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David Moyes West Ham Manager | Gone (pedantic sod Sarni)
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Give it up for the Moyes fan in the house!
Well i dont really agree with that theory personally though it is possible. But Pogba didnt have second thoughts about joining United just because we signed a relative unknown like Bailly first.
But more importantly thats not the reason we didnt activate Fellainis release clause in July and sign him first. Moyes himself has said why he didnt want to sign him first.
Strange in your last post you indicated the opposite.
He was an unrealistic target in 2013 because he had been speaking to Real for months and was a long way down the road to moving there. Plus David Moyes was the man trying to sign him, which isnt really an attractive prospect for any player never mind a guy who has the chance to move to Real.Thats what made it almost impossible.
The fact that we still havent signed him years later only proves how difficult a deal it would be to pull off.
Have you got any examples of other managers in/around the same tier as Moyes in terms of quality and reputation, who have claimed they could do any job in the world?
I remember Allardyce saying something about managing Real Madrid, and everyone laughed then too, quite rightly.
Only the Caf where everyone shits on someone for no reason can make me become a "fan" of an average manager like Moyes.
I enjoy the toing and froing with you good to have a discussion with someone sensible ( not always the case on this forum ) I respect your views and thoughts .
I'm no major fan of Moyes just think that he gets vile vitriol from some posters when in my view he got made an offer he couldn't refuse and was found wanting . I think the experience nearly destroyed him and he became a shadow of the manager he was at Everton .
If he fails at West Ham I won't have any sleepless nights but as an ex United manager ( though not a very good one ) I wish him well
Will watch out for your posts
Cheers
Moyes insisted on a double deal with Fellaini and Baines, due to his supposed insight into his former club, he insisted on this approach. Only after it became clear Everton would not sell both, even though this was their stance from the beginning (Moyes thought he knew best) did Fellaini’s release clause expire. Then after getting nowhere with anyone else did he panic and go back in at the very last minute and had to pay £4.5m more than if he bought the guy a couple of months earlier.
This was all down to Moyes and his misguided strategy, along with chasing unobtainable targets - his transfer window was a disaster, and his own doing.
This was all down to Moyes and his misguided strategy, along with chasing unobtainable targets - his transfer window was a disaster, and his own doing.
Well he's spoken enough shit about the club since leaving so what can he expect really. No idea how anyone can or would want to defend him.
Inevitable defeat tonight for Moyes, after shouting his mouth off following three decent results 
Inevitable defeat tonight for Moyes, after shouting his mouth off following three decent results
They (Moyes and West Ham) weren't even bothered tonight. Bit weird to criticise him for that. The league is what he'll be ultimately judged on.
He does get abuse mate, from me as much as anyone (probably more) and it might seem excessive to a casual observer. But again and this really does seem to be a common misconception. The vast majority on here don't dislike the guy for failing at United. I have no problem with him or anyone taking the United job if offered, feck it if for some reason i was offered the job i'd take it even though i know i have would have no business being in the position. He tried and failed (miserably) fair enough. But if he'd shown a bit of class during and after and managed to keep his mouth shut for more than a month since. Then by now most United fans would have probably forgotten about him.
But he hasn't and anyone who has followed him for the last few years and keeps up with his interviews and quotes have lots of more understandable reasons for not liking the guy. People dislike Moyes personality for a start, his smugness, throwing others under the bus, failing to take responsibility for anything, speaking about himself in the third person. And probably most of all his delusional arrogance of his own abilities based on nothing thats actually happened in reality. He thinks he's a champions league level manager despite never actually managing to qualify for the competition, not even when he took over a team who qualified almost 20 years in a row.
Thud. Reality smacks old mate Moyesy again.
Some couldn’t wait to bump this thread it seems
Benitez is a better tactician, but Moyes has still done well with West Ham the past few weeks.
Their next fixtures, incredibly, are almost all against fellow relegation scrappers...
Bournemouth (A)
West Brom (A)
Spuds (A)
Huddersfield (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Palace (H)
Brighton (A)
Watford (H)
At the end of that run it'll be clear whether Moyes has kept them up.
My instinct is that he will.
Their next fixtures, incredibly, are almost all against fellow relegation scrappers...
Bournemouth (A)
West Brom (A)
Spuds (A)
Huddersfield (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Palace (H)
Brighton (A)
Watford (H)
At the end of that run it'll be clear whether Moyes has kept them up.
My instinct is that he will.
It was bound to happen. He also cannot forget United. Big Sam said something else. He said if his name was Allidirci he may have got better offers from bigger clubs.
I take no pleasure in West Ham losing to all of the people Rafa but Moyes after his comment of able to manage any club in the World has landed back on Earth.
I take no pleasure in West Ham losing to all of the people Rafa but Moyes after his comment of able to manage any club in the World has landed back on Earth.
He was greeted with a bit of a horror run, and did ok with it, so now he gets some more 'winnable' games.
There again you'd argue Newcastle at home would have been good for him. It'll be interesting to see if he can get his lads up for trench warfare as easily as he can get them up for Mission Impossible against the likes of Chelsea.
The irony is that if Allardyce was actually a foreign manager, he wouldn't have gotten half the jobs he's got as a manager in this country...
Indeed. It's a really interesting run, and like you say, watching the shift in psychology that they'll have to make after their recent 'glamour club' run will be key to whether he turns them around or not.
Sam said that during a period where his stock was high but some very ordinary foreign managers were getting jobs and then getting sacked. Sam has only got jobs where there is a relegation battle going on and Everton is the first decent team he has been appointed as a Manager.
As for Moyes i wonder whom he blamed today for the loss. I bet it is Ayew and I agree with him as he kept missing those a lot now.
You are of course forgetting the moment that he was given the England National team manager's job...
Allardyce has enjoyed a charmed career within English football that he should not be complaining about.
Sven or Capello would never have got such longevity of opportunities here and both are/were far superior managers who did a far better job with the England team.
Foreign managers like Flores, Silva, Puel, Ranieri come into the PL and take over lower league sides and then excel with them.
To all those Managers who were successful, there were many failures too. Sam is not a top class manager but he is a very solid manager who can save many clubs from relegation. His England tenure was only game and then they got rid of him and to be honest he did not do anything that was sackable. The current suits at FA has done much more stuff than Sam but they are still there.
So if he gets Everton to play better he has got a chance.
So if he gets Everton to play better he has got a chance.
Moyes adores being the underdog, so fair play at least for his last few performances against the bigger teams. He even got our shambles of a side to put in a half decent effort against Pep's Bayern in Munich when everyone thought we'd lose 5-0.
But no surprises he has lost today against a side they should be beating at home in a relegation scrap. He probably spent the week watching replays of the Chelsea game and guiding United to glory on FM.
But no surprises he has lost today against a side they should be beating at home in a relegation scrap. He probably spent the week watching replays of the Chelsea game and guiding United to glory on FM.
Yeah, I rate Allardyce as a good mid-table manager, and I like him.
But it's bullshit to suggest he (or any English managers) get hard done by in the PL.
I'm English btw, and have no bias either way on this.
But it's bullshit to suggest he (or any English managers) get hard done by in the PL.
I'm English btw, and have no bias either way on this.
He beat Newcastle 2-0 today. The players lost 3-0.
Sam's comment was mostly to do with the big clubs in Europe and England. Not that he or other English managers do not get jobs. He said if his name was Allidirci he probably would have been the manager of a top four club. He was asked a question if he would not love to manage a top club and that was his comment. He said it was a joke as well.
Credit to him for turning Arnautovic into a goalscorer
How on earth has he woken Arnautovic up?
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42504657
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Good Enough for Leipzig, 2nd in the Bundesliga last season & doing well this... But not good enough for West Ham. Struggling this season, with the possibility of championship football next season.
Mental
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they've had so many prospects go on to become great players to world class over the last 15 years - defoe, lampard, ferdinand, joe cole, carrick etc. Must drive them nuts to see their top young talents getting sold off on the cheap and lament the next 10 years as these players go on to fulfill their potential whilst west ham yoyo up and down the pl and championship.
We should have given this genius more time.
Their squad is top 10 material - saving WHU from relegation isn't really a miracle.
Steady on.
Found his level. Kind of amazed that they've not imploded. Credit to him, I guess.
We sacked him way too early.
Agreed. In fact tell Jose to sod off and give him another 6 years.
Fellaini to retire and become assistant manager
West Ham are having a terrible season they are 6 places lower and 7 points worse off than they were at this stage last season. But Moyes isn't 7 points worse off he's doing great.
I underestimated him, he is actually not that shit.
feck me I just checked that James McLean scored.
Moyes have turned things around. Got the win over Chelsea that gave them momentum. They got some quality in that squad, but he has set it up better than Bilic. Someone like Caroll is very suited to Moyes type of football so that they get along well you would think. A lot are still left from Big Sam. Don't trust them to do great things, but to manage clubs in the middle of the league Moyes does quite well. It is his level and it suits him. So I think they will stay in the middle now and probably stay up.
He did well with Everton. He is not a winner of big trophies, but he seem to be a good manager for midtable club like Big Sam. The football might be simple and not fun to watch, but it gets enough results to avoid falling down.
He totally failed here and got a bit broken after it. Although might have found his level again. Can still be deluded and thinking he can do better than this, but might accept it a bit more.