Ah. Ok. Thanks. The stats I was looking at must have included Europe.
David de Gea has left Manchester United
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Ah. Ok. Thanks. The stats I was looking at must have included Europe.
I saw one video on YT and they were showing Onana faces less shots but actually concede at a higher rate than would be expected.
What the hell is PSXG-GA? Sounds like a model number.
I don't think any Spanish club aside from Real, Barca, and Atletico would be able to afford him on a quarter of the wages he was on at United. He would need to drop his wage demands a lot more than that.
Nobody who can afford him wants him and nobody who might want him can afford him.
Exactly. Either he lucks out with a move to KSA or as a stop-gap measure for a large club in need of a keeper (Real / Bayern - both unlikely), or he significantly drops his wage demands to a realistic level.
His xG prevented on sky sports is -4.5
DDG is -1.6.
Onana poor at preventing goals by what, a factor of X3 worse than really low form DDG?
Been discussed. See above. Those stats are league only (where Onana played a relatively small number of games) Include matches in European competitions and Onana’s stats are better.
24 games is not a relatively small number of games though.
The stats on Sky Sports were for League games only it seems.
It’s 63% of the games most PL keepers play in a league season. Relatively small.
That’s semantics anyway. The higher the sample size the more accurate the data. So the stats which include European games are more reliable.
That is true, however I was shocked to see this even being a debate.
Is he really going to sit out this year?
Any who could afford him don't want him and any who want him can't afford him? I can't believe he doesn't find a compromise somewhere.
Any who could afford him don't want him and any who want him can't afford him? I can't believe he doesn't find a compromise somewhere.
PSxG is a metric similar to xG. But while xG takes into consideration only the position when the shot happened, PSxG takes into consideration also where a shot ended. For example, a penalty taken by player A and B have the same xG. However, if player A shoots it in the corner with a lot of power, while player B shoots it into row Z, the PSxG is very high for the first one and very low for the second one. Same for shots everywhere else in the pitch. So, in many ways it is better than xG.
PSxG-GA essentially is the sum of PSxG minus the goals a keeper conceded (GA = goals against). For example, we remember De Gea in God mode in 2017-2018. He faced 39.7 goals worth of PSxG. However, he conceded only 28 goals, almost 12 less than expected, so essentially, we conceded 12 goals less than if we had an average goalkeeper.
It is probably the best metric to judge goalkeeper's shot stopping ability. Of course, if you want to have a statistically-based opinion on who are the best keepers, it needs to be complemented by statistics that account for passing and dealing with crosses.
Thanks for explanation. I'd never heard of PSxG and the minus (which I thought was a hyphen
) threw me off completely.Rumours are Bayern will go for him (if they don't get Ortega from City)
I'll be very surprised if De Gea End up at Bayern .
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He's behind City's backup keeper on Bayern's shortlist.
Denied by Bayern. Even their fans in response are relieved.
https://x.com/plettigoal/status/1692124023814082614?s=46&t=rJ7UK-m-YHcb2gJlzoBDtw
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Sell Henderson and get him back as backup on 50k/week?
Not surprised he's been overlooked at Bayern and Madrid in recent weeks in favour for 'worse' keepers. Shows you where the game has now progressed to boys and girls, being an inconsistent shot stopper doesn't get you the top gigs anymore, you've got to offer more than that.
Latest rumour is he agreed but Tuchel vetoed it and doesn't want him.
He will have to reduce his salary anywhere he goes. At this point it's going to be quite a large reduction.
I can't see him getting a top club gig, but I am surprised a smaller team hasn't, one that doesn't prioritize playing out from the back.
It must be a really weird feeling for some of our players when they leave and realise they aren't as valued.
Saudi probably. He has wage demand only they would pay. Or he would have to climb down to level probably less than what united was offering him to stay.
When did it ever do that?
All the time, he’d save a worldie at point blank then let a nothing effort squirm under him and into the net.
Remember the “we can’t afford to sign a new keeper and a center forward“ line these fanboys were belting out at every occasion.
The De Gea love in on here is pretty mental. It’s like a K-pop crush these lot have.
Now we are being scolded for saying he was pants the last 5 years.
Get a grip you lot. I’m sure DDG couldnt care less what some random guy says about him on an Internet forum.
The De Gea love in on here is pretty mental. It’s like a K-pop crush these lot have.
Now we are being scolded for saying he was pants the last 5 years.
Get a grip you lot. I’m sure DDG couldnt care less what some random guy says about him on an Internet forum.
No I meant when did being an inconsistent shot stopper ever landed you a top gig?
His form post 2018 was a farce, we never should have tolerated it to begin with.
At this point it makes sense for him to just retire. He had a very good career for a famous club, but he's a relic from a bygone era and doesn't seem capable of making the adjustments necessary to play the position as modern football requires.
If I were 32, had accomplished everything I was ever capable of accomplishing at the highest level, was already obscenely wealthy, and had a young child and a gorgeous wife, I'd be thrilled to just spend the rest of my life with my family. Go relax on the beach, Dave, you've earned it.
If I were 32, had accomplished everything I was ever capable of accomplishing at the highest level, was already obscenely wealthy, and had a young child and a gorgeous wife, I'd be thrilled to just spend the rest of my life with my family. Go relax on the beach, Dave, you've earned it.
Agree mate, he was on borrowed time.
Speaks volumes he has no club. Awful, awful keeper now.
Feel for him, even though it’s not exactly unexpected. I know he earned a pretty penny with us, but he really should get his agent to seek out a Saudi deal for 2-3 years and then call it a day. Games passed him by.
Either that or take a 60-70% paycut (if not more) and try and join a lower level club
Either that or take a 60-70% paycut (if not more) and try and join a lower level club
Unfortunately, even that wouldn't be enough. DDG's gross wages in Euros on his last contract were roughly €400k/week. Outside of Real, Barca, and Atletico, La Liga clubs pay their starting keepers €30-50k/week gross. His pay cut would need to be closer to 85-95% for most lower level clubs to be able to afford him.
I can't imagine that one of the lower La Liga teams wouldn't be interested. He can play in Spain and be close to his family, at this point he's made a lot of money, his next contract just needs to focus on playing time.
What? He has been tremendous. His play out the back is not good, but cmon.
Surely Saudi are interest?
I look forward to the moment when you become self aware.
I suspect that Saudi would be interested but he and his family are not. He's just had a baby with his wife, who will certainly not be leaving Spain any time soon, so maybe he's still banking on something closer to home, or at least on this side of Europe.
It is saddening to watch his value decrease further since parting ways with us, and I hope he has it in him to stage some sort of comeback. 32 is no age for curtains on a goalkeeper's career, I'm sure he's already aware that his shot-stopping capacities are no longer enough to have him competing at the top-level stage where he wants to perform, and perhaps some more time as a free agent--while it must be crushing for his confidence--could motivate and see him implement the required diversity to his game.
It is saddening to watch his value decrease further since parting ways with us, and I hope he has it in him to stage some sort of comeback. 32 is no age for curtains on a goalkeeper's career, I'm sure he's already aware that his shot-stopping capacities are no longer enough to have him competing at the top-level stage where he wants to perform, and perhaps some more time as a free agent--while it must be crushing for his confidence--could motivate and see him implement the required diversity to his game.
He was of course, at least domestically facing a slightly lower standard of opposition than that which De Gea faced in the Premier League. In theory this would also balance itself out due to Onana also having a slightly lower standard of teammate but I think this is somewhat debatable.
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