Fletch certainly will be.
David Gill Transfer warchest v2012
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Your delibrately missing my point. Its obvious we need experience in the team at the present time. We had youth last year and Scholes and Giggs arent getting any younger, would be a perfect time to bed them in.
I will be very surprised if we dont have a "name" particular in midfield join us before next season.
Don't tell me Obama is signing! Thank feck for that! Finally, changes we can believe in!! Woo hoo!!
Obama isn't signing. Right now he's out hunting down Bin Laden's successor. God help the sucker when Obama catches up with him.
Missing experience?
Evra
Vidic
Rio
Evans
Carrick
Nani
Valencia
Rooney
And that's not mentioning Giggs, Scholes and Fletcher, or the likes of Berbatov and Park.
that's not bad actually. Id rather see us sign Everton's clown hair guy or Tiote then Asamoah though.
BTW............Sidwell, Downing and Lua Lua.....
Berbatov and Park are likely to be out of the club before the start of next season. Also, out of your list (not including Giggs and Scholes whos roles and gametime are uncertain next season) you have named one CM in Carrick. Thanks for listing the team out for me, it saved me looking on the website *sigh*
I can see I'm fighting a losing battle here so lets just wait and see.
With our net spend in the last five years you would hope there are quite substantial funds to spend.
It's clear we need to add some real quality but also that we have a great foundation of talent in the team and squad. It's in a relatively healthy shape and three class signings with several on the way out and we'll be fighting for the league again next year. Not so convinced in Europe yet.
We will see...
It's clear we need to add some real quality but also that we have a great foundation of talent in the team and squad. It's in a relatively healthy shape and three class signings with several on the way out and we'll be fighting for the league again next year. Not so convinced in Europe yet.
We will see...
The 80 mil from Ronaldo's sale for Naymar please. 60 for the transfer and 20 for his wages.
Thanks.
Thanks.
You claimed we were missing experience, don't understand how anyone can claim that.
Experience particularly in the central midfield area and also a real need to sign established players. Of course we should still develop youth like we have always done but we desperately need players who have bought the t-shirt to give the team (and fans) a much needed lift and send out a message. Like I said if this doesnt happen I'll be surprised so let us both have this conversation in August to see who was right.
If you read Fergie's comments today don't expect experience top players.. We wont be in the market for them.
You got a link mate? The only comments I've seen is that the club will continue to invest in youth (which goes without saying), havent seen anything about denying signing any established players though.
Why haven't we signed anyone yet?!?!?!
55 million on De Gea, Jones and Young. 16 on Valencia + 7 on Hernandez and Bebe. I reckon "that" 80 million is gone.
I don't think the rap is that we have no money - its that we don't seem to have the money to compete at the top end of the transfer market like we used to. In other words, the kind of talent we used to be top competitors for now tends to be too expensive for us either in terms of market value or wages. It is likely, though, that we'll see serious investment this summer proving our changing behavior in the market didn't mean much after all, but let's not pretend that it hasn't changed. Its an uncomfortable thing to accept, yes, and it seems to me that you set up and rant at straw arguments in order to insulate yourself from that.
Getting Fletcher back and getting him back to his best are two very different things.
Fletch at his best though will do serious damage to that City side. They definitely won't have it as easy in the middle.
It's always been the same RR. In the '70s we heard the same rants from the same type of 'supporter', then the '80s and the '90s. I remember at one time we were doing stadium improvements and all the supporters wanted were new players. At the time Edwards, who was been slagged off by 'fans' and was a little sick of it all said "One day you'll thank me for this" but there was no respect for what the club was doing.
As I said in the Kagawa thread, 2 out of the 3-4 signings Fergie is looking at will be done deals already. We know how we have to work and he knows from the Chelsea saga to do deals discretely. Even if we have to pay a little bit more, it's better that we have those deals done before other clubs come in and ram up the price or offer superior contracts. Young and De Gea transfer are testament to this policy.
What are we paying off though at the expense of improvements to the team? The Glazers' debt. I think we could all get behind it if it were to pay for expanding the South Stand or otherwise, but the lack of spending is a result of having to pay back £500m of debt that was thrown on the club by a bunch of cnuts who wouldn't put up their own money. We have spent more on long-term players recently, which is always good, but we've avoided the major purchase(midfielder) that we clearly need.
We're keeping Fletcher while sticking to Scholes and Giggs for another year. Considering that we've already well stocked in CM (in terms of numbers) + the 25 player limit rule, I doubt there is a lot of space for new players in this particular position.
Yes I agree Dev. Its increasingly looking like Fergie is expecting Fletch's return to be like a new signing. If by chance we keep Pogba then that will be another player in the mix. I suppose having Anderson and Cleverly healthy will have a similar effect. That's four players who didn't play much this year, potentially being available next season. So the prospects of buying another player be pushed to next summer when Scholes and Giggs are likely to retire.
De Gea, Linde
rafael, smalling, evans, rio, bida, evra
valencia, nani, young, andow, clev, carrick, fletch, scholes, giggs
rooney, chico, welbeck
Did I miss anyone?
Thats 20 players over 21.
Assumptions:
Koosh, Berba, Owen, Park leave.
Amos, Fabio go out on loan
Fletch returns.
No pressing need for a central midfielder if Fletcher is back and ready. (still need the creativity from central positions.. someone like Kagawa), but if there is someone we have an eye on and is available, I think we'll move in for him regardless.
There is space in the squad. And phasing Giggs/Scholes out isnt really much of a problem.. by that I mean they understand their role and it wont be a problem like Lampard.
I have a feeling Owen might get a new contract to be the 4th choice experienced striker after Berba leaves.. I'd rather keep Berba, but he deserves more games.. Owen with his injuries probably expects to be a squad player.
rafael, smalling, evans, rio, bida, evra
valencia, nani, young, andow, clev, carrick, fletch, scholes, giggs
rooney, chico, welbeck
Did I miss anyone?
Thats 20 players over 21.
Assumptions:
Koosh, Berba, Owen, Park leave.
Amos, Fabio go out on loan
Fletch returns.
No pressing need for a central midfielder if Fletcher is back and ready. (still need the creativity from central positions.. someone like Kagawa), but if there is someone we have an eye on and is available, I think we'll move in for him regardless.
There is space in the squad. And phasing Giggs/Scholes out isnt really much of a problem.. by that I mean they understand their role and it wont be a problem like Lampard.
I have a feeling Owen might get a new contract to be the 4th choice experienced striker after Berba leaves.. I'd rather keep Berba, but he deserves more games.. Owen with his injuries probably expects to be a squad player.
We've never been able to compete at the top end of the transfer market.
Always look at the positives in the Gill speech.
1. We've identified the players.
2. It's gonna be a very interesting summer. (Vacation time for him and Fergie.)
3. Without doubt there is money to spend. (Its in the bank)
4. The manager, Jim Lawlor and the scouting team, everyone is looking at it and discuss it throughout the period,” he explained. “Obviously, the work intensifies now in terms of actually doing deals and we’ve identified players so let’s see what happens.
5. It’s a 365-day-a-year job that talent is always on our radar but the paperwork is done in the close season and transfer window – we can sort out the deals beforehand and get them moving.
So, guys and transfer muppets. This is gonna be a very busy summer.
1. We've identified the players.
2. It's gonna be a very interesting summer. (Vacation time for him and Fergie.)
3. Without doubt there is money to spend. (Its in the bank)
4. The manager, Jim Lawlor and the scouting team, everyone is looking at it and discuss it throughout the period,” he explained. “Obviously, the work intensifies now in terms of actually doing deals and we’ve identified players so let’s see what happens.
5. It’s a 365-day-a-year job that talent is always on our radar but the paperwork is done in the close season and transfer window – we can sort out the deals beforehand and get them moving.
So, guys and transfer muppets. This is gonna be a very busy summer.
Which in my opinion is a big mistake and we'll again be tempting fate once again. Relying on 39 yr olds and injury prone players like Ando whose yet to show any consistency in his game is risky to say the least.
Oh well...one way or another the Glazer's debt must be paid and there's always the option of moving defenders and midfielders to fill the big gap in CM. It works wonders last season.
I agree in giving Fletch a year or two to try to resurrect his career. After all he's been a loyal servant for us and giving him a free transfer now would ruin his career for good. I may also understand in keeping Giggs and Scholes for another year altough to be honest, I would have rather kept one of them and brought someone else). However, please don't come up with Owen. The man is a wreck and he's a Liverpool legend (ie no moral debt to be paid towards him). Id rather see us give a chance to Keane or even Macheda then him.
I don't think SAF is relying on one player. The general sentiment is that he was unlucky with injuries to Anderson, Cleverly, and the Fletcher's illness. If you add those three as healthy additions, plus Scholes, it would be too crowded buy anyone unless some one exceptional become available, which I doubt.
Not only that. But you have to adapt to circumstances. We're never going to be able to compete with oligarchs and price owned clubs. And I think that's exactly was SAF is doing.
Was it down to luck that Ando and Cleverley got injured? The boys have a long injury track record. Regarding Fletch, I hope that he'll make it AND I agree of giving the guy a second chance. After all we've gave second chances to people whom we had no moral debt towards to and Fletch is a loyal servant. However, what Fletch is suffering is a career threatening sickness. That should be taken in account.
As I said, not addressing CM will be a big mistake. We'll basically start the season with the same weakness as this year AND with two of our best players in it reaching 37-39 yrs of age.
Its funny how all roads lead to Anderson. Whether SAF has faith in him to blossom come the new season. I think our purchase may depend on that.
I have mixed feelings about Ando. The boy has talent and he's still young, however he's been at OT for 5 years and he's yet to show enough consistency to justify a first team place at a big club level.
I'm not desperate for him to stay.. but if Fergie decides we need experience on the cheap.. and someone as a 4th choice should Keane go out on loan, it might just happen.
I too would rather see Keane or Kiko, but Kiko's loan deals havent worked out. He probably is no closer to the first team that he was last season. Keane might stay around for the first half and then be loaned out in Jan.. Fergie does that.
Good chance Owen goes.. but him staying wouldnt shock me either.
I'm not desperate for him to stay.. but if Fergie decides we need experience on the cheap.. and someone as a 4th choice should Keane go out on loan, it might just happen.
I too would rather see Keane or Kiko, but Kiko's loan deals havent worked out. He probably is no closer to the first team that he was last season. Keane might stay around for the first half and then be loaned out in Jan.. Fergie does that.
Good chance Owen goes.. but him staying wouldnt shock me either.
We need experience on the pitch and not in the treatment room. Owen had been a waste of space this year and with the 25 player rule breathing at our neck, Id rather see us fill all the slots with players that are actually useful for the team.
Id say we should change system and rely on a lone striker system. That would create space for more midfielders and would guarantee us enough cover upfront without the need of spending any dosh.
If we're losing Berba, then I would imagine Owen will stay unless Will Keane is brought up permanently, in which case it would be the end of Macheda as well.
The 25 man limit isnt a problem.. Experience can help in the dressing room and training as well.
I dont think we owe Owen much. He wont be staying because of anyone feeling charitable.
Squad limit wont be a problem. It comes down to how Fergie sees him as a squad member and what he has to offer us...
But Fergie was mentioning the older players last night and mentioned Rio, Giggs and Scholes.. Owen is 32
Evra was 30 last night.. so was vidic.. not 'old'
So good chance owen wont be in the plans next season.
I dont think we owe Owen much. He wont be staying because of anyone feeling charitable.
Squad limit wont be a problem. It comes down to how Fergie sees him as a squad member and what he has to offer us...
But Fergie was mentioning the older players last night and mentioned Rio, Giggs and Scholes.. Owen is 32
Evra was 30 last night.. so was vidic.. not 'old'
So good chance owen wont be in the plans next season.
I dont see any wisdom of keeping a player whose rarely available (and hardly good anymore). Experience is needed on the pitch and not in the treatment room.
Dont forget that Kagawa scores alot of goals and he's not a CM.
Fergie obviously likes him and he's probably a good influence on the younger players, many of which grew up watching him in his prime. If Fergie insists on a a fourth striker, then Owen isn't a bad choice at all.
People seem to talk that if we didn't have the debt we'd be out buying Messi and so on. We've never done that. We maybe have one mega spend on a talent every three years or so then buy lots of players that most on here have neither heard of or tought of. My mega thread on the euros today will hopefully bring some of those type of players to light.