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De Gea's gone and wont come back.
I agree with you just found it ironic.It would have been easy to replace him. As I said, there's a whole bunch of keepers that changed club this summer that a) were better than De Gea of the last few seasons (low bar) and b) haven't racked up as many mistakes as Onana has so far this season. Most of them cost a fraction of the fee we spent on Onana too. Spurs managed to upgrade Lloris without any drama. We could obviously have done the same with DDG.
Plus it's still possible that Onana might come good. It was only this weekend when the mood about him was turning and we thought that maybe we'd signed a good keeper after all. Yet here we all are, catastrophising after his very next performance. Don't you usually look down your nose at people who do that?
I agree with you just found it ironic.
I've always said phase any new keeper in over a year, but the caf was overflowing with that 'get rid' energy it was pointless arguing
Yep, agreed. I also think that while DDG needed replacing, the money could have been more productively spent in other areas first.I agree with you just found it ironic.
I've always said phase any new keeper in over a year, but the caf was overflowing with that 'get rid' energy it was pointless arguing
Onana's penalty save against Copenhagen is the only reason we havent been eliminated yet, its not his fault that we have given a penalty away in almost every one of our group games and had players sent off in 2 of them with both red cards costing us the games they came in.
I feel like you're a young busy body? He could easily take a year out and return to the top flight (even if not the top top teams as their no 1).Haven't we been through this a hundred times already when discussing de Gea? He's not getting younger or better, a sabbatical where the only training he gets is whatever he himself decides to give himself and him getting zero games during the time will only exacerbate that. The last transfer window was one of the most busy ones on the goalkeeping position in years with many big clubs rotating keepers in and out, yet he was never even in the running for any of them.
From a human perspective, I'd get it if he wanted some time off, maybe wanting to focus on being a dad and husband for a bit. But from a practical and professional standpoint, following that desire essentially amounts to career suicide. And I do not have de Gea pegged as being dumb enough intentionally do that, unless he has decided he is done in general. He certainly could afford it to retire with how United has been stuffing his pockets the past years.
BollocksThe counter there is that having the guy you're replacing still hanging around doesn't do either any favours.
I agree with you just found it ironic.
I've always said phase any new keeper in over a year, but the caf was overflowing with that 'get rid' energy it was pointless arguing
One penalty save does not outweigh the insane amounts of drops in the Champions league. His form in the premier league has improved but he has absolutely been the main reason we are on our way out of the champions league.
Agree, until one came DDG should have stayed.. unsettled everything with a inconsistent keeper..I think it’s more that you have people that understand we needed to upgrade on De Gea, and just because Onana is bad doesn’t mean De Gea should’ve stayed. We’ve chosen poorly in replacing him though.
What? Don't double down mate...You can’t “phase in” a keeper like you do other positions. No clubs ever does this. Or in the very rare cases they try it always causes drama (e.g. Arsenal this season) For goalkeeper you need a clear number one and number two. You don’t offer a keeper as highly paid as DDG a fat new contract to continue as number two.
Thankfully so, adding a past it error prone goalkeeper wouldn’t do anything for us, it’s time people move on.De Gea's gone and wont come back.
This is not true.You can’t “phase in” a keeper like you do other positions. No clubs ever does this. Or in the very rare cases they try it always causes drama (e.g. Arsenal this season) For goalkeeper you need a clear number one and number two. You don’t offer a keeper as highly paid as DDG a fat new contract to continue as number two.
If he was given just 1 more year, we would have gotten Toni Kroos and Cavani.This is the new 'Moyes wasn't give enough time' isn't it?
You can’t “phase in” a keeper like you do other positions. No clubs ever does this. Or in the very rare cases they try it always causes drama (e.g. Arsenal this season) For goalkeeper you need a clear number one and number two. You don’t offer a keeper as highly paid as DDG a fat new contract to continue as number two.
How is he not?I disagree, I dont believe he is the main reason we are on our way out of the Champions League.
He’s also the main reason we might qualify for the champions league next season. He’s been quite outstanding in the league so far.How is he not?
Some of the reason we are conceding tonnes of shots is due to him being in goal. Gala were popping shots from everywhere on Wed thinking he had a mistake in him.He’s also the main reason we might qualify for the champions league next season. He’s been quite outstanding in the league so far.
I like Onana. I’ve seen enough good to forgive him in the CL. We ain’t got a prayer of winning the thing anyways this season given our defence injuries and out of form players.
I’d argue Onana is the least of our worries given we have looked toothless at times, conceded tonnes of shots and can’t control a game for toffee.
De Gea was terrible at playing out from the back and put our back four under needless pressure so Onana is an upgrade for sure in many areas if you ask me.Some of the reason we are conceding tonnes of shots is due to him being in goal. Gala were popping shots from everywhere on Wed thinking he had a mistake in him.
I say some, note I didn't say all of the reason.
Outstanding? Christ. The standards are through the floor. He's been OK in the league. For £47 million I expect a little more than average. I suppose it's an upgrade on his absolutely appalling form in the CL.He’s also the main reason we might qualify for the champions league next season. He’s been quite outstanding in the league so far.
I like Onana. I’ve seen enough good to forgive him in the CL. We ain’t got a prayer of winning the thing anyways this season given our defence injuries and out of form players.
I’d argue Onana is the least of our worries given we have looked toothless at times, conceded tonnes of shots and can’t control a game for toffee.
Is this the same guy Chelsea can’t give away?Some sections of our fanbase were clowns regarding Lukaku especially. Guy was a higher level and had more stones than any of our attackers since yet somehow he got all the blame.
Using Lukaku to try to prove that Onana is a good signing is not the winning argument you seen to think it is...De Gea was terrible at playing out from the back and put our back four under needless pressure so Onana is an upgrade for sure in many areas if you ask me.
He even has a higher shot stopping percentage than de Gea has had for years so I back the keeper. He’s new and with a solid defence in front of him he’s one of the worlds best as he proved last season.
He was magnificent in that champions league final and the run upto it. Certainly a better run than de Gea has had for almost a decade of form.
Reminds me a bit of LVG and Lukaku this.
Some sections of our fanbase were clowns regarding Lukaku especially. Guy was a higher level and had more stones than any of our attackers since yet somehow he got all the blame.
Now people use their rose tinted glasses to say he was a bad signing despite the fact he scored a tonne of goals played well in big games and was sold for a giant fee because someone rated him higher than our fanbase did.
He also went onto prove he was a top striker with the best form of his career after United. You get the feeling same would happen with Onana if he gets hounded out as well.
Would it be beyond the realms for De Gea to come back on a short term deal in January? Did he fall out with Ten Hag?
Onana now is worse. DdG needed replacing but on the evidence we've seen so far Onana is definitely a downgrade. Technically, he looks like one of the most un-keeperish goalkeeper I've seen, has already dropped a significant number of major clangers and has barely changed us with his work with the ball at his feet. He also looks barely any better at coming off his line than DdG while looking significantly weaker at shotstopping and 1 Vs 1.De Gea in his last season is as bad as Onana now. Lateral move.
Onana now is worse. DdG needed replacing but on the evidence we've seen so far Onana is definitely a downgrade. Technically, he looks like one of the most un-keeperish goalkeeper I've seen, has already dropped a significant number of major clangers and has barely changed us with his work with the ball at his feet. He also looks barely any better at coming off his line than DdG while looking significantly weaker at shotstopping and 1 Vs 1.
Yup, agreed that there's no point looking back at DdG again. Hopefully Onana improves from here as opposed to buckling under the intense scrutiny and goes on to forge a really successful career with us.As idiotic as it was to get rid of De Gea when other needs weren’t addressed and we’ve clearly downgraded with Onana, there’s no going back to De Gea now. We have no choice to hang in there with Onana until the end of the season and assess whether we need to get rid of him too. My take is that Onana has hit bottom and will pull himself together to enable us to stick with him for a few more seasons until his contract runs out and we look for another keeper.
Proper delusion that guy.Outstanding? Christ. The standards are through the floor. He's been OK in the league. For £47 million I expect a little more than average. I suppose it's an upgrade on his absolutely appalling form in the CL.
He’s better than that Turkish guy and De Gea is a free agent. Who do you think we’re going to get in January that is better??I'm confused, why would you want a player who wasn't good enough last year, is now older and hasn't played since then?
You must not have watched ddg if you think onana's inter run was as good as ddg 10 years ago. That was just getting into that 5 year period post sir Alex he was the 1st or 2nd best keeper in the world. ConsistentlyDe Gea was terrible at playing out from the back and put our back four under needless pressure so Onana is an upgrade for sure in many areas if you ask me.
He even has a higher shot stopping percentage than de Gea has had for years so I back the keeper. He’s new and with a solid defence in front of him he’s one of the worlds best as he proved last season.
He was magnificent in that champions league final and the run upto it. Certainly a better run than de Gea has had for almost a decade of form.
Reminds me a bit of LVG and Lukaku this.
Some sections of our fanbase were clowns regarding Lukaku especially. Guy was a higher level and had more stones than any of our attackers since yet somehow he got all the blame.
Now people use their rose tinted glasses to say he was a bad signing despite the fact he scored a tonne of goals played well in big games and was sold for a giant fee because someone rated him higher than our fanbase did.
He also went onto prove he was a top striker with the best form of his career after United. You get the feeling same would happen with Onana if he gets hounded out as well.
And how many times did he win our Player of the Year award?You must not have watched ddg if you think onana's inter run was as good as ddg 10 years ago. That was just getting into that 5 year period post sir Alex he was the 1st or 2nd best keeper in the world. Consistently
Four times!And how many times did he win our Player of the Year award?
Yup, agreed that there's no point looking back at DdG again. Hopefully Onana improves from here as opposed to buckling under the intense scrutiny and goes on to forge a really successful career with us.
Are you arguing against me with this?And how many times did he win our Player of the Year award?
From last season alone. He was really bad; it's just that Onana is most recently bad.Onana now is worse. DdG needed replacing but on the evidence we've seen so far Onana is definitely a downgrade. Technically, he looks like one of the most un-keeperish goalkeeper I've seen, has already dropped a significant number of major clangers and has barely changed us with his work with the ball at his feet. He also looks barely any better at coming off his line than DdG while looking significantly weaker at shotstopping and 1 Vs 1.
You must not have watched ddg if you think onana's inter run was as good as ddg 10 years ago. That was just getting into that 5 year period post sir Alex he was the 1st or 2nd best keeper in the world. Consistently
Yes, he was. How old are you?He was never the 1st or 2nd best goalkeeper in the world at any point, he made some quality saves mostly from shots from distance but has always been useless at penalties and one on ones