David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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Amir said:
Well, things do happen. Remember Alex Manninger? He was brilliant for Arsenal in their double winning season in 1998. He was 20 or 21, sure to have a bright future, but that was as good as it got. He's had a nice career after that, but not nearly as good as it was supposed to be.

But that's hardly the norm, of course. De Gea is doing very well and he will be ace.
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Now there's a blast from the past. Manninger wasn't too bad as I recall, but there again, he had a shit-hot defence in front of him.

I like De Gea from what I've seen of him so far and I share your opinion. He'll be fine. Can't say the same about his stand-in though.
 
So, do any caftards disagree with the assertion that De Gea is a very good keeper and that there is no rational ground to consider shipping him off?
 
Ruud10 said:
So, do any caftards disagree with the assertion that De Gea is a very good keeper and that there is no rational ground to consider shipping him off?
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I think if he stays at his current level for the next five years and doesn't push on then we'd probably look for an upgrade, but he's already very close to level we need and he's still so young that it would be really stupid to replace him now when he's extremely likely to get much better.
 
Blair said:
Thibaut Courtois, Bernd Leno and Marc-André Ter Stegen all look pretty handy, and 2 years younger.
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Fairly sure you've just plucked a couple of names out of the FM bin there and tacked on 'all look pretty handy'.

They all have similar stats to be honest.

Ter Stegen with only a couple of clean sheets and a few games where he's been hit for 2 or more and three games where he's hit for 4 and 5. (Not taking actual appearances into account, cbf going further than looking at the club)

Leno has also a hand full of clean sheets but hasn't been hit for a stack of goals in any of the games. Just the usual 1's and 2's.

Courtois however has 8 clean sheets, has been hit for 3's and 4's similar to Ter Stegen and the usual 1-2 on par with all of the other keepers.

So none of them are really doing mind boggling amounts of sensational keeping that would warrant someone going out straight away and throwing down 20m pounds and signing them. I would probably bet that each of these young lads would probably have the same problems at United through a lack of experience and bedding into a new team.

edit: Reading through it actually backs up your point and I was a little condescending.
 
ghaliboy said:
Fairly sure you've just plucked a couple of names out of the FM bin there and tacked on 'all look pretty handy'.

They all have similar stats to be honest.

Ter Stegen with only a couple of clean sheets and a few games where he's been hit for 2 or more and three games where he's hit for 4 and 5. (Not taking actual appearances into account, cbf going further than looking at the club)

Leno has also a hand full of clean sheets but hasn't been hit for a stack of goals in any of the games. Just the usual 1's and 2's.

Courtois however has 8 clean sheets, has been hit for 3's and 4's similar to Ter Stegen and the usual 1-2 on par with all of the other keepers.

So none of them are really doing mind boggling amounts of sensational keeping that would warrant someone going out straight away and throwing down 20m pounds and signing them. I would probably bet that each of these young lads would probably have the same problems at United through a lack of experience and bedding into a new team.
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You can't really look at goals conceded when rating a keeper, that has more to do with the defence.
 
ghaliboy said:
Fairly sure you've just plucked a couple of names out of the FM bin there and tacked on 'all look pretty handy'.

They all have similar stats to be honest.

Ter Stegen with only a couple of clean sheets and a few games where he's been hit for 2 or more and three games where he's hit for 4 and 5. (Not taking actual appearances into account, cbf going further than looking at the club)

Leno has also a hand full of clean sheets but hasn't been hit for a stack of goals in any of the games. Just the usual 1's and 2's.

Courtois however has 8 clean sheets, has been hit for 3's and 4's similar to Ter Stegen and the usual 1-2 on par with all of the other keepers.

So none of them are really doing mind boggling amounts of sensational keeping that would warrant someone going out straight away and throwing down 20m pounds and signing them. I would probably bet that each of these young lads would probably have the same problems at United through a lack of experience and bedding into a new team.

edit: Reading through it actually backs up your point and I was a little condescending.
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He's definitely right about Courtois. I've seen him play every game the past year and a half, and he's the real deal.
 
Courtois is incredible for someone so young. He's got all the physical abilities but he's already such a presence. And he kept a clean sheet in European final just before his 20th birthday, looking very comfortable and confident. He's a very special talent. If not for him I would've rated De Gea as the most talented young keeper out there. Can't go wrong with either of em.
 
Orton said:
He's definitely right about Courtois. I've seen him play every game the past year and a half, and he's the real deal.
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There's no doubt Courtois is the real deal, but has he had to deal with the intense pressure that De Gea has? Maybe, but I doubt it.
 
Ruud10 said:
So, do any caftards disagree with the assertion that De Gea is a very good keeper and that there is no rational ground to consider shipping him off?
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I wouldn't trade him anytime soon. He has shown he is a very good keeper bar the few mistakes. At his age I expect him to keep pushing on and becoming even better. I don't see any reason why we should replace him. The goals we have conceded mostly can't be put down to him. Generally its a mixture of the defenders error or the Midfield leaving the defense exposed that is costing us goals this season.
 
Ruud10 said:
So, do any caftards disagree with the assertion that De Gea is a very good keeper and that there is no rational ground to consider shipping him off?
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Statistically he's been the best goalkeeper in the Premier League this season; not bad for a twenty-two year old new to the country.
 
I'm extremely happy with him despite the normal mistakes he's made so far.This season has been a clear improvement on the last one, if he improves steadily like this I don't think SAF will be looking for a replacement like kieto is stupidly suggesting.
Goalkeeper is the least of United's worries at the moment
 
kouroux said:
I'm extremely happy with him despite the normal mistakes he's made so far.This season has been a clear improvement on the last one, if he improves steadily like this I don't think SAF will be looking for a replacement like kieto is stupidly suggesting.
Goalkeeper is the least of United's worries at the moment
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I actually think his form towards the end of last season has been the best I have seen for us.

He has had a pretty good season this year but I would not say I see a huge improvment if I am honest.

He is still very much a work in progress.
 
This thread is funny. Yes, De Gea has definitely made some mistakes this season, but more than anything, the problem I see with him is his communication with his defenders and command of the area. None of these things come easily because De Gea is still learning English and is fairly young for a goalkeeper.

SAF isn't stupid. When he bought De Gea, he had the option of buying other more experienced goalkeepers like Stekelenburg but opted for the young star who had a higher ceiling who we could develop to be the goalkeeper we want. De Gea is going nowhere, and we aren't going to sign anyone as a replacement, certainly not the likes of Begovic anyway.

On the flip side, you guys take the bait too easily! Every goal we concede you're all in a hurry to come into this thread and say it wasn't is fault. Who gives a feck what pundits think really?
 
Randall Flagg said:
He has had a pretty good season this year but I would not say I see a huge improvment if I am honest.
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His tendency to punch is a lot higher this year. His actual success rate on winning aerial ball is a lot higher in my opinion than it was last year.

He's definitely choosing when to come and when not to a lot more effectively which for me is a significant improvement. Not having a go at you but I personally can see that his keeping in several aspects has definitely improved enough to warrant praise.
 
I haven't been in this thread for probably a month, although I'm aware of a lot of recent speculation of him and can imagine the nature of some of the recent posts.

And then I simply think of that save at Stamford Bridge from Torres' header this season. Up there with the very best I have seen. No worries with De Gea for me, he's the real deal.
 
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Kietotheworld & the retarded British tabloids.
 
SAF gives time to players e.g. Anderson. For Christ sake even Roy Carroll got a chance. The only way we are selling him is if he wants out.
 
It was a superb save, and when the save was made Rafael was closer to him than Sturridge was. It was Rafaels fault for turning off.
 
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