What about Reina? Thank god we don't have that clown in goal
David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances
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De Gea at age 21 is already two levels above reina in terms of ability and composure.
I'm just seeing all these goalkeeping errors from several experienced keepers and wondering when the press are gonna start with them?
The Ruiz save was phenomenal.
SHmikes said todays ball moves so much its so much harder to catch it.
SHmikes said todays ball moves so much its so much harder to catch it.
I'm just seeing all these goalkeeping errors from several experienced keepers and wondering when the press are gonna start with them?
Never. Begovic made a good save with his legs yesterday and was praised. Each time DDG makes a save with his legs, it's a 'mistake' or 'strange save'.
I don't understand why they hate him so much. I also can't believe, Collymore is the voice of reason on DDG!
You know something is wrong with stan the man is coming to our defence !
Hart dropped a clanger in stoppage time but nothing came of it. Nary a fecking word
Last minute punch to the feet of an opposition player...sound familiar?
He came for the ball from a corner in the first half and missed too.
What pisses me off is that I have seen several bad mistakes from the Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City goalkeepers this season and De Gea is the only one who seems to get criticized.
The idiot pundits on ESPN even said they think we will sell De Gea because he isn't very good. fecking ridiculous.
The idiot pundits on ESPN even said they think we will sell De Gea because he isn't very good. fecking ridiculous.
I couldn't agree more. Keepers around the league, who are all human beings and are thus going to make mistakes, are given a pass while De Gea gets crapped on game after after after game every time United get scored on, regardless of how negligible De Gea's role is in the goal. A classic, almost archetypal, example was the recent goal by Southampton.
Thank fukking God we have Fergie, who doesn't melt buckle the idiotic criticism by the British media and putative club supporters who jump on De Gea's back every single time something goes awry defensively.
Truth is, United have brought in an outstanding keeper who consistently performs at an extremely high level. There isn't another keeper in the English prem who better serve us than David De Gea. Maybe you can find one or two in La Liga or the Bundesliga or Serie A, but that list of "better keepers" can't possibly run to more than 2-3 names.
Lloris was even more dodgy in his first few games for Spurs. I was surprised it wasn't really picked up by the media. Instead we still get rubbish analysts droning on about how De Gea should have done better when really, in most cases there was not much he could do.
I've been banging on in this forum on how De Gea isn't at fault for the spilled shots debacle because of the new balls. It may be clichéd but if you play as a goalkeeper, you know it's bloody true. I've mentioned in another thread the difference between a pre-wc 98 ball and the present day football. It's bloody hard because of how these newer balls can quite literally fizz about.
Peter Schmeichel has just come out and said something similar yesterday. I'd take his opinion on goalkeeping over these silly hacks.
I think we all agree that De Gea gets the hangman's noose because he 2) plays for United and 2) cost the Glazers 20m. So the bar is going to be much higher for him than Lloris or whoever.
Still, the obsession with De Gea and his "genuine mistakes" is lunacy. It all began with the Dzeko goal in De Gea's very first game. That shot dipped and swerved all over the place and De Gea just didn't -- or couldn't if you're a critic of De Gea -- get the read on it and make the stop. You're right to suggest that the modern football does funky things that it never used to do even as recently as the mid 1990s. This is by design, to increase scoring output. This is nowhere close to being deniable.
That said, De Gea has consistently made outrageous saves, despite new football technology. He gets to balls very few other keepers on the planet could possibly get to.
Agreed. Although Cech has been great this and last season, he was way off form for a few seasons on the trot making high profile blunders for club and country (remember the Euros?). The media made nothing of it.
Or the fact that Arsenal hasn't had a competent since Lehman.
It all points to the media being overly critical of DDG who is so young yet has done way more good than bad here. And at times has saved our asses and has been borderline brilliant with a few blemishes.
Cech is a goalkeeper who I think we can all agree has dipped in ability since his head injury. It's been long enough to conclude it isn't just form. He could have done better for the first goal. I do wonder whether De Gea could have saved the 2nd. Tim Krul arguably could have done better with Ba's effort too, but with these new footballs you can see that goalkeepers would rather get a strong hand on the ball than try to make a smart save when faced with a fierce shot. We've seen cracking shots go in despite the goalkeeper behind the ball because they either wanted to make a smart save, ie over the bar, or were fooled by the fizzball.
Just watched the City vs Liverpool game Hart made 2 errors on the same level as DDG vs Southampton. One of the defenders got back and did a goal line clearance to save him plus the mix up with Zabaleta was only down to luck why it didn't cause a goal. Plus he dropped a cross in the last minute at an attackers feet plus he came and missed a cross. Plus he got beat twice from 30 yards (not saying he was at fault for these) Yet in the analysis Redknapp says he is one of the best goal keepers in the world. Feckin unbelievable. If that was DDG he would be getting hammered. I'm not even getting into the Reina mistake. Will just make it all the sweeter when we win the league.
De Gea's problem is his ability to come and collect crosses that come into his 6 yard box.
Case in point - in the 79th minute or so (I can't quite remember when exactly) there was a cross from the left into the 6 yard box.
There was a wonderful replay angle on De Gea's positioning and reaction to it. The crosser is a left-footer who was outside the box with a few seconds to wind up and deliver the cross.
For those few seconds, De Gea was only focused on the strikers in front of him throughout the whole process. I'm not sure if he's been trained to do that, but surely once you read the play in front of you, you have to look at the trajectory of the out-swinging cross and if it looks like it's coming towards your area you then quickly decide whether to challenge for it.
If that's what he does constantly then it's no wonder he rarely ever comes out to challenge for balls he should be collecting with ease.
That's the kind of analysis we should be getting from the media but instead we only get high level clichéd views from the media.
I just saw the second Newcastle goal from yesterday. All they said about Cech was that he maybe could've done better and then they talked about Sissoko. De Gea got slaughtered a couple weeks ago for what I thought was a more difficult save and having basically the exact same end result.
Hart was in the right position technically. Not his fault really that Zabaleta wasn't looking while passing.
I hope to feck that David has a stormer against Everton & Real & proves all the critics wrong.If we do go on to win the league, I'd love to see how the media react and the whole critics posse proved wrong.
The difficulty of that saving that shot was that it went through the defender's legs. That can potentially put you off for that split second especially if unsighted.
No your wrong imo he was in the wrong position as it's about communication and it was clearly lacking from the GK as he is the one furthest behind the ball and Zabelata is facing the play it's up to him to call or he just can't come for it.
Depends on whether Hart called for it, which in fairness seemed like it.
I thought the opposite as if it was that noisy Zabaleta would just have cleared it and Hart wouldn't risk the shout. So obviously he heard nothing hence why he passed it back. That is how I saw it anyhow. On a side note DDG got put in that position through fault of Carrick, the one that Hart missed was all his own doing it was imo as bad as the Reina mistake but it didn't due to the defender bailing him out lead to a goal.
Any professional goalkeeper would remember to do something as basic as claiming for the ball in such a situation. Zabaleta looked incredibly sheepish too, hence my assumption. But it's all guesswork.
Yep but whoever is to blame i.e Carrick or DDG, Hart or Zabaleta both players in both pairs have some responsibility to shoulder imo regardless.
I think Ferguson, when asked about De Gea, needs to launch into the press. Mentione a couple of mistakes from 'better' keepers and ask where's the coverage on them etc. That should tell them to tone it down or be fair
It's quite a different situation as De Gea wasn't even coming for the ball. It was a bad back pass, simple as that. Whether De Gea should have done better when rushing out is not debatable to me. I'm not saying he should have charged and slid/dived into the challenge but he definitely should not have done a silly starfish jump. In such a situation you either stand your ground after rushing out and closing the angles and try to force the attacker wide, or make a proper challenge and run the risk of a penalty. No right or wrong in such a 50-50 situation.
Carrick or DDG situation was completely different.
If you start nitpicking to this level, then every keeper makes 10 mistakes each game at least. Hart came for the ball, and called for it which was the right decision too as he wanted to relieve pressure of his defence. Zabaleta had no positional awareness and was looking somewhere while passing towards the goal, which is a no no.
That being said I think he was caught off-guard by that dreadful backpass. He'll learn from it though.
Your speculating whether he did or not to be fair, looks like he never hence the pass back imo. But whether he did or not the communication regardless wasn't good enough and he is part fault for this.
It's basics of goalkeeping and you could see his mouth moving on one replay. And even if he didn't defender just can't back pass like that without even looking.
The Spurs game was like one of the first PL games he played for us, right after he had actually been a bit dodgy on long-range shots. But yeah, the number of long-range shots Spurs took in that game was ridiculous.
I don't think it matters at all now really. I'm sure any PL team and their management has more sense than to listen to the press. Most non-United fans I know know that we have a quality young keeper in goal and judging by twitter and various comments on different webpages it seems to be a growing trend, which makes it even more odd that journos seem to stick to their anti-Dave-crusade. When even rival fans accept that he's a quality keeper it might be time to stop with the mindless bashing.
If we win the league it will be "despite having De Gea in goal" for many journos I'm sure. Won't change a thing. He'll have to be consistently great for a few years to get the press off his back.
Agree with this point but then the GK can't come charging out either and regardless if you can see his mouth moving or not (this is not conclusive) why would Zabaleta pass it back if he had heard a shout? This is unlikely so either Hart never called or never called loud enough meaning he is at fault either fully or at least partly.
Thought I saw his mouth move too. Either way another basic aspect of defending is to make sure your backpass is not goal bound. That pass was too close to call.
Hart wasn't charging out mindlessly in this case. He was taking charge of his area. This is also something De Gea needs to improve on. Ignoring the speculation, it would be a simple miscommunication rather than a goalkeeping error on Joe Hart's part.
Agree 100% but one of the basic rules for good defending is good communication and it was clearly lacking here.
I just think we've been spoiled with two of the greats in Schmeichel and VDS. When I first started supporting United it was Chris Turner in goal, fighting with Gary Bailey for the top spot. Then came Jim Leighton, Les Sealey and finally the big Dane. When he left, it was Mark 'coke' Bosnich, Tim Howard and Roy frikkin' Carroll.
I love De Gea. I really hope he stays for as long as possible. His reflexes and reactions are phenomenal. Any supposed weakness will be fixed in the next year or two.
I love De Gea. I really hope he stays for as long as possible. His reflexes and reactions are phenomenal. Any supposed weakness will be fixed in the next year or two.
So the miscommunication is the error or do we need to dress it up? Put another way there was an error there and if I was the defender and my GK never shouted I'd kick his arse but either way we'd both get an ear bashing of most managers and told to sort it out.
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