Day 11: England vs Panama, Japan vs Senegal and Poland vs Colombia

The bumpers between the ITV ad breaks are about an England fan who thinks we'll win the World Cup. It's comic relief because England fans don't actually think we'll win it.

If you take the bluster at face value you completely miss the point.

At the end of the game, you'll almost certainly see Lineker make a comment about 'winning the cup' with a cheeky grin on his face. It won't be serious, but I bet there'll be plenty who'll cry about it being exactly that.
 
Yeah you’re right. Fair play seems a fairly shit way to do it to me.
Fair play is last resort before they flip a coin. Surely it's better than that? Only alternative left is a rematch, which obviously isn't a good idea.
 
Panama celebrating like they actually won the game ffs.



You are wrong. England look better than previous years. Bit suspect in midfield, but most top teams have their own weaknesses in the world cup.

Dier will shield the defense in big games. Ultimately, England could be knocked out but its' wrong to write them off as a flat track bully alone.

So what , their fist ever goal in a WC Finals , what did you want them to do just walk back and say OH Jolly good chaps we scored.
Dont see the problem myself , let the celebrate how they want.
 
Agree completely. And I'm not biased (I'm English).



Wow, fair enough.

Personally I think that although the path to semis is fairly nice for England, I think the knockout round \9Japan or Senegal) will immediately bring a reality check, and the quarters will be as far as we go.

Don't think that person has watched many tournaments with England in their life if this is all it takes to think England are getting to the final.

England could have Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar up front and I'd still be lacking confidence of them progressing past the quarter finals. :lol: They are so mentally weak.
 
Completely understandable. We won it in the first half, why bust a gut in the second? Players will be thinking of saving legs for next games.

Yep, it's also 30 degree heat aswell.

England play on Thursday aswell so shorter recovery time than Belgium.
 
There's no way this doesn't all end in tears for England when they finally come up against a good team (Belgium's reserves don't count). People's expectations will be spiked by this daft scoreline and they'll forget that the defence is shite and the goals have mostly come from poorly-defended set pieces. I could see another 4-1 (or worse) if they play Germany.

Really :rolleyes:

As England fans we rarely get to see our NT perform at such a high level. Try enjoying the moment rather than find fault in it.
 
Shit second half once again, I know the game was won already + the heat and all but slow, sideways rubbish.

On the basis of good chances from open play to be honest this has been pretty even, we've just absolutely hammered them at set plays. Think the Tunisia 1st half performance was actually better as we created more from open-play.

I was up on our chances based on Belgium's defence yesterday but we are rubbish going forward, Belgium will tear us a new arsehole on the evidence so far.

The Rose sub pretty much killed us.

If we would have brought on Rashford I think we would have got that injection of pace and directness to bag a few more
 
Bit disappointed Rashford didn't get any minutes but hey ho. Been a great game from England's point of view. I would drop Sterling for the Belgium game - I'd play Alli, Rashford and Kane as the front three.
 
There's no way this doesn't all end in tears for England when they finally come up against a good team (Belgium's reserves don't count). People's expectations will be spiked by this daft scoreline and they'll forget that the defence is shite and the goals have mostly come from poorly-defended set pieces. I could see another 4-1 (or worse) if they play Germany.

England win 6-1 and you deduce it should be alarm bells that Germany, who are playing terribly poor, will smash them.

Right.
 
Shit second half once again, I know the game was won already + the heat and all but slow, sideways rubbish.

On the basis of good chances from open play to be honest this has been pretty even, we've just absolutely hammered them at set plays. Think the Tunisia 1st half performance was actually better as we created more from open-play.

I was up on our chances based on Belgium's defence yesterday but we are rubbish going forward, Belgium will tear us a new arsehole on the evidence so far.
After that first half , the second half was always going to be shit , no point running around in that heat if you dont have to and we did not have to.
 
Completely understandable. We won it in the first half, why bust a gut in the second? Players will be thinking of saving legs for next games.

Still expecting more than 1-1 in the 2nd half and no proper chances created in 45 minutes. Panama might not be feeling the heat but as a squad we are physically much fitter and they are a pub team, should still be able to carve out some chances.
 
Wow, fair enough.

Personally I think that although the path to semis is fairly nice for England, I think the knockout round \9Japan or Senegal) will immediately bring a reality check, and the quarters will be as far as we go.

England are a lot better than those two teams surely? I don't necessarily even support England so this isn't coming from a biased perspective here. Just think the combination of pace and goals they have will carry them all the way personally.
 
Don't think that person has watched many tournaments with England in their life if this is all it takes to think England are getting to the final.

England could have Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar up front and I'd still be lacking confidence of them progressing past the quarter finals. :lol: They are so mentally weak.
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That's true, but there is definitely something about this England team. A level of confidence and belief that sets them apart from our previous teams over the years. Whether they can sustain this level of performance throughout the competition is up for debate, but at the very least they have proven a great many people wrong. Hardly anyone gave them a chance.

I don't think playing well in the group stages proves anything, personally.

Take 1966 as an example. Only two teams won all three games - Portugal and the Soviet Union. They both lost in the semis to England and Germany respectively, who won 2 and drew 1. In 1954, Hungary finished above Germany in the group stages and beat them 8-3 (!), but lost to them in the final. Uruguay and Austria were the only other teams to win both their group games, and they both went out in the semi-finals.

England's 2nd best World Cup in 1990 saw them draw their first two games, needing a win to get through. The two teams to win all their group games were Brazil and Italy - Brazil got knocked out in the last 16, Italy got knocked out along with England in the semis. On the other hand in 1982, England won all three of their group games and then got knocked out in the 2nd group stage without a win. The only other team to win all their 1st stage group games in 1982 were Brazil, who suffered the same fate as England.

So I think saying they have proven people wrong is getting carried away, because there's nothing to suggest group stage performances translate into anything more than that...and doing well in a group with Tunisia and Panama is not remotely impressive.
 
The Rose sub pretty much killed us.

If we would have brought on Rashford I think we would have got that injection of pace and directness to bag a few more

Rose has been trash for England and arguably Spurs since the last Euro's. Shadow of the player he was 2/3 years ago at the moment.
 
Sorry I missed that. I suppose, but fair play is also based on football.
It’s decided by a referee essentially though. I don’t think it will matter a great deal but it just makes more sense to me. If it makes more sense to do it for a three way tie then I don’t see why it shouldn’t apply in this scenario.