Davinson Sanchez to Spurs | Done subject to medical and work permit

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InLevyITrust said:
Where do you get the extra £28M from match day from? We're
Doubling our capacity? Our match day receipts are currently only £45M. Naming rights, much more corporate space, NFL franchise and more entertainment events will boost revenue. We will still be way behind United but as much as I have to say it, the old WHL really did hold us back financially.
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It's actually 70% increase. The NFL franchise, more entertainment events comes at a cost as you'll most likely pay north of 700m to build it, half of it as a debt.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Where do you get the extra £28M from match day from? We're
Doubling our capacity? Our match day receipts are currently only £45M. Naming rights, much more corporate space, NFL franchise and more entertainment events will boost revenue. We will still be way behind United but as much as I have to say it, the old WHL really did hold us back financially.
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From Tottenham's own projections? You aren't doubling your capacity. Like I've said to Glaston if you can provide actual figures it would be more fruitful than just saying you're suddenly going to be able to spend a lot more. It would be even more helpful to consider the loans that need to be paid back.
 
Enigma_87 said:
It's actually 70% increase. The NFL franchise, more entertainment events comes at a cost as you'll most likely pay north of 700m to build it, half of it as a debt.
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acnumber9 said:
From Tottenham's own projections? You aren't doubling your capacity. Like I've said to Glaston if you can provide actual figures it would be more fruitful than just saying you're suddenly going to be able to spend a lot more. It would be even more helpful to consider the loans that need to be paid back.
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Of course loans will have to be paid back who said otherwise? But any home owner knows that a long term loan doesn't cripple you, we have been working on a net spent for 5-6 seasons. I don't quite know what you getting at.

Match receipts £41m

TV and media £94m

All commercial activities £59m

That's our current income based as of January 2017. Match day revenue will increase dramatically along with comercial and match day revenue. I'm not saying we will become hugely rich but we will have a bigger income and obviously a bigger wage budget. Arsenal'a match day income is over £100M ID say we should be in or around that in the new stadium.

Old Lane = 36K
New Lane = 61K
 
InLevyITrust said:
Of course loans will have to be paid back who said otherwise? But any home owner knows that a long term loan doesn't cripple you, we have been working on a net spent for 5-6 seasons. I don't quite know what you getting at.

Match receipts £41m

TV and media £94m

All commercial activities £59m

That's our current income based as of January 2017. Match day revenue will increase dramatically along with comercial and match day revenue. I'm not saying we will become hugely rich but we will have a bigger income and obviously a bigger wage budget. Arsenal'a match day income is over £100M ID say we should be in or around that in the new stadium.

Old Lane = 36K
New Lane = 61K
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You can't possibly reach 100m on gate based on 70% stadium increase when you are getting 41m now.You can drive ticket prices up, but that would mean less attendance.

Even if we take absolutely the best case scenario of filling 100% of your increased seats that's just 29m increase. You will have more commercial venues, but the maintenance cost would be significantly higher as well.

Say you sell your rights of the stadium for 20-25m per year and you get another 5m net profit from NFL and commercial events you will have 60m increase per season.

From reports your initial expectations for costs were at around 400m to build. After the NFL franchise and other costs you are looking at 750m cost with around 400m in debt.

When you consider interests and a standard 10 year servicing plan I doubt you'll be looking at more than 10-20m net increase in profit which is the absolute best scenario.
 
Enigma_87 said:
You can't possibly reach 100m on gate based on 70% stadium increase when you are getting 41m now.You can drive ticket prices up, but that would mean less attendance.

Even if we take absolutely the best case scenario of filling 100% of your increased seats that's just 29m increase. You will have more commercial venues, but the maintenance cost would be significantly higher as well.

Say you sell your rights of the stadium for 20-25m per year and you get another 5m net profit from NFL and commercial events you will have 60m increase per season.

From reports your initial expectations for costs were at around 400m to build. After the NFL franchise and other costs you are looking at 750m cost with around 400m in debt.

When you consider interests and a standard 10 year servicing plan I doubt you'll be looking at more than 10-20m net increase in profit which is the absolute best scenario.
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Our initial costs weren't based on the current stadium. Match day income is much more than gate takings Arsenals hate recents for basically the same size stadium is bang on £100M. We can get in and around that, why shouldn't we? Why would a new stadium be built, by all people Levy, if we won't benifit in the long run. We are lagging behind the "big" clubs from gate receipts and comercial revenue.

I'm pretty sure ENIC will look to sell once the stadium is comeplete and we're settled in.
 
Sarni said:
OK, if he is better than one but worse than the other, who plays?

Besides, Verthonghen and Alderweireld won't start 50 odd games.
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He's not nearly as good as either of them. They'll start every game they are fit so if they don't get injured they'll start every league and CL game which is at least 44.
 
Snow said:
He's not nearly as good as either of them. They'll start every game they are fit so if they don't get injured they'll start every league and CL game which is at least 44.
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By the looks of things we're gonna starting with 3 at the back this season.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Of course loans will have to be paid back who said otherwise? But any home owner knows that a long term loan doesn't cripple you, we have been working on a net spent for 5-6 seasons. I don't quite know what you getting at.

Match receipts £41m

TV and media £94m

All commercial activities £59m

That's our current income based as of January 2017. Match day revenue will increase dramatically along with comercial and match day revenue. I'm not saying we will become hugely rich but we will have a bigger income and obviously a bigger wage budget. Arsenal'a match day income is over £100M ID say we should be in or around that in the new stadium.

Old Lane = 36K
New Lane = 61K
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Nobody said they don't have to be paid back but when talking about increased income and how it will affect your ability to spend more it needs to be mentioned rather than glossed over.

I've never said or suggested the debt will cripple Spurs. I've merely pointed out that your extra revenue will be used to pay it off. That doesn't quite square with what Glaston was suggesting about Tottenham's ability to increase their wage bill. They may well do but it's unlikely to be big amounts or in the 12 month timelibe he suggested.

It will help Spurs to have two sets of match day revenues though.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Our initial costs weren't based on the current stadium. Match day income is much more than gate takings Arsenals hate recents for basically the same size stadium is bang on £100M. We can get in and around that, why shouldn't we? Why would a new stadium be built, by all people Levy, if we won't benifit in the long run. We are lagging behind the "big" clubs from gate receipts and comercial revenue.

I'm pretty sure ENIC will look to sell once the stadium is comeplete and we're settled in.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...dium-cost-750m-double-original-estimates.html

The proposal also reveals the club expect to generate an additional £28m a year from match days at the new stadium, with the majority coming from the additional corporate hospitality facilities in the new stadium.

Last season Spurs made £44m from match day revenues, £56m lower than the £100m earned by Arsenal.
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InLevyITrust said:
Our initial costs weren't based on the current stadium. Match day income is much more than gate takings Arsenals hate recents for basically the same size stadium is bang on £100M. We can get in and around that, why shouldn't we? Why would a new stadium be built, by all people Levy, if we won't benifit in the long run. We are lagging behind the "big" clubs from gate receipts and comercial revenue.

I'm pretty sure ENIC will look to sell once the stadium is comeplete and we're settled in.
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Of course Spurs will benefit in the long term. We weren't talking about long term though. We were discussing the ultra optimistic short term that was being presented with no mention of the debt that needs serviced.
 
acnumber9 said:
Nobody said they don't have to be paid back but when talking about increased income and how it will affect your ability to spend more it needs to be mentioned rather than glossed over.

I've never said or suggested the debt will cripple Spurs. I've merely pointed out that your extra revenue will be used to pay it off. That doesn't quite square with what Glaston was suggesting about Tottenham's ability to increase their wage bill. They may well do but it's unlikely to be big amounts or in the 12 month timelibe he suggested.

It will help Spurs to have two sets of match day revenues though.
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acnumber9 said:
Of course Spurs will benefit in the long term. We weren't talking about long term though. We were discussing the ultra optimistic short term that was being presented with no mention of the debt that needs serviced.
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I respect my fellow Spurs fan but I appreciate this won't come overnight. I'm quite content with a progression over the next number of seasons. ENIC are an investment group and IMO they well sell us on to a backer within the next 5 years, I'm guessing American due to the NFL link. TBH I don't really know how I feel about that.

Enigma_87 said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sp...dium-cost-750m-double-original-estimates.html
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That article is 3 years old, our stadium has been in the pipeline a lot longer. Simply tell me how Arsenal take £100M on match day with actually a smaller stadium (al be it fractionally) and we can't?
 
I admire the way this thread on a player has somehow turned into an accountancy thread. Spurs threads in here never end up good.
 
InLevyITrust said:
That article is 3 years old, our stadium has been in the pipeline a lot longer. Simply tell me how Arsenal take £100M on match day with actually a smaller stadium (al be it fractionally) and we can't?
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Arsenal tickets are the most expensive in the league.
They also average full capacity whilst you averaged like 31k last year out of 36k capacity.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I respect my fellow Spurs fan but I appreciate this won't come overnight. I'm quite content with a progression over the next number of seasons. ENIC are an investment group and IMO they well sell us on to a backer within the next 5 years, I'm guessing American due to the NFL link. TBH I don't really know how I feel about that.



That article is 3 years old, our stadium has been in the pipeline a lot longer. Simply tell me how Arsenal take £100M on match day with actually a smaller stadium (al be it fractionally) and we can't?
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Well actually it's less than 2 years old but that aside your loan is only paying for part of the stadium. The rest is being financed on advanced ticket sales so the extra revenue is still accounted for.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.fo...ttenham-finally-secure-350m-loan-12819099.amp
 
Enigma_87 said:
Arsenal tickets are the most expensive in the league.
They also average full capacity whilst you averaged like 31k last year out of 36k capacity.
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Did they not have a reduced capacity last season though?
 
acnumber9 said:
Did they not have a reduced capacity last season though?
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We did and we already sold 40k season tickets for Wembley. I have never said we're gonna be mega rich overnight but the stadium is a massive thing for Tottenham.

Enigma_87 said:
Think they had to reduce some seats due to construction works but not sure if/when they actually did it.
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Defeine "some". And also you seem to be asking me for exact numbers but very vague on your rebutles. You make out that our new stadium is of little or no benifit. It's just wierd.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Defeine "some". And also you seem to be asking me for exact numbers but very vague on your rebutles. You make out that our new stadium is of little or no benifit. It's just wierd.
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I'm basing it on some media reports and Spurs expectations, which doesn't seem in line with 100m from gates.

Your new stadium will be of great benefit, but not now but rather after 10 years or so when you service the debts and begin to net all those commercial and gate revenues.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I'm basing it on some media reports and Spurs expectations, which doesn't seem in line with 100m from gates.

Your new stadium will be of great benefit, but not now but rather after 10 years or so when you service the debts and begin to net all those commercial and gate revenues.
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Media reports? Media reports are 90% BS, base it on simple fact. I agree we won't feel the "full" benifit for at least 5-10 years but our structure of sell to buy hasn't changed in 5 or more seasons so I don't see the problem.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Media reports? Media reports are 90% BS, base it on simple fact. I agree we won't feel the "full" benifit for at least 5-10 years but our structure of sell to buy hasn't changed in 5 or more seasons so I don't see the problem.
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Simple facts such as?

The whole argument began when Glaston said Spurs will feel the profit from the new stadium right away as soon as next season. Considering the 70% increase and servicing 400m(or something) debt I can't see how you will have significant boost in wage structure and also spend more on players.

Arsenal from 06' till 13' actually made profit of transfers due to moving to the Emirates. All in all - yes there are big benefits in the new stadium, but to expect to have bigger wage structure and also more to spend on players before 2025 or something sounds unrealistic to me.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Simple facts such as?

The whole argument began when Glaston said Spurs will feel the profit from the new stadium right away as soon as next season. Considering the 70% increase and servicing 400m(or something) debt I can't see how you will have significant boost in wage structure and also spend more on players.

Arsenal from 06' till 13' actually made profit of transfers due to moving to the Emirates. All in all - yes there are big benefits in the new stadium, but to expect to have bigger wage structure and also more to spend on players before 2025 or something sounds unrealistic to me.
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Am I called glaston?
 
Great signing for Spurs. May take a little bit of time to get adjusted to the league, but looks like a very good prospect.
 
ghagua said:
Great signing for Spurs. May take a little bit of time to get adjusted to the league, but looks like a very good prospect.
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We should have been in for this guy. Apparently Howedes is also available for €20m (or is it £)? We should go for him as well. Lovren is crap!!!
 
There's some shite being spouted here in this thread. I think the dislike for Glaston reduces the objectivity of Spurs matters on the forum.

Davinson Sanchez is a fantastic talent. I watched him a few times last season and was blown away by his physical qualities for a 20yo CB. Of course he's raw but with the right coaching he could be a gem for Spurs.

The talk of him being atrocious on the ball is laughable. He is actually a pretty good passer and very good at making driving runs from deep, something that Poch likes in his CBs. Yes Mourinho focused on him but that was more an indictment on Peter Bosz tactics than Sanchez himself.
 
roonster09 said:
Where did this come from?
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Virtually everywhere has reported it -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/17/tottenham-ajax-davinson-sanchez
A first bid worth an initial £25m was rejected but a new offer that will see Spurs pay £28m up front with up to £14m in performance-related bonuses has been agreed in principle.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...sanchez-ajax-transfer-done-deal-a7901066.html
Spurs finally made a breakthrough on Thursday afternoon for a deal for the Colombian centre-back. They will pay £28m for Sanchez as well as a potential extra £14m in add-ons.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...avinson-sanchez-signing-despite-dispute-ajax/
Sources in Holland claim Tottenham will pay around £28million up front and a potential £14m in add-ons to take Sanchez to White Hart Lane.
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roonster09 said:
Where did this come from?
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Spurs finally made a breakthrough on Thursday afternoon for a deal for the Colombian centre-back. They will pay £28m for Sanchez as well as a potential extra £14m in add-ons. The only disagreement between Tottenham and Ajax remains the timing of the payments, with Ajax trying on Thursday to speed up the process faster than was initially planned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...sanchez-42m-million-ajax-latest-a7898976.html.

Levy does love a structured deal and as usual the media love a more sensational headline.
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
Virtually everywhere has reported it -

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/17/tottenham-ajax-davinson-sanchez


http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...sanchez-ajax-transfer-done-deal-a7901066.html


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...avinson-sanchez-signing-despite-dispute-ajax/
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InLevyITrust said:
Spurs finally made a breakthrough on Thursday afternoon for a deal for the Colombian centre-back. They will pay £28m for Sanchez as well as a potential extra £14m in add-ons. The only disagreement between Tottenham and Ajax remains the timing of the payments, with Ajax trying on Thursday to speed up the process faster than was initially planned.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...sanchez-42m-million-ajax-latest-a7898976.html.

Levy does love a structured deal and as usual the media love a more sensational headline.
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Strange BBC just reported it as 42 Million deal breaking previous 30 Million deal.
 
roonster09 said:
Strange BBC just reported it as 42 Million deal breaking previous 30 Million deal.
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Sure they do the same with United deals quoting the total possible amount rather than the initial outlay. Sounds better, gets more people's attention and more clicks online. They aren't outright lying they are just not giving all the information.

Notice the papers @Bale Bale Bale linked too, none are the red tops, they are seen as the more "factual" papers.
 
InLevyITrust said:
Sure they do the same with United deals quoting the total possible amount rather than the initial outlay. Sounds better, gets more people's attention and more clicks online. They aren't outright lying they are just not giving all the information.
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Papers in Netherlands are saying it's 42 Million fixed with 3 Million in add ons.

Papers reporting exact figure looks like a brief from the club.

Telegraaf
Ajax confirmed the departure of Davinson Sanchez to Tottenham Hotspur. The Amsterdam club receives an amount of 42 million euros for the Colombian, which can be up to 45 million bonuses.
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Ajax website
Ajax and Tottenham Hotspur FC have reached an agreement about the transfer of Davinson Sánchez Mina to the English club. A sum of40 million euro is estimated for the transfer, however this figure could potentially reach 42 million euro.
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roonster09 said:
Papers in Netherlands are saying it's 42 Million fixed with 3 Million in add ons.

Papers reporting exact figure looks like a brief from the club.

Telegraaf

Ajax website
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I honestly don't care what the true figure is, I'm sure once the medical and work permit is completed we will hear a more accurate figure.
 
InLevyITrust said:
I honestly don't care what the true figure is, I'm sure once the medical and work permit is completed we will hear a more accurate figure.
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Boycott said:
BBC literally refers to the Guardian link posted above in their opening statement
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Ajax have officially released numbers. 40 Million euros fixed, might reach 42 Million euros.
 
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