No one is shutting down debate. But you do have to make the case as to what you know about Luiz that the likes of Conte and Abramovich don't, that proves why they shouldn't drop millions of pounds on him for a 2nd time no less. When posters harp on these self-reinforcing group think themes about certain players like Luiz, Rooney, et al - what they are actually saying is "I know better than Conte and Mourinho", so the question then becomes, what do you know about these players that the managers and owners who are dropping millions on them don't. That's the core issues here.
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No one is shutting down debate. But you do have to make the case as to what you know about Luiz that the likes of Conte and Abramovich don't, that proves why they shouldn't drop millions of pounds on him for a 2nd time no less. When posters harp on these self-reinforcing group think themes about certain players like Luiz, Rooney, et al - what they are actually saying is "I know better than Conte and Mourinho", so the question then becomes, what do you know about these players that the managers and owners who are dropping millions on them don't. That's the core issues here.
I've seen several regular Serie A watchers say he was one of the best LB's in the league last season.
If you're saying we shouldn't post opinions that make it look like we know more than managers then you may as well delete 90% of this site.
Did you miss the first sentence in my last post ?
I done the exact same
Surprisingly, I've probably made about £200 off betting on Transfers.
NOT looking promising right now!
#bobbackOn one hand, he is an annoying cnut who I was happy to see the back of out of the league, but on the other he always reminds me of this and number 19 :
:Look, hes an ok defender. Very good at his best, with the pretty frequent blunder that makes him look horrible. Overall I think Chelsea could be doing better, and I guess Conte does too as we're still debating this on transfer day after you've failed to land a whole list of CBs. I get that he's the type of player to compliment terry or cahill, but I just think he's too inconsistent and more often than not calamitous to be a considered a top CB. In the very least it wont be boring.
Better player than Stones anyway.
He improved a lot apparently, so i dont expect him to be the same average player. Lets see
He is fast, has a good technique and he is good at man-marking. Sometimes he seems to struggle in zonal which is the system used by Mourinho and could explain why he sold him.
Don't see how this is an issue but the Stones signing is good business.. There virtually the same player except Luiz actually can score the spectacular!
I think that is a little unfair. Are you suggesting no Manager ever made a mistake? Every transfer has its risks and not everyone works. You do due diligence, scout and assess but it can still go wrong. United have had Kleberson, Dejemba Dejemba and Anderson to name a few. Look at City and all the money they have spent. Has it all worked out?
No that's not what I'm suggesting - what I am suggesting is that when you claim to know a lot about a player to where you turn your criticisms of him into an ongoing daily agenda/narrative then you are tacitly saying you know more than the managers, scouts, and owners who consistently buy them do. So now you face the additional burden of explaining what you know about the player that multiple clubs, owners, and managers don't. It's a deeper more nuanced way of saying there are inconsistencies between perceptions of group think internet punters who think they know it all and the managers, scouts, owners who actually spend millions buying certain players like Luiz.
Mistakes happen of course but the likes of Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, Blanc and now Conte have all either signed or regularly played Luiz. You can't lump him in with the likes of Kleberson.
Also look at it from Roman's standpoint. He has now bought Luiz twice.
Good business I'd say. Not their first choice and not quite elite level, but at this stage getting a player of his quality who wouldn't need settling down much is good.
Haha he's absolutely shite and I'm amazed there are people in here saying "good business". On the positive they won't do anything with that clown at the back.
How many teams brought Balotelli. Do I know that he is a flawed character that should never see the inside of a major club dressing room? Yes. Did I know that he was a flawed character who should not have seen the inside of a major clubs dressing room before Liverpool brought him? Yes.
Managers have big egos the bigger the manager the bigger the ego. They all think they can get more out of a player than his last manager did.
The question has to be asked why in a window where prices are going through the roof PSG are willing to sell Luiz for a 33% loss?
We won the champions league, FA cup and Europa league with that clown at the back. I'd take that again!
I do not disputing any of that, I just felt your comment was a bit flippant. Some posters do have genuine concerns about him, and I felt you were dismissing these concerns.
Bought for 21.3m first time around. Rumoured to be 32m this time around. Sold for 50m first time. Tbh I don't think he'd be that arsed about David costing him 3.3m in total.
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Edit: That is shit. The title is much better
And they all sold him. I just felt the initial point was a bit flippant and dismissive of genuine concerns about him.
Its not just the price, its the asset of having him play for his side. If he was as horrible as some here make him out to be, he would not consciously make an effort to bring him back.
Why would a United fan have concerns about Chelsea buying David Luiz ?
They didn't all sell him. Only Mourinho did, and that for for a world record figure.
Probably as you say because managers have egos and think they can rehabilitate certain players. Luiz is obviously not anything similar to Balotelli.
He is capable of putting in some of the worst performances you will ever see from a professional footballer.
But also capable of being decent as well.
This is happening because they literally cannot get anyone else this transfer window, and no other reason.
But also capable of being decent as well.
This is happening because they literally cannot get anyone else this transfer window, and no other reason.
I think the only people not happy with this deal are Sky Sports, because it's happened about 3 hours too early.
And he was decent under all of them. Dont be naive to think he has not improved at all since leaving the EPL
Very accurate description. One of those bizarre players who I class as utter dogshit yet for some reason has the potential to improve Chelsea.
His performance for Brazil at the last World Cup, particularly the 7-1, was one of the worst I've ever seen from a professional footballer (and one costing 50mil).
Never has there been worse decision making than what Sideshow is capable of.
No but he does have his faults. He was known for very poor concentration levels and positional awareness when he was at Chelsea last time. I repeat if he has gotten over those faults why are PSG willing to take a £16m hit on him given that prices have risen dramatically this year?
No, you're saying "debate ... but only if you can prove you know more than the manager."
Seems a bit silly.
Guardian reporting the fee as an "initial" 38 million pounds.
This signing just seems rather random, particularly the timing on deadline day and given that Chelsea have reportedly been pursuing younger, cheaper options. Will he be first choice? And why are PSG willing to sell?
This signing just seems rather random, particularly the timing on deadline day and given that Chelsea have reportedly been pursuing younger, cheaper options. Will he be first choice? And why are PSG willing to sell?
That's easily flipped on its head by asking why are Chelsea buying him. The reasons are obviously more complex than "he has his faults". Its likely Conte wants to utilize him in a certain way that he thinks will benefit his overall strategy this year.
An uglier, larger, less talented version of our Daley Blind, the more I think about it.
Could be a good signing. If there is someone who can improve him it's Conte.
We can only see how it goes. Maybe Conte can get what he wants out of him but I'm not holding my breath.
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