SER19
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Like solskjaer, if he was tasked with top 4 every year at United he'd probably do it but he wasn't capable of upping his game to be number 1.
And they were unlucky against us as well. Man City could have even been a draw had they got the rub of the green.
Ah if I could be petty enough to find all who ridiculed me for defending moyes.
This manager got 7 months when Ole got 3 years. Football I tell ya.
People who claim Moyes is a nothing manager are the same who think Ole's a nothing manager.
Both good manager to varying degree's who've found out that United's ambitions are just too big for them.
People who claim Moyes is a nothing manager are the same who think Ole's a nothing manager.
Both good manager to varying degree's who've found out that United's ambitions are just too big for them.
People who claim Moyes is a nothing manager are the same who think Ole's a nothing manager.
Both good manager to varying degree's who've found out that United's ambitions are just too big for them.
I’ld actually take him back and give him another crack at it if it came to it
He did a lot wrong here but in hindsight, when you consider all that occurred under Woodward you start to wonder how much of it was his fault and whether we should have stuck with him then. The fatal mistake was to waste the summer of 2013 but like I said, how much of it was really his fault and what part of the blame belongs with Woodward and his d**k swinging antics?The guy is a very good manager. He just came at United at the wrong time. The mission was impossible back then imo.
Yes, I hated him and wanted him sacked back then, but the more time passes, the more I think he didn't get half the chance and time other managers after him got. The squad he inherited were champions alright, but anyone who thinks it didn't need a lot of work for the future after SAF retired are kidding themselves, and following a legendary manager as SAF was an impossible mission.
Part of me is glad he has made a great comeback to his career and is now getting praised everywhere. He deserves it. He's a very good manager and also comes around as a decent person.
Tbf just getting top4 in season 1 and he gets season 2Like solskjaer, if he was tasked with top 4 every year at United he'd probably do it but he wasn't capable of upping his game to be number 1.
Tbf just getting top4 in season 1 and he gets season 2
He let everton finish above us
In terms of tactical awareness and football knowledge, he is.
Where Moyes falls short is his celebrity status and coolness factor. He can't convince a dressing room full of massive egos and prima donnas who used to be the most popular kids in school that he's the main man they should be looking up to.
Football management isn't like in the video games. It's not simply about having the right brain. It's mostly about projecting the right image. The rest comes down to competent spending and clever coaching - though the big names aren't exactly unique in having that. But even those same big names fail eventually when their squads get tired of old coaching methods and the original charm of the manager's charisma fades (which is exactly what happened to Klopp and Tuchel at Dortmund, Pochettino at Spurs and Mourinho everywhere).
Moyes can go toe to toe with any of them on purely football terms. It's his lack of a 'baller' reputation that precedes him. That's why it's so difficult for a managers to make make it in England unless they've previously made it in another country. It's too competitive in the PL for anybody to build a reputation at the top... without already proving themselves at the top. They're stuck in a catch 22.
If Moyes had done his current job with a German, Dutch, French or Italian team, he would have probably won a few cups or maybe even leagues there. And then if he'd moved to United afterwards, he'd have been much more accepted by the players and fans. Kind of like what happening right now with Ralf Ragnick.
I disagree - Moyes is a decent coach for smaller teams. His first concern is to nullify the opponents' weapons, "place a player where the opponent star player tends to pick up the ball", "organize the team on corners", "make it difficult for them" if you will. All sensible stuff for a team like West Ham or Everton, but never enough for a club like United where he's expected to play an expansive football, take-it-to-the-opponent approach and outplay the opposition 95% of the time. Also, his approach while being sensible (and nothing wrong with that) is hardly earth shattering or innovative to inspire United, Milan, PSG, Bayern etc to take a chance on him, there's a dime a dozen coaches like him on the continent at the moment.
I wonder if a bigger club will ever take a ping on him again
Probably not but he’s done a fantastic job at west ham
People who claim Moyes is a nothing manager are the same who think Ole's a nothing manager.
Both good manager to varying degree's who've found out that United's ambitions are just too big for them.
Was he appointed on the 22nd of September?
People who claim Moyes is a nothing manager are the same who think Ole's a nothing manager.
Both good manager to varying degree's who've found out that United's ambitions are just too big for them.
I remember you being a big supporter of JoMo at the start of his tenure. A lot of people put down Moyes to big up Mou's work. Kudos to you for changing your opinion since then. Lot's of folks here flake out when their opinions turn out to be wrong in the long run.The guy is a very good manager. He just came at United at the wrong time. The mission was impossible back then imo.
Yes, I hated him and wanted him sacked back then, but the more time passes, the more I think he didn't get half the chance and time other managers after him got. The squad he inherited were champions alright, but anyone who thinks it didn't need a lot of work for the future after SAF retired are kidding themselves, and following a legendary manager as SAF was an impossible mission.
Part of me is glad he has made a great comeback to his career and is now getting praised everywhere. He deserves it. He's a very good manager and also comes around as a decent person.
Based on their managerial skill Ole does not fit to lace Moyes's shoes. Thats' how big the gap of their skill. It's like comparing Declan Rice to a random championship midfielder.What a ridiculous statement.
In the grand scheme of things, even with his man united failure Moyes is one of the very few elite managers in the world.
Heck Steve Bruce, Tony Pulis, mark Hughes and Sam Allardyce are few elite managers who have had long successful stints at premier league clubs.
Ole Gunnar sokjaer is probably never gonna get a premier league job again. He'd be lucky to stay in a championship role
I don't know why people want to rewrite history and his time with ManUtd. He was shit for us and got sacked, which he deserved. He is very good manager for Everton and West Ham. Maybe that's what he is comfortable with, clubs at that level. That doesn't mean he was good for us or will be good for us.
Aren't you the person who said he achieved nothing with Everton
I remember you being a big supporter of JoMo at the start of his tenure. A lot of people put down Moyes to big up Mou's work. Kudos to you for changing your opinion since then. Lot's of folks here flake out when their opinions turn out to be wrong in the long run.
The post Gill administration has been learning through trial and error with each manager. Mou had more resources than LVG and LVG had it better than Moyes. They let him down the most in the transfer market. SAF was working his magic on a squad with a poor midfield, and held together by the ageing legs of RVP and Ferdinand. The management was wrongly confident that them not bowing to the manager's transfer demands, like they did previously with SAF, would just force the manager to get the best out of players like Cleverly.
Buying Fellaini for more than his release clause is prime Woody incompetence. Every person on the Caf knew about the urgent need for midfield signings that summer, and the best Woody could get was 1 midfielder on the last day of the window. I don't buy that Moyes stopped the Thiago transfer. Thiago was moving out of his boyhood club and he would always feel more secure about his future working under a Barsa legend like Pep (who always gave him his debut), over any other manager.
Coming after SAF was always going to be a challenge for any manager. It was just doubly hard for Moyes coming from Everton.
That's fair, but it seems like he was forced to go for Fellaini in the end, because Woodward failed getting the other midfield targets like Strootman.That one was apparently down to Moyes not wanting Fellaini to be his first signing because he thought it would put too much pressure on him, which he was probably right about.
That's fair, but it seems like he was forced to go for Fellaini in the end, because Woodward failed getting the other midfield targets like Strootman.
Are you implying that Fellaini was Moyes' top target, and Moyes found the last day of the transfer window the most opportune time to sign Fellaini, a few months after his release clause expired?Forced
Are you implying that Fellaini was Moyes' top target, and Moyes found the last day of the transfer window the most opportune time to sign Fellaini, a few months after his release clause expired?
My point is that a lot of things were/are broken at United, to simplify Moyes' failure here as him being just not good enough. Managers with better pedigree than him have failed since, spending significantly more. I'm of the opinion that Moyes might've had a different impact if he came in 2018, and got to spend 450 million pounds on top of the squad which Mou left. Let's agree to disagree if you think that is re-writing the history.I'm saying that you seemingly have a big need to re-write history.
My point is that a lot of things were/are broken at United, to simplify Moyes' failure here as him being just not good enough. Managers with better pedigree than him have failed since, spending significantly more. I'm of the opinion that Moyes might've had a different impact if he came in 2018, and got to spend 450 million pounds on top of the squad which Mou left. Let's agree to disagree if you think that is re-writing the history.
That's fair, but it seems like he was forced to go for Fellaini in the end, because Woodward failed getting the other midfield targets like Strootman.
Hard disagree. United management was accustomed to being successful while under-investing in the squad under SAF. Any summer with big incoming transfers was always to be offset by outgoings to balance the books. This continued to be a case until LVG's last season. You can look at the net spend from 2004-2015 and compare it with the title rivals like Chelsea or City. LVG has spoken about struggling to sign his top target and having to settle with third/fourth choices. It wasn't until Mou, that United 'started doing things other clubs can only dream about'.The well known summer of “urgent transfer business” is to a large extent down to Moyes.
He’s quoted, several times, about how he didn’t want Fellaini to be his first big signing at United because he felt it would send the wrong signals. He was the manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world and that was his concern, bizarre. He‘s also quoted, again and again, on the Importance of signing quality players, why it was right to continue to push for Fabregas. What was Woodward supposed to do? Force Moyes to abandon the idea of signing Fabregas, when Moyes insisted on the importance of doing everything to sign him? The hindsight here is amazing, because it sure as shit wouldn’t have been taken lightly if that had been leaked. We signed Fellaini, last minute, because that was the only player Moyes wanted that was actually available. The price was no concern, and could have easily been spent any time during the transfer window if only Moyes had given his approval. If Moyes came up with names of players that were actually interested in leaving their current club, odds are we would’ve signed them.
Not sure about the specifics, but can't argue that Moyes contributed to his failures as well. IMO the big failure for Moyes was him coming from Everton and not having the winning pedigree which the United squad had. The players were always going to compare him to Fergie. With his background, him coming in and introducing wholesale changes moving away from Fergie's setup just made matters worse for him.Moyes never should have accepted the job. He came in after his holidays, never really seemed to grasp the size of the job and club. He didn’t have a clear plan for anything, which resulted in essentially trying everything to see if something would work. Our 81 crosses against Fulham is still one of the worst things I’ve ever seen. One day he’s going for as many crosses as possible, the next day he’s trying possession football, then off to something else again.
Hard disagree. United management was accustomed to being successful while under-investing in the squad under SAF. Any summer with big incoming transfers was always to be offset by outgoings to balance the books. This continued to be a case until LVG's last season. You can look at the net spend from 2004-2015 and compare it with the title rivals like Chelsea or City. LVG has spoken about struggling to sign his top target and having to settle with third/fourth choices. It wasn't until Mou, that United 'started doing things other clubs can only dream about'.
Not sure about the specifics, but can't argue that Moyes contributed to his failures as well. IMO the big failure for Moyes was him coming from Everton and not having the winning pedigree which the United squad had. The players were always going to compare him to Fergie. With his background, him coming in and introducing wholesale changes moving away from Fergie's setup just made matters worse for him.