That replay in slow motion is horrible, but in the blink of an eye looks a bit better. I'd have thought he should have put the boot through it, but as people pointed out, a potential penalty and red card would be worse than conceding. It was a mistake, it happens, I just hate people using mistakes to further an agenda that Dave can't hack it at United. VDS was making mistakes with us sure.
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That replay in slow motion is horrible, but in the blink of an eye looks a bit better. I'd have thought he should have put the boot through it, but as people pointed out, a potential penalty and red card would be worse than conceding. It was a mistake, it happens, I just hate people using mistakes to further an agenda that Dave can't hack it at United. VDS was making mistakes with us sure.
I'd be surprised if the ref had blown up if he'd used his hands tbh, the pressure on him should justify him using them even if thats not technically correct in law.
Either way, shouldn't have jumped over the ball.
70/30 on Carrick blame wise, though, imo.
third minute of the game, had he catches rodriguez then it would be a penalty and maybe a red card. pulling out of the challenge might look like a sissy thing to do but he might have just save us from playing the next 87 minutes with 10 men.
That was a hilarious goal to concede. He'll laugh at that once the sting wears off.
Eh? You can't just use your hands on a pass back because you're under pressure.
That was a hilarious goal to concede. He'll laugh at that once the sting wears off.
Exactly, it was just one of those moments.
That was a hilarious goal to concede. He'll laugh at that once the sting wears off.
Not if United don't win this
If he anticipated him not getting to the ball, then he should have stood off instead of over commiting and made himself big letting the striker make the first move.
And if he had committed early then he should have given away the indirect freekick. Dunno what the feck was he trying to do though ? Just got confused and ended up doing nothing.
To add to this, if you see the replay his movement starting off was a bit slow too. But that's being a bit harsh.
And if he had committed early then he should have given away the indirect freekick. Dunno what the feck was he trying to do though ? Just got confused and ended up doing nothing.
To add to this, if you see the replay his movement starting off was a bit slow too. But that's being a bit harsh.
should have dived and headed it out tbf tbf imo
If he'd have used his hands, everyone would be all over him for being daft and breaking the rules.
Carrick was at fault, but I think that De Gea could have reacted better than he did.
Of course you're not supposed to. But there's countless examples I can think of where a back pass has been ignored because a keeper was reacting to the pressure.
You obviously run the risk, but I'm really not sure the ref would have blown up.
You could say the same about any 1v1 situation early in the game. Keepers can't just pull-out and concede for fear of missing the challenge.
I don't remember this happening. The ref would blow his whistle for sure.
That might happen when it's debatable whether it was really a back pass. In this instance it was clearly a back pass and the ref would have most certainly awarded the indirect free kick.
He could've used his hands if he wanted to - an indirect free kick would've been a lot better. I completely understand why he didn't use his hands though, but saying that he couldn't is simply wrong as I'm sure you know.
He should've been more forceful when coming out. Instead of trying to boot it away like he did then close down the man or try booting it away in a safer way (i.e. don't jump out of the way leaving the goal completely open). That being said, if you want to describe the goal Carrick's mistake is definitely the one to highlight - "oddly" enough a few of the journos I follow on twitter took the other route. Blame De Gea first, and then mention in the next tweet that Carrick did poorly as well. Pretty much sums up the press coverage De Gea is getting; look for his mistakes first, and then look on what else was going.
Maybe he could have done better, but Carrick fecked it up and put him in a very difficult position. Luckily de Gea looks like a mentally strong guy, I think he can handle the pressure and prove all doubters wrong.
A bouncing back pass that was far too weak. Carrick has to take the bulk of the blame.
And a red card for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity? Or can you not give a red card for a pass back?
"Most of his "mistakes" aren't directly/totally his fault but these are blunders that didn't use to happen with VDS. i could be suffering from selective memory but certainly it didn't happen to this degree. "
This quote from another forum sums it up for me.
This quote from another forum sums it up for me.
Stop wasting your time on another forum.
Not really, as then it would have been Carrick's fault. There's a reason goalkeeper is there and he has to deal with such iffy situations.
Might as well blame Ando for the goal then otherwise as he gave the possession away initially which then as the play broke down resulted in Carrick being in that position.
Carrick deserves the main blame, yep. But De Gea should have done much much better. No 2 ways about it.
I agree that Carrick was at fault as well there, but it surprised me that some (many in the matchday thread) think that De Gea was in no way at fault there. Seriously, do people think that De Gea couldn't have done better with that? Like it was good or even great goalkeeping the way he played it?
We've got a bit of the Berbatov syndrome going on here, IMO. People get so upset with De Gea getting criticism in the media etc. that they go overboard protecting him. The truth as far as I'm concerned is that he is a great young player, who makes mistakes like any other. He'll be a great player for us, but he does have some mistakes in him at present, which need to be sorted out. They will be with time and experience.
We've got a bit of the Berbatov syndrome going on here, IMO. People get so upset with De Gea getting criticism in the media etc. that they go overboard protecting him. The truth as far as I'm concerned is that he is a great young player, who makes mistakes like any other. He'll be a great player for us, but he does have some mistakes in him at present, which need to be sorted out. They will be with time and experience.
Carrick and de Gea were both shit for the goal.
Have you read the replies in here yet? No one has said it was good goalkeeping or he couldn't have done better. What has been said was that it was a shit situation that every keeper is liable to make a mistake in.
The thread was bumped with a post that said De Gea wasn't to blame tbf...
And the matchday thread is full of posts going that way.
And there Dodgy again.
Not a single post in the Carrick thread though. Surely that says something.
Matchday thread isn't worth a shite man
I don't think anyone has been defending Carrick, so there really isn't much to discuss as people don't seem to be in disagreement.
Big Dave Saves
Lucky he took the step wall-side on that free kick, eh?
Saves galore from both Boruc and De Gea for a couple of minutes there.
He makes saves galore, he makes saves
He makes saves galore, he makes saves
He makes saves galore, he makes saves
Big Dave, he makes saves!
He makes saves galore, he makes saves
He makes saves galore, he makes saves
Big Dave, he makes saves!
the commentators on ESPN were all over him all game. everything he did was bad or "raised further questions"
It's becoming a joke!
Oh shit just heard Chelsea is 2-2!!!!!!! Lol
It's becoming a joke!
Oh shit just heard Chelsea is 2-2!!!!!!! Lol
Big save from Big Dave.
Should have done better with the goal. You'd expect any keeper at United to save the rest of the shots he stopped tonight. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Excellent save in the second half.
Could've done a bit better but Carrick is the one to blame for their goal, although I'm sure the press will ensure DDG is the one who gets the greater blame.
Could've done a bit better but Carrick is the one to blame for their goal, although I'm sure the press will ensure DDG is the one who gets the greater blame.
Not really his fault, difficult to come out of that as a winner tbf. Could have risked a pen and a red
Nah, it doesn't sum it up at all. It's a very lazy way of describing his time here so far. If you want to compare DDG and VDS you have to look at the team in front of them as well. For the majority of VDS' seasons at United he had Vidic and Rio ahead of him almost every game. The whole team was working very well defensively and we generally gave away quite few chances. DDG's time here is an entirely different story; constantly changing partnership in front of him and we're giving away loads of chances. DDG is usually towards the top on the "number of saves"-statistics which says it all really.
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