Are you going to make the same argument as to why Carroll is worth £35m?[/QUOTE]
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Surely not. This would qualify as one of the most hilarious transfer u-turns in a long time.
I dont want him in the PL, another cnut more in the league and especially at Chelsea. I am sick of his antics.
The Prem needs sideshow Bob back.
I can safely say this definitely isn't happening.
Without Ibra that PSG 'project' really doesn't look all that great anymore!
No, other than him we have Thiago Silva, Marquinhos who is 22 and Kimpembe 21 yo from the academy, talented but still inexperienced. Aurier can also be a backup.
Still David Luiz is much better than he gets credit for on here. He has ups and downs but shit he is definitely not.
He doest get caught out as much in Ligue 1 as he did in the Premier League.
WTF,Panic buy ?
Too late even if they wanted this to happen. PSG wont find a replacement in time.
No. Usually you have a tough tackling CB and a good "ball playing" CB. All the best teams in the world have had it...
Vidic and Rio
Puyol and Pique
Pepe and Ramos
Silva and Luiz
Luiz was worth the 50m more than Sterling and Stones were. This is a player who's been in the World XI and is generally one of the most well known names in the game. Like it or not, he's a big player and would start for most sides.
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You can't compare David Luiz to Andy fecking Carroll surely? Carroll is English and in form and Liverpool were desperate. That's the reason.
Definitely not happening then.
Thinking about it, I'd not mind if he comes back. He knows the club, most of the players and is good on the ball.
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Now, Ogbonna on the other hand, that sounds like it could have legs.
I've actually changed my mind, I want Luiz back.
There is not a ball playing centre back there
He got into the world XI after he made that record transfer and to add to that, there was no way on earth Luiz should have been on there. But yeah he's one of those players that gets more stick than he deserves. I don't rate him as a CB, due to his poor positional sense, but he was always a real problem for us when he played as a CDM for Chelsea.
Ramos.
Ramos passing is diabolical , remenber his performances in the deep lying midfield role ?
Remember Ferdinand's
You're honestly judging his passing over the past 13 years or so on the one time he played as a DM?
Does the French transfer window end tomorrow as well?
You're honestly judging his passing over the past 13 years or so on the one time he played as a DM?
No no , that just highlighted how bad it was , in that position he was fully responsible for distribution in the middle and attacking third , whereas when he plays CB he plays the ball to Pepe/ varane , the full backs or gives it to Kroos/ Modric . Ball playing defenders can complete long passes with almost perfect accuracy , and whilst Ramos doesn't attempt that many as a CB ( I'm sure there's a 4 minute YouTube video where he plays some nice passes ) his move into that position just highlighted how incapable he is of being a ball playing defender .
I mean.....we in glass houses
You can't compare David Luiz to Andy fecking Carroll surely? Carroll is English and in form and Liverpool were desperate. That's the reason.[/QUOTE]
No, usually you have two centre backs who can actually defend. One of them may be more talented on the ball but he still has to do the basics. Pique and Ferdinand are far better defenders and Ramos is better as well though I do think he is overrated and far too rash at times. Aside from Chelsea, Arsenal and maybe City he wouldn't start for any other top side in Europe. The fact that he would start for those sides says more about their lack of options than any outstanding quality on his part.
I'm not disputing the idea that Luiz is good on the ball but he's a poor defender. Not really sure what Stones and Sterling have to do with this as both of them were far younger at the time they moved and are English therefore they are obviously going to cost a lot. Sterling is also an attacker so it's impossible to compare.
As for the well known part, just no.
Cant see PSG selling unless they have a replacement lined up, they are not going to weaken their squad just because Chelsea are trying to buy every defender they can think of last minute.
This would be ridiculous. How anyone rates him, I've no idea. Plus he come across as an annoying wanker too. Certainly won't be worried if this is Chelsea's big defensive signing.
Put any "ball playing" CB at CDM and most would struggle. Completely different positions.
Except Luiz can defend. His trophy cabinet proves that.
So what constitutes a ball playing CB for you ? Passing sideways and giving it to your ball playing midfielder really doesn't cut it . They should in essence be creating goalscoring opportunities , and Sergio Ramos doesn't really get many assists
And le parisien confirmed it. Seems to have legs
A ball playing CB has nothing to do with any offensive statistics. To me, it's just a player who can carry the ball out from deep, is super comfortable on the ball, and can dribble out of trouble if necessary. All of which Ramos does well.
Stones and Luiz are examples. I'm struggling to think of any CB's who regularly create chances. Boateng, maybe?
Splash the cash, Emanalo. Luiz versus Zlatan, Rashford, Martial and Mkhi
Ramos (rashness aside) manages to do that very well. Stones and Luiz dont. Both of them try to play on the front foot and get themselves caught out of position off the ball and run themselves into trouble on it. Stones has time to learn, Luiz doesnt.
He was never good enough at defending to be a top CB, but he was also never good enough on the ball to be a DM. At least in a decent league.
Our own Daley Blind is a good example of a CB who creates a lot of chances.
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People here seriously act like David Luiz is fecking Jolean Lescott or something. Just an utterly shit player.Splash the cash, Emanalo. Luiz versus Zlatan, Rashford, Martial and Mkhi
His reputation is definitely exposing people who haven't watched him much. He can have a bunch of solid matches in a row and no one will notice and then have one howler and everyone will say he's shit.
He's super underrated by everyone it seems. Is he prime Rio Ferdidnand or John Terry? Of course not. But he's far better than most here are saying. He's not going to shit the bed against top opponents.
I'd have him as one of the Top 10 CBs in the world to be honest. From a neutral perspective, he is one of my favourite players to watch.People here seriously act like David Luiz is fecking Jolean Lescott or something. Just an utterly shit player.
His reputation is definitely exposing people who haven't watched him much. He can have a bunch of solid matches in a row and no one will notice and then have one howler and everyone will say he's shit.
He's super underrated by everyone it seems. Is he prime Rio Ferdidnand or John Terry! Of course not. But he's far better than most here are saying. He's not going to shit the bed against top opponents.
Luckily, if Luiz were to come back here he'd have plenty of cover if he gets into trouble. Kante sits so deep that he's essentially another CB and we also have Matic and Oscar in the middle of the pitch.
I'm not really for or against bringing him back, tbh. As long as Conte is the one who wants him and not just the board. Anything is better than having to rely on Cahill all season.
People here seriously act like David Luiz is fecking Jolean Lescott or something. Just an utterly shit player.
His reputation is definitely exposing people who haven't watched him much. He can have a bunch of solid matches in a row and no one will notice and then have one howler and everyone will say he's shit.
He's super underrated by everyone it seems. Is he prime Rio Ferdidnand or John Terry! Of course not. But he's far better than most here are saying. He's not going to shit the bed against top opponents.
'You don't agree with my opinion of a player, therefore, you must not have watched him much'
Err... okay
I have to be honest he's underrated here. Name any defender, even legends like Baresi, and they've had bad games. Thing is I've never seen a defender with such a low floor level capacity. When Luiz is off his game, he's really bad.
Not in the joke of a league he's in now maybe, but he did exactly that multiple times for Chelsea and also famously for Brazil.
Well when you say things like "I can't wait until he faces so and so'You don't agree with my opinion of a player, therefore, you must not have watched him much'
Err... okay
I have to be honest he's underrated here. Name any defender, even legends like Baresi, and they've had bad games. Thing is I've never seen a defender with such a low floor level capacity. When Luiz is off his game, he's really bad.
" it makes it seem like your implying he'll get destroyed. I could say the same thing about our attacking players and some of your defenders. No one in this league has an elite defense.He'll definitely have a howler here and there. But he was one of our best big game players. Nobody is expecting him to come in and be some monsterous wall of a defender.
Jones or Rojo are available when this inevitably falls through.
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