David de Gea | 2011-14 Performances

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ha_rooney said:
That gif is :drool:

Other than Nev blaming him about the freekick, it's a shame neither BBC nor Sky discussed his performance or that save. If that was another GK from another team in Manchester, you can bet they'd have brought it up.
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I'm sure if the game didn't have the massive talking points such as the red card and the offside goal more would have been made of DDG performance and that save in particular. Though with how the game panned out its no surprise the media are focusing on other things.

Plato said:
We can say it's as unorthodox as we like. Fact is, he learned it somewhere and it's paying off for us. What's more surprising is how some in the media construe DDG's "unorthodox" approach as the wrong way of goalkeeping. I know a fair amount are used to seeing keepers use their hands more, but at least be open to the benefits of using your legs at times.
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I have no problem with him using his feet. Whatever works to keep the ball out is fine with me.
 
I think he's an absolutely class keeper. Yeah he makes mistakes here and there but what keepers don't? It just doesn't get bloody talked about as much. On top of that is the fact he's still young and the fact he's had a shoddy defence in front of him for much of this season. There aren't many keepers in the world I'd rather have at United taking everything into consideration (this is not me saying he's one of the best in the world by the way).
 
VeevaVee said:
I think he's an absolutely class keeper. Yeah he makes mistakes here and there but what keepers don't? It just doesn't get bloody talked about as much. On top of that is the fact he's still young and the fact he's had a shoddy defence in front of him for much of this season. There aren't many keepers in the world I'd rather have at United taking everything into consideration (this is not me saying he's one of the best in the world by the way).
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But he clearly is, that's why we bought him.
 
VeevaVee said:
I think he's an absolutely class keeper. Yeah he makes mistakes here and there but what keepers don't? It just doesn't get bloody talked about as much. On top of that is the fact he's still young and the fact he's had a shoddy defence in front of him for much of this season. There aren't many keepers in the world I'd rather have at United taking everything into consideration (this is not me saying he's one of the best in the world by the way).
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Thats assuming that he one day is able to deal with crosses and command his box. Also he needs to work on his one to ones. He could easily be the same as Reina(Although he is a much better shot stopper).

Having to come up to the Level of VDS and Schemichel to be regarded as a success at OT wont be easy.
 
Dargonk said:
That really started to annoy me after a while. I could accept the idea the first time he did it as it was a bit strange to uses his legs for that one. but all the others were great reflex saves that he did well to keep out.

DDG was a large part of why we didn't go into the break level or even behind IMO. Had a really great game bar that one miss kick
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I agree. He is one keeper who save shot with all parts of his body. Not just hands. I 'm looking forward to him mastering aerial football in the long run.
 
Gaz is being a bit of a numpty. The hardest shots to stop are when the forward is coming down the centre - he can shoot right or left - the gk is pretty much stranded until he shoots.

The same applies to the freekick - as it was central Mata had a choice of bending it to the right or left - DG could not antcipate which was he was going to shoot.

When the freekick is to one side of the goals then you have a near post where the wall is set up and a far post where the GK starts and usually moves across to the near post because most freekicks takers take on the shot over the wall to the near post because it has more chance of success.

In the Mata freekick both posts could be considered as near posts as the freekick was in a central area. It was more a game of cat and mouse where DG either anticpated and got it wrong or just stood there waiting to see which waty the ball went but he would never have been able to react and move to stop the ball after its been hit as he wouldnt have the time.
 
VeevaVee said:
I think he's an absolutely class keeper. Yeah he makes mistakes here and there but what keepers don't? It just doesn't get bloody talked about as much. On top of that is the fact he's still young and the fact he's had a shoddy defence in front of him for much of this season. There aren't many keepers in the world I'd rather have at United taking everything into consideration (this is not me saying he's one of the best in the world by the way).
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I agree, the potential he has is huge. Technically he has some great attributes, most notably his reflexes, distribution and shot stopping. He will be our number one for 15 years if he wants to stay. Problems he has are obvious really, he needs to get physically bigger (which we're working on by all accounts) and he needs to command his box better.

When you're that young though and English isn't your first language and people are bullying you in the box its almost an impossible task to be Manchester United's goal keeper with the amount of scrutiny that goes on top of a natural learning curve. If he had Neuer or Hart's build then he wouldn't be having this many teething problems at a guess.

Experience, Command of the language, confidence, Build. He'll be one of the best in the world in a few years. He just needs time, and at United, like Rafael has found, people on the outside are very reluctant to give it.
 
Sure he needs to bulk up a bit but it means nowt if he doesn't learn how to use his body properly to get between ball and player. He rarely protects himself and he needs to get it in his brain it's okay to give as much back as he's getting. In the PL, that aspect of physicality will never change. Other than his decision-making on crosses, this is really the only glaring issue he has bar communicating more with the back 4. Though that aspect is improving.
 
My only Goalkeeping experience is from fifa, but maybe someone can clear this up for me.
In regards to the mata freekick goal.. i thought it was standard for the GK to set the wall, to protect one side of the goal, and the GK to protect the other whilst getting a clear view of the ball.

Ive seen nothing to suggest this is what De gea did. The wall appear way too centrally (Although it was a mess of a wall) and at no point could Gea have a clear sight at the ball.
 
UnitedBoy said:
My only Goalkeeping experience is from fifa, but maybe someone can clear this up for me.
In regards to the mata freekick goal.. i thought it was standard for the GK to set the wall, to protect one side of the goal, and the GK to protect the other whilst getting a clear view of the ball.

Ive seen nothing to suggest this is what De gea did. The wall appear way too centrally (Although it was a mess of a wall) and at no point could Gea have a clear sight at the ball.
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When its that close and with a player as capable as Mata standing over its probably thought to be more beneficial to have as many in the wall as possible. You also have opposition players (Ivanovic in this case) blocking the view of the keeper so this is another reason to have a couple of extra bodies.
 
The trouble is that his mistakes are treated cumulatively. When he makes one, the media drag up every other mistake he's ever made and claim there's a pattern. But though his multitude of good games and world-class saves are normally mentioned and praised after the match, they are then discarded and never referred to again.

If his next match features a slip of any kind, there is absolutely no chance you'll hear anyone in the media saying 'yes, but he is the reason they won against Chelsea and he was brilliant throughout this match, so this one slip probably shouldn't affect his reputation too much.'
 
Brightonian said:
The trouble is that his mistakes are treated cumulatively. When he makes one, the media drag up every other mistake he's ever made and claim there's a pattern. But though his multitude of good games and world-class saves are normally mentioned and praised after the match, they are then discarded and never referred to again.

If his next match features a slip of any kind, there is absolutely no chance you'll hear anyone in the media saying 'yes, but he is the reason they won against Chelsea and he was brilliant throughout this match, so this one slip probably shouldn't affect his reputation too much.'
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It's like Chicharito and link up play. People will forget about the Braga game next time he misplaces a pass or shows a bad first touch. Similarly all De Gea showed in the run in last year and at Everton and Chelsea this season will be instantly forgotten next time he fluffs a cross. People like to have their judgement validated and will snatch at any 'evidence' that proves their rightness.
 
Brightonian said:
The trouble is that his mistakes are treated cumulatively. When he makes one, the media drag up every other mistake he's ever made and claim there's a pattern. But though his multitude of good games and world-class saves are normally mentioned and praised after the match, they are then discarded and never referred to again.

If his next match features a slip of any kind, there is absolutely no chance you'll hear anyone in the media saying 'yes, but he is the reason they won against Chelsea and he was brilliant throughout this match, so this one slip probably shouldn't affect his reputation too much.'
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You're making it sound like some sort of vendetta.

In general he is praised as one of the best shot stoppers in the league from what I've seen. Pundits mention his trouble with crosses or physical players, but you can't expect them not to.
 
Theon said:
You're making it sound like some sort of vendetta.

In general he is praised as one of the best shot stoppers in the league from I've seen. Pundits mention his trouble with crosses or physical players, but you can't expect them not to.
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Thing is Joe Hart has made some ridiculous errors and only his performance against Dortmund and maybe Madrid can be compared to the way De Gea played at Chelsea and Everton. But most pundits will have you believe this season Hart has rarely made mistakes and De Gea has been all over the place. You can't deny the commentariat have a view of De Gea and they only talk about the evidence supporting their view.
 
UnitedBoy said:
My only Goalkeeping experience is from fifa, but maybe someone can clear this up for me.
In regards to the mata freekick goal.. i thought it was standard for the GK to set the wall, to protect one side of the goal, and the GK to protect the other whilst getting a clear view of the ball.

Ive seen nothing to suggest this is what De gea did. The wall appear way too centrally (Although it was a mess of a wall) and at no point could Gea have a clear sight at the ball.
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read my post above no 7886.
 
I doubt there's a keeper in the premiership with a better highlights reel. Some of the saves he makes are extraordinary
 
#07 said:
It's like Chicharito and link up play. People will forget about the Braga game next time he misplaces a pass or shows a bad first touch.
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It's not so similar, Javier's link up play has been erratic up to now to say the least. It's only now that he started improving that aspect.

De Gea on the other hand is tormented just because he was a bit shit in his first two games for us.
 
UnitedBoy said:
My only Goalkeeping experience is from fifa, but maybe someone can clear this up for me.
In regards to the mata freekick goal.. i thought it was standard for the GK to set the wall, to protect one side of the goal, and the GK to protect the other whilst getting a clear view of the ball.

Ive seen nothing to suggest this is what De gea did. The wall appear way too centrally (Although it was a mess of a wall) and at no point could Gea have a clear sight at the ball.
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In the old days, yes. I would have had maybe 4 in the wall and stood to the side so I get a clear view of the kick. But with the modern ballons(sorry balls) they have, the general thought when the FK is that close and central, get as many bodies in the wall as you can without leaving no cover. DDG had his wall ok, it basically covered the whole goal, the wall did disintegrate, he will have seen this and moved to try and get a glimpse through the wall. This step was away from the side Mata scored. Rooney scored like that against Arsenal last season at OT and no=one thought thier keeper was to blame. I feel for DDG to be honest. Tarred with his first few games and now iit has stuck.
 
Tomuś said:
It's not so similar, Javier's link up play has been erratic up to now to say the least. It's only now that he started improving that aspect.

De Gea on the other hand is tormented just because he was a bit shit in his first two games for us.
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Know him personally do you?
 
I fecking love Big Dave.
 
From Mdanani in the newbs.

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Vato1979 said:
It's shit like this that is going to give Ferguson a heart attack though. Wouldn't surprise me if he got benched for stuff like that.
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Are you serious ? Better than doing what the shakhtar keeper did.

He was in complete control the whole time and never looked panicked, that was perfect goalkeeping IMO.
 
Vato1979 said:
It's shit like this that is going to give Ferguson a heart attack though. Wouldn't surprise me if he got benched for stuff like that.
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Dot be daft it was excellent. He'd been put in a situation and he handled it well. How many keepers have we seen flap and boot it into the oncoming player and for it to defy the law of averages and either go goalwards or drop at the attackers feet for an easy roll in.

It was hardly a Barthez like dribble towards a player.
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it at all. I'm just saying that most managers probably don't like keepers doing flicks like that when their team isn't leading by many goals, that's all.
 
Vato1979 said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it at all. I'm just saying that most managers probably don't like keepers doing flicks like that when their team isn't leading by many goals, that's all.
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What would most managers prefer there? Him to kick it into the attacker?

He was given the ball under pressure and he dealt with it in the best way possible.
 
I'm always right said:
What would most managers prefer there? Him to kick it into the attacker?

He was given the ball under pressure and he dealt with it in the best way possible.
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I bet they prefer them to try and kick it out of the stadium when pressured instead of doing flicks to get past their man.
 
Seeing that his Edwin's successor, it seems entirely appropriate that he does things like that (and feels comfortable doing it).
 
VDS did stuff like that all the time and i doubt fergie cared. De gea does it with the poise of VDS so i don't really see a problem
 
Made a good save from the freekick and did well to hold onto a low cross/shot in the first half.

I think the skill he did shows the confidence he has at the moment and it's important Fergie doesn't get the urge to start rotating again. Continue with DDG who has done quite well the past few games.
 
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Great body strength from Benteke in build-up to that goal. Smalling's strong but swatted aside. Poor from De Gea too #avfc #mufc

Poor from de Gea? What? Is he serious?!
 
DDG bashing on every goal we concede is now the norm.

Brilliant strike, keeper saw it late. Would've been a superb save had he stopped it. But that doesn't matter.
 
Beaten by a good strike but at the height it was I think he'll be disappointed that he didn't at least get a hand on it.
 
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