David De Gea

clarkydaz said:
Didn't we buy big this summer to challenge? We are still 6th and good chance it will be Thursday nights again next year. Your denial of this is impressive
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As If We are Plying Bad.? We are Playing good and just finishing and lack of pace and attacking balance is keeping us holding back. We are in quarters in uel and still 7 points to top 2 with 2 games in hand with a chance to beat above teams and liv playing city this weekend.

Fear will not let us qualify . Belief will
 
buckooo1978 said:
this was an obvious case of Ramos using United for a contract and United trying to put the wind up Madrid in their pursuit of Ramos

in reality you can't hold players against their will for a prolonged period of time- the best you can hope for is an agreement like we had with Ronaldo - play well this season and you will get your move

i think De Gea, with tge release fee, is a similar kind of deal and I think he will go sooner rather than later

there's something smalltime about holding players to ransom and you need to consider the effect that has on the squad. you are better off just moving forward and replacing the player. a recent example is Payet.
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We are in a position to sign another keeper and not sell de gea. and force him to sign an extortainate release clause something like 100 m euros. If you budge you loose out every time .

Ronaldo De Gea then who next? Martial? Balliy? Pogba? This has to stop and we need to make a statement.
 
on the speculation the ball is very much in Madrid's court so he's a committed, professional Manchester United footballer until they decide to make a move for him.

as I mentioned earlier I'm not convinced that;

a) Madrid can afford the 50 million or whatever it will take
b) he will be the kind of player they will want to sign

lets enjoy De Gea as long as he's got the United shirt on his back
 
buckooo1978 said:
on the speculation the ball is very much in Madrid's court so he's a committed, professional Manchester United footballer until they decide to make a move for him.

as I mentioned earlier I'm not convinced that;

a) Madrid can afford the 50 million or whatever it will take
b) he will be the kind of player they will want to sign

lets enjoy De Gea as long as he's got the United shirt on his back
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Do you also enjoy seeing madrid winning ucl's?

Sir alex is no more here , You need the best players to win .even pep mourinho anchelotti will not win anything without them.
 
For me it's more of an ego thing as it is losing Dave. That fecking club cherry picking our players again.
 
buckooo1978 said:
there's something smalltime about holding players to ransom and you need to consider the effect that has on the squad. you are better off just moving forward and replacing the player. a recent example is Payet.
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De gea will never do a payet. We dont budge we get the best possible deal including holding on the de gea. If we sell the money will just add the to the credit account because its peanuts.
 
lewwoo said:
For me it's more of an ego thing as it is losing Dave. That fecking club cherry picking our players again.
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I think they only cherry picked Ronaldo. Rest of them Sir alex was pretty relaxed to let them go because we had bigger and better talents than them
 
prtk0811 said:
I think they only cherry picked Ronaldo. Rest of them Sir alex was pretty relaxed to let them go because we had bigger and better talents than them
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Once was enough my friend. I think the player being the best I've seen in the shirt in my life time made it that much more painful and unforgettable though. Hopefully we get one of their's in return this time.
 
prtk0811 said:
We are in a position to sign another keeper and not sell de gea. and force him to sign an extortainate release clause something like 100 m euros. If you budge you loose out every time .

Ronaldo De Gea then who next? Martial? Balliy? Pogba? This has to stop and we need to make a statement.
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so you'd prefer Manchester United....the club who refuse to let players leave, the club who make no sell-on value for players? let them all leave on a free and send a message to players around the world that once you sign if you aren't happy then screw you?

then we are going to force De Gea to sign a new contract with a 100 million release clause? will he do this at gunpoint? :lol:

time to grow up and realise how things work in the real world
prtk0811 said:
Do you also enjoy seeing madrid winning ucl's?

Sir alex is no more here , You need the best players to win .even pep mourinho anchelotti will not win anything without them.
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what a ridiculous post - it's childish to suggest that because you accept the realities of the transfer market that you want Madrid to win trophies

you are missing the point here - if a player wants to leave and isn't happy then this causes an issue in the dressing room - if De Gea really wants to leave and we keep him against his will then this is counter-productive for a squad moving forward.

this is moot though as it has been widely reported that there is a release cause and if it is met then we don't have the decision - unless you suggest we lock De Gea up in a changing room under Old Trafford and take him out to play games though I'm worried you might see this as a viable option for us

not sure if you are on the wind-up or are 14 but as I said earlier the ball is in Madrid's court and, as much as I hope De Gea is at United for a long time to come, you cannot keep players for prolonged periods against their will and expect positive results - can you give me one single example of that ever working?
 
lewwoo said:
Once was enough my friend. I think the player being the best I've seen in the shirt in my life time made it that much more painful and unforgettable though. Hopefully we get one of their's in return this time.
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We should play hardball with both madrid and de gea. Madrid will be waiting for any of De gea or Courtois to change is mind. We should hold on, hard and dig our teeth in and unsettle one of theirs too ,only then we get best possible deal including getting to keep de gea.
 
prtk0811 said:
If Ronaldo stayed with us we would have done better than winning 1 league title in 8 years and 2 ucl's after so long. So will De Gea that's all what i can say.
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Ronaldo is a bigger star at Madrid than he was here. And no you cant, DeGea currently barely even qualifies for CL now
 
prtk0811 said:
We should play hardball with both madrid and de gea. Madrid will be waiting for any of De gea or Courtois to change is mind. We should hold on, hard and dig our teeth in and unsettle one of theirs too ,only then we get best possible deal including getting to keep de gea.
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I honestly feel that's how it will play out. I have complete faith in Woody and especially now with Jose on board to rinse every penny from any deal.

There is no way mou will let him go to Madrid for anything but a huge fee with possibly some agreements in place to talk to a player or two.
 
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De Gea's not been at the same level this season so it does seem likely he's not fully committed. It's a shame because I expect him to end up as one of the all-time great goalkeepers but he's not irreplacable.
 
we've no idea what's going on in his head but I've always felt the reasons for his desire to move were not necessarily about football and more about his girlfriend

it can't be easy to have a relationship with someone who lives/works in Spain - what's De Gea doing in the evenings when Mata isn't available for a cuddle?

I blame love
 
prtk0811 said:
We are in a position to sign another keeper and not sell de gea. and force him to sign an extortainate release clause something like 100 m euros. If you budge you loose out every time .

Ronaldo De Gea then who next? Martial? Balliy? Pogba? This has to stop and we need to make a statement.
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I'm not sure whether you get how football transfers and clubs work.
1.If he wants to leave why would he sign a contract that basically means he can't leave unless the club want to get rid of him
2. What kind of image would it give to potential signings! The club would be willing to destroy your career if you ever want your dream club, or want to go back home or whatever. With rules like this, if we were a country we'd be worse than the troubled middle east in human rights record
 
If we sell and get in someone who is better at distribution and better presence in the box/leadership I wouldn't be averse to the idea. He's a great player who needs to be playing at the elite end of the European game.
 
I'll deny that as I denied all big moves including C. Ronaldo and Becks, he's staying guys, if he goes goalkeeper will not cost fortune and will be easier to replace than anyone so I am not that worried but surely I am sad about it
 
Great goalkeeper, and if given the choice I'd rather keep him than see him go, but as some have pointed out, he's no irreplaceable.

While he absolutely winds up being the difference between us winning or drawing a few games each season, there's no denying that he seems to let in more and more soft goals every season.
 
prtk0811 said:
No Chance. If he wants madrid then why did he come here to develop? he should have stayed in atletico in madrid city.If we dont send a statement to the spanish mentality or madrid dreamers we always will face this problem. Better fix it once and for all With Brexit referendum now as this club is no longer run by sir alex, we must make a strong statement, and unsettle kroos and varane or inflate the price beyond 100 m pounds as is the current market.

United is a strong club. we can get donnarumma and afford to bench de gea. We dont need the money we need titles.
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To bench De Gea is unrealistic.I understand you keeping an strong position but at the end everything will depend on David.
I think that in his current contract with United there is some commitment to open talks if an offer comes again.
He signed a contract,not some kind of perpetual commitment to United.
50 m€ is not the best offer but 100 is excessive.That's the price of Griezmann,the third best player in the world (according to Ballon d'or).
I also don't think that United have options with Kroos but perhaps James or Varane
 
I wouldn't begrudge him a move away, just as I wouldn't have two seasons ago. He deserves better than the crap being served up by this club since SAF's departure.
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I wouldn't be against Joe Hart. He's a decent goalkeeper with a lot of premier league experience. We could do much worse imo.
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We could also do much and I mean MUCH better, he had some shocking seasons for city.
 
I feel he will go regardless if we qualify for CL. If we win EL it would make it easier as he would leave us with a meaningful trophy and CL next season. I don't think we should stand in his way either but we should put a big price on him. Somewhere around $40m pounds.

Madrid are cnuts and always get their target sooner or later. They'll want DDG over Courtois because he is Spain #1. Have to say they're treating Navas like a piece of shit though. He is a top keeper and they don't want him because he's not Spain's keeper.
 
If we get a good back four, he's replaceable.. One thing I've never really liked with De Gea is that he doesn't seem to be able to command his defenders. Far too many times there's no communication.
 
Can't begrudge him a move to Madrid at this stage of his career, especially when a big part of the final decision will come down to personal reasons. There's been a real sense of David being on borrowed time at United (despite the new and improved contract), and that will he, won't he uncertainty is never helpful - for the player, or for the club. He's a sensational goalkeeper with tremendous reflexes, but a standard Mourinho team (and defense) doesn't necessarily need the best goalkeeper in the world to excel. Reckon someone who has good presence in the box, is commanding in the air and good in 1vs1 situations can be almost as effective as De Gea from a functional perspective when paired with a good defensive line to limit the shots on goals.

~€70 million is a good fee, and we could even propose a fair exchange deal with Madrid involving one of their players (ideally Kroos, but they won't let him go and he won't want to leave - so I quite like the idea of Morata being a foil for Griezmann). Then use some of the surplus money to target Donnarumma. By no means a finished article (not very good on the ball, inconsistent technique, etc), but his potential is monstrous and he has a lot of tools to progressively improve in a Mourinho team - remarkable stature for someone so young (as big as Toldo), has a great deal of belief in himself (which is crucial for keepers because they need to move on from mistakes), confident in the air, competent at aligning the defense, brave off the line, good reflexes and shot-stopping ability - not De Gea level, but pretty sharp. His contract expires next summer, too, so Milan will have very little leverage in terms of negotiations with Raiola and United:
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http://www.transfermarkt.com/gianluigi-donnarumma/profil/spieler/315858
 
@carvajal, @giorno
Do you guys see RM paying this kind of money for a goalkeeper? And has there been anything in Spain?
And Carvajal, I wouldn't want James near United and not sure about Varane either.
 
Interesting stuff about Donnarumma's contract expiring. He is seen as the flashy new thing with goalies, so Real might rather want to buy him for a fraction of De Gea's price.
 
look on the bright side - if he goes for 50 million euro this could be 60 million quid the way Brexit is going
 
buckooo1978 said:
so you'd prefer Manchester United....the club who refuse to let players leave, the club who make no sell-on value for players? let them all leave on a free and send a message to players around the world that once you sign if you aren't happy then screw you?

then we are going to force De Gea to sign a new contract with a 100 million release clause? will he do this at gunpoint? :lol:

time to grow up and realise how things work in the real world


what a ridiculous post - it's childish to suggest that because you accept the realities of the transfer market that you want Madrid to win trophies

you are missing the point here - if a player wants to leave and isn't happy then this causes an issue in the dressing room - if De Gea really wants to leave and we keep him against his will then this is counter-productive for a squad moving forward.

this is moot though as it has been widely reported that there is a release cause and if it is met then we don't have the decision - unless you suggest we lock De Gea up in a changing room under Old Trafford and take him out to play games though I'm worried you might see this as a viable option for us

not sure if you are on the wind-up or are 14 but as I said earlier the ball is in Madrid's court and, as much as I hope De Gea is at United for a long time to come, you cannot keep players for prolonged periods against their will and expect positive results - can you give me one single example of that ever working?
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Well Years ago Perez pledged to bring biggest players on earth to madrid , It was a childish ambition many had said back then, but by continous work in that direction and His Galactico's Propoganda all over the world made an image of madrid that biggest players go to madrid to win the ucl and worked to get to that project and make it succeessful.

Ask yourselves now when that image is made do You expect madrid to sell any player against their wishes? NO way. because players want to compete for biggest trophies and play with the best players in the world and they always get to keep the best. Madrid always sign players on a six year contract instead of 4 or 5 so that They have a uper hand in every transfer dealing. Ronaldo or bale contract never has release clause? why? or ven if they have it its so high that no club can manage to trigger it and cherry pick on them. they have created their image. manaufactured it .

If You keep supplying them the best players the cycle will always continue , We let them get ronaldo, We budged to trigger modric 40 m money we vetoed kroos we signed jones over varane we let madrid get there and our poor and weak mentality will again prove us to be taking us in wrong direction again.

call it childish but this buck has to stop because we are one of the biggest club in the world. Players wanna play for us because we aimed high. higuain joined juventus because he wanted to in the ucl . So with pogba as he belived in out project.

You have to stay strong and deter others from getting your best players to bring back the best players to our club and win top honours. If we play hard ball chances are madrid will move on to Courtois, so let him go to madrid . Weakness will never let us go to our former standards and Mourinho is here to fix that now.
 
Donut said:
Interesting stuff about Donnarumma's contract expiring. He is seen as the flashy new thing with goalies, so Real might rather want to buy him for a fraction of De Gea's price.
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When is his contract expiring?
 
buckooo1978 said:
so you'd prefer Manchester United....the club who refuse to let players leave, the club who make no sell-on value for players? let them all leave on a free and send a message to players around the world that once you sign if you aren't happy then screw you?

then we are going to force De Gea to sign a new contract with a 100 million release clause? will he do this at gunpoint? :lol:

time to grow up and realise how things work in the real world


what a ridiculous post - it's childish to suggest that because you accept the realities of the transfer market that you want Madrid to win trophies

you are missing the point here - if a player wants to leave and isn't happy then this causes an issue in the dressing room - if De Gea really wants to leave and we keep him against his will then this is counter-productive for a squad moving forward.

this is moot though as it has been widely reported that there is a release cause and if it is met then we don't have the decision - unless you suggest we lock De Gea up in a changing room under Old Trafford and take him out to play games though I'm worried you might see this as a viable option for us

not sure if you are on the wind-up or are 14 but as I said earlier the ball is in Madrid's court and, as much as I hope De Gea is at United for a long time to come, you cannot keep players for prolonged periods against their will and expect positive results - can you give me one single example of that ever working?
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Players will change all the time on the situation. There is a quote form ballage on this one , Madrid will unsettle both keepers because it works in their advantage. who budges first is the looser in that case .
 
prtk0811 said:
If we play hard ball
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we tried playing hardball abd we were mischievous over Ramos....it obviously didnt work and we were a signature away from him going for 20-something million.

im not sure if you understand how a release clause works... they agree to pay it and they can negotiate a contract directly with the player - we have no role in it

only power we have is if Madrid offered below the release fee which we will obviously reject.
 
Red Katie said:
@carvajal, @giorno
Do you guys see RM paying this kind of money for a goalkeeper? And has there been anything in Spain?
And Carvajal, I wouldn't want James near United and not sure about Varane either.
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There are a couple of articles similar to that one in ABC, in El confidencial and AS.
They say more or less the same.Madrid want to try something and wanted to know De Gea position to go forward.
The price could be from 50 to 70.
Yes,I think that this time Madrid will pay.New project,elections,Florentino(and many fans) not happy with Navas.
 
carvajal said:
There are a couple of articles similar to that one in ABC, in El confidencial and AS.
They say more or less the same.Madrid want to try something and wanted to know De Gea position to go forward.
The price could be from 50 to 70.
Yes,I think that this time Madrid will pay.New project,elections,Florentino(and many fans) not happy with Navas.
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Thanks. Are they going for DDG or other keepers in case it falls flat again?
 
I'm optimistic with this. If he leaves I'd be happy with any of Oblak, Navas or Donnarumma as his replacement. That's if he does decide to push for a move, and Real decide they want a new keeper that isn't Courtois. There's a lot of variables and I could easily see him staying here.
 
carvajal said:
To bench De Gea is unrealistic.I understand you keeping an strong position but at the end everything will depend on David.
I think that in his current contract with United there is some commitment to open talks if an offer comes again.
He signed a contract,not some kind of perpetual commitment to United.
50 m€ is not the best offer but 100 is excessive.That's the price of Griezmann,the third best player in the world (according to Ballon d'or).
I also don't think that United have options with Kroos but perhaps James or Varane
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We dont want james. If united ont have an option with kroos or varane or casemiro nither will madrid with de gea. and who said benching de gea totally? we can buy other keeper and share the game time . 100 m is not excessive its realistic in the current market with one of the best keepers in the world fully developed at a prime age .
 
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