Back to France maybe,think he has been there only a year less than De Gea
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Back to France maybe,think he has been there only a year less than De Gea
Going to live in a penalty box on a farm far away.
We aren't getting onana, and Costa will costa a lot o money despite him not being as good as hyped up to be. Ray is a realistic transfer we could make but we won't
So who do you see us signing then
I would point the learned gentleman to our form when Raya was injured last season and compare it to when he returned, he is most definitely not a one season wonder - for context I've watched him home and away for the past four seasons in which has continuously improved each season.
What do you think he needs to improve
I think you are looking at it the wrong way - the fact is that we have signed his replacement already so don't need the cash for that. We have set what we see as fair market value for a player (homegrown don't forget) of his talents and as with all our players we will let them go when we receive an offer that meets our valuation. With the crazy amounts we get from the TV deal, being in the Premier League, we are in a far stronger position financially when it comes to rejecting offers that fall short, put simply we don't need that money as much as we would have done in the Championship. From what I understand the mindset at the club currently is - if we start caving on our model of only selling at the price we have set as fair and reflecting value to us now, we leave ourselves weak in all negotiations moving forward. So at the moment it's 40m or Raya is still with us next season that's the message from the very top of the club.
He can't save a penalty for love nor money so that would be an improvement if he could start to
He can't save a penalty for love nor money so that would be an improvement if he could start to
Well our current no 1 has just saved his first one in 9 years which is telling
Would be a big upgrade for us, but it says more about DDG's level than his I think. I think we should aim higher for our long term keeper.
Completely agree but can we get any of our top 2/3 targets is the big question
No, I'm not looking at it the wrong way, I am being realistic. I'm not saying you need the money for his replacement, I'm saying that you have signed his replacement so his true value to you isn't really the £40m that it may have been if you hadn't yet signed his replacement. That being said, I appreciate that you won't sell him right now unless a club puts £40m on the table, why would you while you've still got clubs with the spending power of Chelsea, Manchester United and Tottenham in the market for a goalkeeper? But the reality is, as those clubs sign other goalkeepers, and as the summer moves on, unless a club has given you the £40m you want now, that his price will begin to drop. And in that £25-30m market there would obviously be more suitors because suddenly clubs like Villa (if Martinez goes which isn't beyond the realms of possibility), West Ham, Forest, Brighton, Everton (if Pickford goes obviously) can pay that kind of money as well as giving him a payrise and he would be an improvement for them. I listened to a Podcast a couple of weeks ago with Phil Giles, where it was reiterated by him that you are still a selling club and no selling club is going to keep a player that they have already replaced, especially when it is a player that is 12 months ago away from being able to leave on a free. I know you don't need the money, far from it, but you also don't need an unhappy player at the club that you've already replaced either and that will factor into the clubs thinking if he's still with you in 6 weeks time.
Not to defend our Dave but I'm pretty sure one of my rare highlights of 21/22 was being in that away end when that fat feck Mark Noble came on to take a penalty in the last second and Dave saved it.
He saved one against West Ham last season.
You've simply misunderstood the way the club operates we aim to bring in replacements before we sell so that will have no bearing on the value we put on Raya just as didn't for when we sold Watkins and Maupay etc etc. Yes we are a selling club but selling at the valuation we have put on the players, nobody is saying we aren't but the price has to be right that's the important part.
I haven't misunderstood anything. If you haven't sold him for £40m by the time the pool of clubs I mentioned have brought goalkeepers in, the price will drop and you'll sell him for £25-30m. Dropping the value you place on a player as time goes on (and as their contract literally get shorter) doesn't make you look weak, it just acknowledges the continually shifting market position in terms of the clubs you are selling to. More than happy to revisit this on 1st September.
100%, that's the million dollar question.
Maignan appears to be the best shout for now, but that feels unrealistic. Onana would be gettable I bet but who knows what the history with ETH is.
Costa looks great on paper but some say he's overrated. I've watched nothing of him outside of the world cup so don't have an opinion there really. Will cost big money no doubt. That youngster Diouf similarly looks good on paper, never seen him play.
I like the look of Leno, Martinez & Raya from the PL but they don't feel like long term world beaters.
Tough one. Please don't buy Pickford.
Give De gea a new contract for season with option of one more season and play in PL games. Buy Raya and play him in Cup games ( UCL, FA etc).
Evaluate next season on the goal keeper and buy Striker, CB and a CM this season.
Not sure but he did say that he wanted to leave and get a new challenge
Martinez would be my choice IF we are unable to get any of those three above
Sorry but this makes no sense. Raya is an established pl goalkeeper who is simply better than de gea at this stage in his career. Why would we commit £30+m of our transfer budget on a keeper to have him as back up. Also if we extend de geas contract it will still be on one of the highest salaries of any keeper in the league.
We just need to buy a keeper soon then let de gea go
Not against him if we can't get any of top 3,however my gut feeling is he joins Spurs anyway
I think Ten hag trusts De gea for a season or two, thats why he says De gea is gonna stay. Our primary target is definitely Centre Forward , then a CB , GK/CM. We will spend most of our budget in CF and CB and wont have much budget for GK. So, spending 25 or 30 m on GK makes sense rather than spending 60m +.
If Raya is good enough I am sure De gea will be phased out, other wise De gea will be No.1 and we can focus on GK next season.
Even if we buy Raya, we should be able to sell him in a season or two if he does not get opportunities. and since transfer fee is low we should be able to recoup most of it. What we are losing are the De Gea wages for this season, but it will also ensure we have 2 good GKs to chose from.
I don't think he's good enough to justify 40 million in his contractual position.
If we were going to spend that then you may as well take that money, top it up, and buy one of the best keepers available. It only makes sense to do this if you're getting a good deal that allows us to go hard on other positions, but 40 isn't a good deal.
If we were going to spend that then you may as well take that money, top it up, and buy one of the best keepers available. It only makes sense to do this if you're getting a good deal that allows us to go hard on other positions, but 40 isn't a good deal.
I really can't imagine someone like raya (or another decent keeper) joining us if de gea stays.
Frankly, if ten hag trusts de gea I question his judgement.
We are unlikely to get any of the most expensive forward targets so there should be funds to use elsewhere in the squad
Rather pay an extra 25m for Costa.
Depends if we’re signing Kane or not. If we’re signing Kane then that’s most of the budget gone and we’d have to settle for a cheaper GK. if we don’t get Kane and get Hojmund instead then that’s only 40m on a ST and we should be going for Costa at 65m, them 2 players will probably cost the same amount as Kane, so that’s the option we should go for and get 2 positions we desperately need to upgrade.
I don't think we're signing Kane though, are we? The possibility looks pretty remote, at least to me. They don't want to sell to us. Not Harry Kane and what he represents to Tottenham, it's a bit different than selling Carrick or Berbatov.
So it makes sense to upgrade other positions as well as we possibly can with fewer compromises. Raya looks a compromise to me. One that kind of makes sense if there's a deal to be had or like you say, if there's a financial need to secure other signings, but I think we're just looking at a normal market value for a good PL keeper. But he's not an elite keeper or even close.
Yeah that seems a more sound strategy
I rather have those 2 than Kane tbh.
Ideally we get Costa & Kane,however think the chances of that are pretty slim
I remember when we bought De Gea the cheaper option was Stekelenburg. But we made the right choice, paid up, and got De Gea for over 10 years.
We should do the same with Costa/Maignan/Onana. Raya's short passing game is not good enough.
We should do the same with Costa/Maignan/Onana. Raya's short passing game is not good enough.
Yeah completely agree
Agree which is why i think it will be summer of 2024. Striker and no8 is more pressing need.
So personal terms agreed with spurs, lets see if levy can drive the price down (i doubt it).
Why are we not in for Raya? Maybe I've just watched games when he's had a good one. Great distribution and looks very smooth on the line.
The odds on him signing have dropped massively to around evens. Of all the players linked, the only one more likely to join, according to the bookies, is Mason Mount.
Being priced out of a move it seems
Have a feeling that De Gea will want to stay and we buy Raya for 30m to compete with him.
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