It's pathetic.
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It's pathetic.
Dunno about most cowardly ever but agree he’s severely lacking in cojones. Not ideal for a position where bravery is crucial.
There's no getting away from it for him. He's been awful for the past month or 2 but also pretty bad over the past year since last season ended actually. A few great performances here and there, but awful of late and it's cost us top 4 now. Huge decision to make in the summer now. Does he want to go? Will he go? Do we sign a new goalkeeper or stick with Romero/Henderson?
You're a entitled to your opinion.
For me, saying that it's pathetic to want to sell a player who's not renewing his contract is pathetic itself. So we'll agree to disagree on that.
De Gea has been a brilliant keeper for us over the last few seasons, single handedly winning us games, and arguably been one of our best players over the last few years. But his form recently has been erratic, and we've seen some soft/poor goals conceded by him. It is noticeable that up until Alonso's goal, De Gea hadn't had anything to do. I think Ole needs to drop him for the last two games, give Romero (who is a solid backup) a run out, and let De Gea sort himself out.
Cost us the points in that Chelsea didn't create anything else, doesn't matter if we drop him now or not as top 4 is over.
Wanting to sell him on the basis that he has a lapse in form and hasn't renewed his contract yet, with the sole focus being that it's happened more or less at the same time, is nothing else than people being butthurt about the contract.
He’s always been timid. Markedly so. Doesn’t want to get hurt.
Keepers usually have a reputation for being a bit mental whereas DDG is fragile.
"Butthurt". Jesus. Yeah I feel very "butthurt" about him not signing right now. That's exactly my feeling, you nailed it
I would sell him but I would've sold him during the 'fax machine' episode.
Not because of his form. He's still going to be class. I'd sell him because he wants to be somewhere else.
No issues. Get a tidy price and leave him go. Certainly don't pay the crazy wages he is rumoured to want.
Not because of his form. He's still going to be class. I'd sell him because he wants to be somewhere else.
No issues. Get a tidy price and leave him go. Certainly don't pay the crazy wages he is rumoured to want.
Anyway who cares after this. The last 2 games don't matter. He should have been dropped earlier. What sucks is that our best player for over 5 years has cost us top 4 with a series of terrible performances in a row.
"Butthurt". Jesus. Yeah I feel very "butthurt" about him not signing right now. That's exactly my feeling, you nailed it
Thanks.
Shame that people can't apply a bit of logic, acting like he's the sole reason we're not making top 4 and that he should feck off.
Rewind a few months and Rashford was the best thing since cheesesticks, fast forward to now. Rewind to when Lingard was one of the most underrated players in the league. And so on and so on.
But hey, if you want to base everything on emotions.
He made a bad error today which certainly contributed to the draw but to blame him for not getting top 4 is nonsense.
Our defence has been terrible all season, our attack toothless and our midfield ineffective. This is the one season that DDG has mirrored the teams form.
I'm basing nothing on emotions. But it's the only argument (you think) you have so you run with it. You sound more butthurt to be honest
It's kinda upsetting to think about how we never really capitalised on his brilliance over those years. But as soon as he has his first bad run of form it costs us top 4 in a summer when we really badly needed it to attract/keep players. It's going to be hugely damaging imo.
Keepers are often crazy fekers who go in any challenge regardless. Not him. He could have saved even that bounce but was too meek to try.
He needs to sign the contract before he plays again. Head clearly not here
We already offered 350k/w for him and he declined to sign. What people sugguest we do in this case ? Double his wage? That'd send a strong message for players am I right?
His mind is clearly elsewhere.
His mind is clearly elsewhere.
Our goal is free to all for taking shots. Most likely you'll score.
His first season with us, he was targeted by other teams & their bigger players to physically intimidate him. He was an absolute bean pole. Since then, the club has transformed his physique, put a good amount of muscle on him. His mentality has never caught up to his physique as evidenced by him choosing to be a reactionary keeper, mostly rooted to his goal line & never forcing the issue. He has had small patches of physical authority on crosses & cutting angles down, but his magic / mystique has mostly come from pure shot stopping, easily the best in the world over the four previous seasons. If only he allowed himself to be confident in his new physique, even a small amount, & have created an improved air of authority in his penalty box, even during his multiple seasons at the top of his game, we potentially would not be seeing such a downfall now. The goal today was 100% a mental error, a lack of confidence, & 100% his fault. Most of his errors during this shit patch have been mental. He just has always lacked in the confidence / cocky / authoritative department. Even having 30% of what VDS had in that department would have served DDG well, especially for Spain. But, it’s difficult to be a reactionary keeper & also be authoritative.
So what's the tally for the amount of points lost directly to his mistakes in the past 7-10 games?
He must have put a pretty hefty dent in his running surplus tally that he's racked up for us. Surely that's dropped him back down to the 'average' trend line of points won/lost by goalkeepers by now.
If we credit points won to his saves ignoring other game contexts (us scoring more/them scoring less) then we also need to attribute points lost to clear mistakes and blunders by him.
He must have put a pretty hefty dent in his running surplus tally that he's racked up for us. Surely that's dropped him back down to the 'average' trend line of points won/lost by goalkeepers by now.
If we credit points won to his saves ignoring other game contexts (us scoring more/them scoring less) then we also need to attribute points lost to clear mistakes and blunders by him.
He was largely considered the best gk in the world 12 months ago!
Astonishing comments in here. Remember when Fergie was in charge and players of all positions and talents would have dips in form? He'd protect them. He'd go that far for his players that he'd come across deluded but his priority was always the players.
This rubbed off on the fans aswell.
De Gea needs support. He's comfortably been our best performer of the past 5 years.
If you don't have the decency to stick with the players in bad times then you shouldn't be all over them at the good times.
I cannot relate with some United 'fans' at times
This rubbed off on the fans aswell.
De Gea needs support. He's comfortably been our best performer of the past 5 years.
If you don't have the decency to stick with the players in bad times then you shouldn't be all over them at the good times.
I cannot relate with some United 'fans' at times
He's having horrendous problems at the moment but our attack had to step up in the second half and it didn't yet again.
Having said that, I do think Romero should play the last two games just to take David out the firing line.
Having said that, I do think Romero should play the last two games just to take David out the firing line.
That's not a counter argument to the post you're quoting.
He was (rightly) considered the best shot stopper in the world but many people pointed out that he does not command the box and come out for crosses or through balls the way other keepers. Those were always weaknesses of his.
That mistake really deflated the whole stadium let alone the players. You could see the belief drain out.
Yep. This one is on Ole.
Mostly agree, DDG has always been far too soft.
He has bailed this team out again and again but when he needs them to bail him out he can forget it. This isnt a team this is a club full of fanny's. Two players played up to standard Herrera and Shaw, one is leaving and the other one will come bach from holiday dragging his arse. Removing DDG is this clubs last problem.
We need to sell. He wants to move, keeping onto him for another year is pointless. We made him a crazy offer and best paid GK on the planet and he didnt sign it. We wont challenge for trophies anytime soon, so yeah, best to part ways.
I get where you're coming from and agree with your overall point, but it's only a small minority insulting him. The majority on here don't really criticism him due to his history. They/we just think it's best he sits out for Romero who's done well for us in the past.
Not to mention he still receives a lot of love and support from Old Trafford. It's not like Madrid fans whistling at Ronaldo or the abuse Andre Gomes got from Barca fans. Or even us with Nani or Fellaini as recentish examples.
He looks as bemused by what's happening as everyone else, perhaps his body is just failing him where usually it wouldn't, so maybe he needs to look at doing some aspects of his game differently now, a bit like a striker who suddenly loses some pace and it just doesn't work like it used to.
Or maybe he's got tired of resisting falling into the same black hole every other decent player we have seems to do, and just dived in head first.
Or maybe he's got tired of resisting falling into the same black hole every other decent player we have seems to do, and just dived in head first.
Bollox. He’s just one of umpteen managers who don’t drop keepers during a bad patch. It’s actually incredibly unusual to see a keeper dropped when out of form. Only happens with young/new keepers struggling to settle, or if there are doubts about who should be number one. Literally never happens with keepers of De Gea’s status/reputation.
But hey, blaming Ole for everything is in vogue right now. So you might as well fill your boots.
Second half heads dropped a bit, the tempo was gone, the team started tiring and Chelsea were quite happy to defend the draw. It can be difficult to create clear cut chances in such games.
Objectively we didn't play a bad game, though it could have been better of course. We controlled the game, created some chances, scored a goal and completely nullified Chelsea and Hazard. The game would have been a comfortable win bar the goalkeeping fumble. We probably would have scored again if Chelsea had to start chasing the game in the 2nd, tiring and leaving gaps.
You can't expect in every game your team to ping 3-4 goals in. City won 1-0 today at Burnley.
He has cost us top 4 with his catalogue of errors this season. When your Goalkeeper is consistently blundering like this chap has been this season then it's gonna cost you. You just cannot keep gifting goals to the opposition like he has and blame the defence.
Ole must also take some blame for not taking him out of the firing line.
Ole must also take some blame for not taking him out of the firing line.
Not his style. Too timid. Unfortunately.
6 weeks of terrible form warranted a dropping. I've often seen keepers dropped after a bad spell to take them out of the firing line, it's not uncommon at all. His job is to make the tough decisions and in this instance he didn't and it cost us. Nothing got to do with been anti Ole (though I've always felt he should never have been given the job full time).
Many managers have dropped goalies. Arsenal dropped Cech for Leno, City dropped Bravo, Fergie had dropped Schmeichel.
Cech for Leno was just transition to a new keeper.
If you can only come up with two other (debatable) examples of top keepers being dropped since Schmeicel was in goals that proves my point.
Any specific examples?
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