David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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What does this have to do with my post? Have you just proven beyond reasonable doubt that DDG WILL return to play in Spain?

I wasn't really taking sides with the debate you were having with the other poster. I was just pointing out that

a) Using Reina as an example is pointless given the situations with Valdes and Casillas being entrenched at their respective clubs and similar ages

b)There exists a scenario where it may make sense for DDG to go back to Spain, essentially in a similar vein to the Ronaldo situation.

I was talking in the conditionals because obviously there is doubt. If I could accurately predict what others who do in the future, I'd go into financial markets and make myself billions.
 
The article would be more fun if it played into the other CL team "manager unhappy with keeper" story. Straight swap for Casillas then?
 
Garbage like this would never make it into US sports pages. How the fukk do these editors sleep at night, knowing that they have allowed pure and unfounded speculation to be printed without any supporting evidence whatsoever to disgrace British bird cages?
 
Garbage like this would never make it into US sports pages. How the fukk do these editors sleep at night, knowing that they have allowed pure and unfounded speculation to be printed without any supporting evidence whatsoever to disgrace British bird cages?

I agree, I don't know how this even makes it to the main page of a news website. It is complete and utter garbage.

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I can't fault him for either goal. The fault lies with the marking for them I feel. In both cases, we had three west ham players up against our two CB. No one tracked the extra player coming into the box and he punished us each time.

Other than the two goals, DDG had a quite game and didn't really have to do anything.
 
Im going to bump that story in 5 years when De Gea is still with United and amongst the World elite and the difference between him and Reina will be laughable.
 
The way the press in this country treat De Gea is obscene, and really hard to account for. Did he say something wildly offensive about tabloid journalists at some point?
 
Im going to bump that story in 5 years when De Gea is still with United and amongst the World elite and the difference between him and Reina will be laughable.

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I really really hope so! In a couple of years, he will be one of the best already!
 
I don't understand why articles like these keep getting published. De Gea has been one of the better keepers in the league this season, but going by the constant amount of rubbish written in the press you would think he was at fault for a goal every game. They obviously haven't been watching him play, take one look at our goals against then assume it's because of the keeper.

The casual football fan will read this, probably go along with it and de Gea will go years without getting the credit he deserves. No wonder every goal he concedes comes under scrutiny, even by United fans. It will keep happening as long as the press continue to publish nonsense like this.
 
The casual football fan will read this, probably go along with it and de Gea will go years without getting the credit he deserves. No wonder every goal he concedes comes under scrutiny, even by United fans. It will keep happening as long as the press continue to publish nonsense like this.

I personally can't believe people around the Caf saying that it's paranoia that the media keeps waffling on about how error prone De Gea is and ignoring other keepers.

It's as plain as day when the commentators moan and piss on about how shit he is. Boils my blood.
 
Cast aside any consideration of just how plausible this story is...instead, accept that this journalist Alan Nixon has never written any transfer stories that actually come to fruition.
I am surprised that the Mirror employs such a fiction writer. I would be surprised if he has any contacts at the club.
He is a complete feckwit, that's for sure.
 
Both headers were good powerful headers, not sure he could have done that much about them. They were past him before he knew it, hence the reason he didn't move for them.

There was one point in the match where he came out towards a West Ham player with his foot/leg rather than just diving and going for the ball with both hands. I found that a bit odd.

He is a great shot-stopper and is still young, and I hope in 5-10 years time he'll be the best GK in the world with us, but I would still like to see him be more commanding of his area.
 
Talking to a football mate yesterday and he mentioned the main reason we are suffering in defence is due to fact the defenders have no confidence with DDG.

Apparently the same happened when Bosnich was our GK, where he had issues with his kicking.

I'm told the solution is to buy a goalkeeper who is physically up to it, who can handle crosses which would then transmit to the rest of the team.

For me this is rubbish, as we've had a few injuries in particular with Vidic and Evra has regressed defensively so unfair to point the figure entirely on DDG.
 
I don't understand why articles like these keep getting published. De Gea has been one of the better keepers in the league this season, but going by the constant amount of rubbish written in the press you would think he was at fault for a goal every game. They obviously haven't been watching him play, take one look at our goals against then assume it's because of the keeper.

The casual football fan will read this, probably go along with it and de Gea will go years without getting the credit he deserves. No wonder every goal he concedes comes under scrutiny, even by United fans. It will keep happening as long as the press continue to publish nonsense like this.

I agree, it doesn't help when every time we concede a goal the cameras pan on him straight away as if he could do better, before the commentator either finds a way to blame him or says "It's not his fault" it really is as if commentators are dying to blame him for anything that happens.

It's simply to fill pages in newspapers, he's the goalkeeper at one of the top 2 clubs in England and the 2nd biggest club who's keeper has been no better than De Gea this season (in my opinion a lot worse) is English so there's no way he's going to get slated. When there's nothing to report on you'll get a story linking us with a random keeper and it makes little sense but people believe it and the story generates interest.

I do wonder when it's going to stop all the slating of De Gea, he has potential to be one of the best and has had a good season so far, unfortunately he will make mistakes as he's young and when he does it will probably be back to square 1 in terms of the media.
 
Talking to a football mate yesterday and he mentioned the main reason we are suffering in defence is due to fact the defenders have no confidence with DDG.

Apparently the same happened when Bosnich was our GK, where he had issues with his kicking.

I'm told the solution is to buy a goalkeeper who is physically up to it, who can handle crosses which would then transmit to the rest of the team.

For me this is rubbish, as we've had a few injuries in particular with Vidic and Evra has regressed defensively so unfair to point the figure entirely on DDG.

That's garbage if you ask me. If it was true I'd be having a word to the defence and not going after another keeper. No way, United have always been a unit and will remain that way as long as SAF is at the helm. I doubt he would allow any nonsense like that.
 
We had dodgy keepers in the past but we still win the league. Only problem is in Europe. Only Schmeichel and van der Sar helped us win the big prize.
 
The last thing and one of the most important things a keeper learns to use is his mouth. Communication is vital, but something that young keepers are in general very poor. I do not just mean screaming "keepers ball" but actually directing the back 4. The keeper has the best view, can see late runs and gaps, and it is only as you get older that you learn to spot these and direct them better. This will come and with it a better back 5.

But so far DDG has fantastic shot stopping, great distribution and is getting better under the high ball.

As for the 2 goals,no chance. There are 2 types of keepers, those that will dive, even when they know they have no chance of stopping the ball and those that will not bother. The 2 headers were both about perfect, DDG will know that and not even made the effort as it waqs hopeless, makes it look worse sometimes. Funnily enough, when I played I was the same.
 
Here's a transcript of what they were saying on Soccer Saturday the other week:

Jeff Stelling: Merse, do you think he could sort that defence out by buying another goalkeeper in the transfer window? If you look at David de Gea again, in the Newcastle game, certainly for the first goal he has to be culpable, doesn't he?
Paul Merson: Yeah, I think the first goal was a poor goal - I was saying to Tiss just then. I mean, the save, he pushes it straight into his hands and he didn't have to do that. He's a young goalkeeper. I don't think that is the problem. I don't think that if you spend £15-20M on a goalkeeper, I don't think he will save them too many more points. I think he's done alright, I think he makes the odd mistake. I mean, for me the fullbacks push so far forward it's a joke. I mean, people go on about Evra at the moment and he's scored a few goals - that is just covering the cracks. I mean, both fullbacks - you feel sorry for Evans and Rio Ferdinand and Vidic because they're just playing two at the back.
JS: I just want to stick to de Gea at the moment because, you know, Matt the crowd are on his back at the moment.
Matt Le Tissier: Yeah, yeah they are. It is tough for him, especially... they've conceded the same amount of goals at home that Southampton have.
JS: You can see the ire, the anger of the crowd when he does this.
MLT: This is just poor, this is a lack of confidence, Jeff. It's a complete lack of confidence.
PM: He's probably thinking it's pouring with rain, the ball's wet, I'll get rid of it - I'll punch it.
Charlie Nicholas: I think he's done that three or four times. I think it was the Fulham game, Jeff, and he came and went to punch it and it hit, I think it was Vidic when he was fit and went in for an own goal. He was all over the place at doing that. Three or four occasions that game and I think, you know, Alex Ferguson gets to the stage where players get: he's been out, he's brought him back in, he's left them out, he's brought them back in and none of the two goalkeepers have nailed it down for people to say "right, ok, it looks as if we're going to get stronger in that department", and he'll be sitting there thinking to himself if that problem is just the goalkeeper - I think it is broader than that, I think Evra has been really poor defensively. I think right back has been poor. I think Smalling looks as if he's badly needed games but there's mistakes there, but if the problem is goalkeeping and the manager's eye, then that will be sorted.
PM: If you're talking about getting a goalkeeper, and getting someone to play for now and in the Champions League and you want a good shot stopper, then, Shay Given?
JS: Hmm, I was thinking more someone like Begovic?
PM: Yeah, yeah Begovic is top drawer. I don't know how much he'd cost, though. But yeah, yeah he is top drawer.

They then go on to discuss other things like Carrick, our attack and whether we'll continue the way we have been doing, then back to the goalkeeping situation.

JS: We talk about goalkeepers, Phil, I mean, you saw an ex-Man Utd keeper play at the weekend in Ben Foster. I mean, there was a save at the end and we weren't sure if it was a save or not initially. I think we're pretty convinced it was now but..
Phil Thompson: This was absolutely... but, in fairness to de Gea, he can do these things - shot stopping. It's his decision making on crosses and whether to come or not, which confuses him.
JS: Is Foster a better keeper than de Gea?
PT: More reliable, because I think he's English and he knows and has been brought up to communicate with his back four, come and deal with things more, but that was just sensational. That was at a time that if that had gone in, they could have ended up getting beat.
PM: Same scenario with both goalkeepers, the club is probably too big for them. Probably too big for them, you know? If de Gea would have done that somewhere else and punched it, the crowd wouldn't have gone on like that, like they did. At big clubs, sometimes people can't do that.

Thread reaction to it at the time: https://www.redcafe.net/f6/david-de-gea-334187/index224.html#post12734771

In fairness some of them did defend him at times, but the talk about the crowd being on his back and Stelling's focus on de Gea was just poor.
 
We had dodgy keepers in the past but we still win the league. Only problem is in Europe. Only Schmeichel and van der Sar helped us win the big prize.

De Gea has already won the Europa League a tournament in which he was a key player for his team so I don't think his form in Europe will be much of an issue.
 
The whole Foster thing is funny. If he handled the pressure at United half as well as De Gea, he might still have been at Old Trafford. He couldn't, that's why he's at West Brom, where they can drool over his saves and think he's a top keeper.
 
Here's a transcript of what they were saying on Soccer Saturday the other week:


Thread reaction to it at the time: https://www.redcafe.net/f6/david-de-gea-334187/index224.html#post12734771

In fairness some of them did defend him at times, but the talk about the crowd being on his back and Stelling's focus on de Gea was just poor.

The suggestion of Shay Given pretty much sums them up, he had one of the worst performances in an international tournament I've seen.
 
Talking to a football mate yesterday and he mentioned the main reason we are suffering in defence is due to fact the defenders have no confidence with DDG.

Apparently the same happened when Bosnich was our GK, where he had issues with his kicking.

I'm told the solution is to buy a goalkeeper who is physically up to it, who can handle crosses which would then transmit to the rest of the team.

For me this is rubbish, as we've had a few injuries in particular with Vidic and Evra has regressed defensively so unfair to point the figure entirely on DDG.

Perhaps your "football mate" may like to consider if poor positioning and tackling, and on occasions total lack of marking, are all tangibly attributable to having "no confidence" in De Gea.

Do the defenders think "I have no confidence in De Gea" therefore I will not defend properly? What complete nonsense.

I know you disagree with him, so this is simply pointing out what a numbskull your mate is.
 
Now I'm not one of the DDG fanboys who infest this thread, I don't care whether he personally makes it or not as long as United win trophies. But I do think it is funny that the English media seem to disregard that he is still very young for a keeper:


SAF is "instead reported to be plotting a wheeze to bring Asmir Begovic to Old Trafford instead. A solid goalkeeper who is six years younger than his Spanish counterpart, Begovic would be cheaper and arrive with the added bonus of not being cup-tied for the Champions League."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jan/07/football-transfer-rumours
 
I don't understand this at all. I really don't.

Firstly, the OT support for De Gea has been refreshing in this modern age of football where fans boo and turn on players. It makes me proud to be a United fan.

Secondly, he is not as error prone as people like to make out. He isn't making as many errors as last season and with a settled back four in front of him he will really start to shine.

Thirdly, this argument that defenders show a lack of confidence in him. If that wasn't the case then the defenders wouldnt keep passing back to him and then making themselves available for the pass. Fullbacks wouldnt get forward as much as they would sit back to keep it tight. Also, when was the last time you saw De Gea come out for a defender to take it from him?
 
I don't understand this at all. I really don't.

Firstly, the OT support for De Gea has been refreshing in this modern age of football where fans boo and turn on players. It makes me proud to be a United fan.

Secondly, he is not as error prone as people like to make out. He isn't making as many errors as last season and with a settled back four in front of him he will really start to shine.

Thirdly, this argument that defenders show a lack of confidence in him. If that wasn't the case then the defenders wouldnt keep passing back to him and then making themselves available for the pass. Fullbacks wouldnt get forward as much as they would sit back to keep it tight. Also, when was the last time you saw De Gea come out for a defender to take it from him?

Agree. Defenders KNOW that they need to take on responsibility rather than EXPECTING DDG to ome out for crosses. There shouldn't be an issue. No call from keeper, then the defenders defend the crosses.

The whole back five have made errors this season on several occasions but to cite defenders' lack of confidence in DDG is asinine.
 
Here's a transcript of what they were saying on Soccer Saturday the other week:


Thread reaction to it at the time: https://www.redcafe.net/f6/david-de-gea-334187/index224.html#post12734771

In fairness some of them did defend him at times, but the talk about the crowd being on his back and Stelling's focus on de Gea was just poor.

The question that needs to be asked is whether Asmir Begovic would really improve the side, Lindegaard has struggled in games so my take on this is getting another goalkeeper is not the answer.
 
De Gea has made 2 errors which have led to goals this season. Fulham and Newcastle, both games in which we ended up winning anyway. Most if not all keepers in the league have made more errors, yet somehow it's only de Gea's which are mentioned frequently. City game, Arsenal game, Chelsea game. He was getting praised a fair bit during those, yet one mistake and he's suddenly not got the bottle to be United keeper, even though he's 22 and only in his 2nd season here. He's only going to get better, so the press can keep banging on with what they like. Maybe when we win the league this year they will finally lay off him a bit.
 
If De Gea had only made two errors which had lead to goals then these news stories wouldn't be coming up.
 
Agree. Defenders KNOW that they need to take on responsibility rather than EXPECTING DDG to ome out for crosses. There shouldn't be an issue. No call from keeper, then the defenders defend the crosses.

The whole back five have made errors this season on several occasions but to cite defenders' lack of confidence in DDG is asinine.

Exactly, It's not like the defence and the keeper don't know what they are to be doing. They will be working in training beforehand and know what their responsibilities are. If de Gea is told to stay on his line more then he will stay on his line. If a marker loses his man and we concede from a set piece or a cross it doesn't mean de Gea should have come for it. When keepers start coming for most crosses that's when mistakes happen most. One slip, knock or bump along the way then the opposition have an open net. Of course back in the day we had dominant keepers like Schmeichel, and VDS but even they made howlers. Looking back at old footage, Schmeichel did make a fair share of mistakes.

As for the crowd getting on his back thing, that's just nonsense. If anything it's the complete opposite.
 
If De Gea had only made two errors which had lead to goals then these news stories wouldn't be coming up.

Look, I think we agree DDG has made errors. No one is arguing against you.

But you must see the criticism that DDG gets from the media is over-the-top.

Honestly, you won't be happy until the guy is no longer a United player!
 
So begovic is keeping behind the most solid defence in the premier league - makes him look good.

De gea has faced the most shots at goal in the premier league I believe, and he also has the highest shot / save ratio?. I really don't see the hate. According to opta stats he has been the best keeper in the league.
 

The same Daily Mirror that reported we bought Sneijder for £30m in a done deal? Yeah, OK. Sick of hearing it, DDG is on a 5 year contract and we paid £18m for him, he's going no where. That's not value for money and Ferguson doesn't give up on players that easy, not that he has any reason to give up on DDG anyway. He's been playing well.
 
Here's a transcript of what they were saying on Soccer Saturday the other week:


Thread reaction to it at the time: https://www.redcafe.net/f6/david-de-gea-334187/index224.html#post12734771

In fairness some of them did defend him at times, but the talk about the crowd being on his back and Stelling's focus on de Gea was just poor.

The whole crowd isn't on his back but there's more than just a few at OT that are and it's definitely noticeable.

This is contrary to the away support though who always sing him name and seem to really get behind him.
 
The whole crowd isn't on his back but there's more than just a few at OT that are and it's definitely noticeable.

This is contrary to the away support though who always sing him name and seem to really get behind him.

Ive honestly never heard anyone slate him at the ground. However, this season where I sit no one actually says or does anything so that is probably why
 
Asmir fecking Begovic. Have a word.

Odd post. Whether you rate de Gea or not Begovic is a solid 'keeper. Has probably been the best in the league this season. Still only 25 too.
 
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