is not going to be seen again until/if he faces PSG again. For what we need and what he'll face, the way this game unfolded is neither here nor there. I feel as though there needed to be Konate and Upamecano out there at their very best to even have a chance vs those two, and even then, it wouldn't be a surprise if they lost the contest, as you're talking about two very likely future ballon d'or winners playing fantastic combination football to a level maybe a couple of teams on the planet can compete directly with. The final itself will be interesting beings as Bayern are touted as champions elect - will they simply starve them of supply, or will they work as a unit to shut them down? I feel neither of those options were viable for Leipzig and that this was a game too far without Konate.

All that said, I'm in the camp where this kind of CB is one that ticks all the boxes in contrast to what we have here.
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One thing that stood out in the Leipzig defence was that they did not work as a unit. At one occasion, when Mbappe went in behind Upamecano’s back, three of them were concentrating on the ball holder. We can only speculate how United would handle PSG, but I believe our defence would have much bigger chance as they work better together as a unit.

I understand there are many circumstances that makes it hard to evaluate him, as he didn’t have optimal conditions, it was good forwards, etc. But many of the chances conceded because of him did not have anything to do with Neymar or Mbappe and their high level. I mean he was totally fooled by Neymar assist at the second goal. But that was such a high level play I would not expect any CB to be able to handle that. But, he was jogging slowly back in a counter allowing them a first class chance. He totally forgot Bernat at the goal who unmarked could score. He allowed Mbappe to get a almost free header. He reacted slow for the counter at the end and Neymar was totally free. Things like that.

I agree that. At at and Mbappe are very good, but not unstoppable. Many teams have been succesful in stopping them.

For me he ticks the box very big talent, already at his age on a high level, could possibly be succesful in the PL, incredibly talented on the ball, has had a lot of injuries, has some poor sides he needs to work on like awareness around him, reaction, concentration, and from the matches I’ve seen he looks so-so in the air but could maybe be me who has only seen the wrong matches.
 
A-man said:
One thing that stood out in the Leipzig defence was that they did not work as a unit. At one occasion, when Mbappe went in behind Upamecano’s back, three of them were concentrating on the ball holder. We can only speculate how United would handle PSG, but I believe our defence would have much bigger chance as they work better together as a unit.

I understand there are many circumstances that makes it hard to evaluate him, as he didn’t have optimal conditions, it was good forwards, etc. But many of the chances conceded because of him did not have anything to do with Neymar or Mbappe and their high level. I mean he was totally fooled by Neymar assist at the second goal. But that was such a high level play I would not expect any CB to be able to handle that. But, he was jogging slowly back in a counter allowing them a first class chance. He totally forgot Bernat at the goal who unmarked could score. He allowed Mbappe to get a almost free header. He reacted slow for the counter at the end and Neymar was totally free. Things like that.

I agree that. At at and Mbappe are very good, but not unstoppable. Many teams have been succesful in stopping them.

For me he ticks the box very big talent, already at his age on a high level, could possibly be succesful in the PL, incredibly talented on the ball, has had a lot of injuries, has some poor sides he needs to work on like awareness around him, reaction, concentration, and from the matches I’ve seen he looks so-so in the air but could maybe be me who has only seen the wrong matches.
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I can''t profess to know the ins and outs of Upamecano's game because I don't watch him often. But since @Adnan mentioned them way back when, I have kept a fleeting eye on him and Konate during the big games, however, and I wouldn't claim he's been perfect when watching him, but I do try to watch them and consider the conditions, the surroundings and the quality of the opposition.

If we're breaking down how you stop Neymar and Mbappe, it's usually with a great performance from the midfield as well as the defence. Passing them off at the right time; covering runs from one player to another; filling channels superfluously and making sure they can't isolate any one player in defensive for a concerted period of time. Leipzig were in real trouble last night because not only Neymar and Mbappe being so smart with their game and movement, but also Di Maria being superb and a problem completely in his own right and independent of either of them. PSG spread well enough that whatever it was Nagelsmann intended to do completely collapsed. We might just say this is what happens when better players play like they're supposed to, or we could blame it on tactical failure, or maybe say it's a bit of both. The game was so comprehensive that, for me, it became difficult to determine whether anything that set of players could have done to make it competitive.

You mentioned the unit and I have, too - they were lost at sea, but most of that was because of Neymar and his constant drifting across the line as well as dropping back and then suddenly influencing the game from wherever he was. Not sure there's another player out there they could have faced who would have tied so many players in knots whilst seemingly doing so little - I think the palming him off as someone else's responsibility was also a thing (very possibly stage fright) as the defenders had no idea whether they stick or twist and in the end did neither essentially becoming traffic cones which he duly obliged in running around them as he saw fit. Even by himself, he's an outlier for defenders to face, but Mbappe reading and exploiting the play and darting into the spaces Neymar was prising open just compounded the misery for whatever defensive plans were supposed to be in place there.

What's interesting for me is I want us to play a high line so Upamecano's issues should be reductive as his own recovery pace is ridiculous and most of the time you actually would want him to be the proactive one going towards the ball and not away from it with Maguire sweeping up behind (thus enabling Upamecano to get his bearings back if beaten and then turn and use his recovery pace to re-challenge the man who should have been slowed down by Maguire) - the deeper line stuff, in my vision of how we could play with someone like him, becomes a secondary concern because it would then be us squeezing the life out of the opposition and moving ourselves a good 10-15 yard further up than we currently can with the CB's we have now. He'd probably have things to fix to play for us, but perhaps different to what he has now (differences in the game between the PL and Die Bundesliga).
 
The latest post commenting on the PSG were great. Just wanted to add that it was all about high press and quick transition from PSG.

In possession, Leipzig had a 3421 system trying to play from the back, due to PSG high press, Upamecano had instruction to do what he always does, move up to the midfield to give the other two CBs another passing option. The problem was that PSG high press too often caught RB Leipzig defense off guard (mainly by pressing the FBs) and forced a lot of errors leading to the disallowed goal and the second goal. In both, Upamecano had to chase PSG forward and seemed like he didn't know what was going on behind his back, while in fact he was coming back from midfield.

In defensive phase, RB Leipzig initially played a 532 with both Lemar and Angelino setting deep, later they changed it to a flat 442 in defensive phase while PSG were in possession, in both cases they failed miserably to stop PSG.

It's really hard to focus your criticism on one defender when the whole defensive structure of the team isn't working. There isn't a single defender in the world who can stop a whole team on his own. Which is a point better explained in many posts before this one.
 
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golden_blunder said:
Dunno about that, Liverpool found Klopp

Whereas DoF are very bit as hit and miss with different records at different clubs
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Liverpool also found Michael Edwards who has played a key role in their structure and recruitment.
 
Nitewolf said:
The latest post commenting on the PSG were great. Just wanted to add that it was all about high press and quick transition from PSG.

In possession, Leipzig had a 3421 system trying to play from the back, due to PSG high press, Upamecano had instruction to do what he always does, move up to the midfield to give the other two CBs another passing option. The problem was that PSG high press too often caught RB Leipzig defense off guard (mainly by pressing the FBs) and forced a lot of errors leading to the disallowed goal and the second goal. In both, Upamecano had to chase PSG forward and seemed like he didn't know what was going on behind his back, while in fact he was coming back from midfield.

In defensive phase, RB Leipzig initially played a 532 with both Lemar and Angelino setting deep, later they changed it to a flat 442 in defensive phase while PSG were in possession, in both cases they failed miserably to stop PSG.

It's really hard to focus your criticism on one defender when the whole defensive structure of the team isn't working. There isn't a single defender in the world who can stop a whole team on his own. Which is a point better explained in many posts before this one.
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Exactly

The formation was wrong from the start.

But i still want hip.

Please Ed, bring him here now
 
No idea about the above but he was thought to be a done dealio for us when he was a kid. Definitely remember this being one that suddenly fell apart.
 
Adnan said:
We haven't been stupid but rather naive in giving managers control of recruitment.
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Not entirely correct. Apparently There is a "transfer committee" who shortlist a number of players for a particular position. Then the manager will choose from that list.
When the decision to sign a particular player is made and approved, the negotiating team will start the negotiations.

Maybe I missed some details, but apparently they work along those lines.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
We tried hard to sign him a few years ago. Could well be true. We put young players in digs so they’re in a supportive environment. Pogba is still close to the family he stayed with. We may not want players going home too often because it could be unsettling.
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Whatever the reasoning for wanting to put a player in digs, you can't swap things last minute when negotiating with a player. It's unprofessional and probably leaves a sour taste.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
We tried hard to sign him a few years ago. Could well be true. We put young players in digs so they’re in a supportive environment. Pogba is still close to the family he stayed with. We may not want players going home too often because it could be unsettling.
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Why on earth did Utd offer him his own flat then suddenly pull the rug from under him,if they explained to him the benefits of living in digs before offering the flat then maybe he still would have signed.
 
TsuWave said:
Any of this true?

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If your best scouts have a feeling a player is going to end up being worth 50-100million like this lad, Bellingham and haaland you go the extra mile, pay up and get them in the door while the cost is still relatively low. It seems like we can’t always shop at the very top end of the market so we have to be smart and decisive earlier on which I genuinely think we have a problem with. I don’t mean the youth teams. I mean 17-22 year olds. We can’t keep letting prospects like these slip through our fingers or we will be the new arsenal. We nearly signed him.... at least we currently seem to have no problem spotting the players. Executing the deals on the other hand....
 
Ali Dia said:
If your best scouts have a feeling a player is going to end up being worth 50-100million like this lad, Bellingham and haaland you go the extra mile, pay up and get them in the door while the cost is still relatively low. It seems like we can’t always shop at the very top end of the market so we have to be smart and decisive earlier on which I genuinely think we have a problem with. I don’t mean the youth teams. I mean 17-22 year olds. We can’t keep letting prospects like these slip through our fingers or we will be the new arsenal. We nearly signed him.... at least we currently seem to have no problem spotting the players. Executing the deals on the other hand....
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The academy was a bit of a shambles back then, seems much more organized now, I don't think it's particularly concerning now.
 
TwoSheds said:
The academy was a bit of a shambles back then, seems much more organized now, I don't think it's particularly concerning now.
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im not talking about the academy though as much as younger lads that are bought to feature in around the first team squad. Haaland, we should have went for him nice and early when he was leaving Norway using the Ole leverage or even just gave him the release clause to get him in the door when he was leaving RBS and offered a new deal without release or much higher clause once he was settled. Maybe a PL loan to a Europa league team. Nobody can afford him now anyway.... Bellingham we should have matched Dortmund’s wages which we supposedly baulked at. He would be getting plenty of games here next season. Upamecano we should have just gone the extra mile and saved ourselves a 50 million transfer fee all for the price of an apartment or some flights. These are small details that good negotiators will sign off on to save a fortune in the future. You would forget sometimes that we are minted and that is a cost effective approach with the right players.
 
Ali Dia said:
If your best scouts have a feeling a player is going to end up being worth 50-100million like this lad, Bellingham and haaland you go the extra mile, pay up and get them in the door while the cost is still relatively low. It seems like we can’t always shop at the very top end of the market so we have to be smart and decisive earlier on which I genuinely think we have a problem with. I don’t mean the youth teams. I mean 17-22 year olds. We can’t keep letting prospects like these slip through our fingers or we will be the new arsenal. We nearly signed him.... at least we currently seem to have no problem spotting the players. Executing the deals on the other hand....
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Mate you say that like it should be easy. How about YOU try get a million pound transfer done using a fax machine at the local internet cafe on a £1 per hour basis.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
Mate you say that like it should be easy. How about YOU try get a million pound transfer done using a fax machine at the local internet cafe on a £1 per hour basis.
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this is these guys job supposedly. Look at the amount of money they’ve already wasted and shite players they’ve scouted and accumulated but you’re saying oh it’s ok they actually know exactly what they are at, it’s just hard to do deals while just about every other serious club runs rings around us in the market. Christ. Maybe you should apply for a job yourself.
 
Ali Dia said:
If your best scouts have a feeling a player is going to end up being worth 50-100million like this lad, Bellingham and haaland you go the extra mile, pay up and get them in the door while the cost is still relatively low. It seems like we can’t always shop at the very top end of the market so we have to be smart and decisive earlier on which I genuinely think we have a problem with. I don’t mean the youth teams. I mean 17-22 year olds. We can’t keep letting prospects like these slip through our fingers or we will be the new arsenal. We nearly signed him.... at least we currently seem to have no problem spotting the players. Executing the deals on the other hand....
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The problem is that your best scouts probably have the feeling that loads of guys are going to be worth 50-100 million like this lad. The difference is that you rarely see the former scouts getting paid to mouth off in the Sun about how they told the club to buy Titus Bramble and Anthony Le Tallec.

If you start breaking your youth policy for every young player your scouts rave about, then you don't have a youth policy anymore.
 
Isn't Konate rated as highly as Upamecano? Both are excellent defenders, but when you take the fact that we have a lot of trouble defending set-pieces, I feel the taller Konate would be a better fit.
 
VanHaal'sRedArmy said:
Isn't Konate rated as highly as Upamecano? Both are excellent defenders, but when you take the fact that we have a lot of trouble defending set-pieces, I feel the taller Konate would be a better fit.
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That’s what resident experts like @Adnan thinks, and he has watched both of them a lot and knows his stuff.
 
Ali Dia said:
If your best scouts have a feeling a player is going to end up being worth 50-100million like this lad, Bellingham and haaland you go the extra mile, pay up and get them in the door while the cost is still relatively low. It seems like we can’t always shop at the very top end of the market so we have to be smart and decisive earlier on which I genuinely think we have a problem with. I don’t mean the youth teams. I mean 17-22 year olds. We can’t keep letting prospects like these slip through our fingers or we will be the new arsenal. We nearly signed him.... at least we currently seem to have no problem spotting the players. Executing the deals on the other hand....
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You make it sound so easy - but the fact is, this goes for every single topclub in Europe. Why didn't these players end up at Barcelona, or Real, or City ? The fact is - the majority of these players will not get gametime at clubs like ours because the competition is too hard and the opposition the same. We can't afford to give them the matches they want. While at smaller clubs - they will get it. A young player like Upamecano would have made a lot of mistakes in the Premier League - until he adapted to the pace and physicality. But we can't afford to have a player who will make a lot of mistakes.
 
Ali Dia said:
this is these guys job supposedly. Look at the amount of money they’ve already wasted and shite players they’ve scouted and accumulated but you’re saying oh it’s ok they actually know exactly what they are at, it’s just hard to do deals while just about every other serious club runs rings around us in the market. Christ. Maybe you should apply for a job yourself.
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Did you read my post properly? Things like "fax machine" and "local internet cafe" I thought were dead give aways that I was being sarcastic and actually agreeing with your post :lol:
 
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You make it sound so easy - but the fact is, this goes for every single topclub in Europe. Why didn't these players end up at Barcelona, or Real, or City ? The fact is - the majority of these players will not get gametime at clubs like ours because the competition is too hard and the opposition the same. We can't afford to give them the matches they want. While at smaller clubs - they will get it. A young player like Upamecano would have made a lot of mistakes in the Premier League - until he adapted to the pace and physicality. But we can't afford to have a player who will make a lot of mistakes.
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This is true. Even if you look at KDB and Salah... Would they be two of the best players in the world of they were getting managed minutes at Chelsea? Maybe... But their stints at smaller clubs I think massively helped their progress. Especially Salah.
 
Ali Dia said:
argh! Sorry my bad. This window has been pure crap.
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It's tough because we were still in Europa whilst the rest were finished (apart from City, who throw money around).

We're making the most ambitious bid of all teams (Sancho), which inevitably will turn into a saga.

I think we need to get rid of some deadwood first. Sanchez is off the wages, which is a big boost. Now too get rid of JLingz, Pereira and Mata.

I think we'll get a few players in the coming weeks. Just got to be patient.
 
Dirty Schwein said:
It's tough because we were still in Europa whilst the rest were finished (apart from City, who throw money around).

We're making the most ambitious bid of all teams (Sancho), which inevitably will turn into a saga.

I think we need to get rid of some deadwood first. Sanchez is off the wages, which is a big boost. Now too get rid of JLingz, Pereira and Mata.

I think we'll get a few players in the coming weeks. Just got to be patient.
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Reminds me of Joses last summer, lets see what happens
 
While I would love to have Upamecano at United, he would get absolutely slaughtered here for some of his mistakes.
 
TsuWave said:
Any of this true?

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What's up with United always changing their offers at the last minute? It's not good business and it seems to happen all of the time, frankly embarrassing if true.
 
Sayros said:
What's up with United always changing their offers at the last minute? It's not good business and it seems to happen all of the time, frankly embarrassing if true.
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You know, I was going to post something with similar sentiment earlier.

Like, I get that having the kid stay with a family in order to create a supportive environment and not letting him travel back all the time cause it could unsettle is reasonable. However, if you agree on doing X, then when it comes time to deliver you try to change the terms to do Z is just...Just feels like a way of losing out on a lot of business, creating a bad reputation and burning bridges. Not the first time I hear it about us doing this neither. Weird.
 
sourdough satellite said:
While I would love to have Upamecano at United, he would get absolutely slaughtered here for some of his mistakes.
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Given the defenders we've had over the last 6 years, I think he'd become a cult figure within a couple of seasons.
 
diarm said:
The problem is that your best scouts probably have the feeling that loads of guys are going to be worth 50-100 million like this lad. The difference is that you rarely see the former scouts getting paid to mouth off in the Sun about how they told the club to buy Titus Bramble and Anthony Le Tallec.

If you start breaking your youth policy for every young player your scouts rave about, then you don't have a youth policy anymore.
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Preach.

The upamencao as story sounds bad in hindsight, but that's a terrible precedent to set. I bet there's also a tonne of other stories where we've not done this and it's worked out perfectly.
 
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