I think you have whiffed on that one Spoony but then we shall see wont we?
Darron Gibson - is he good enough for Everton?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
I think you have whiffed on that one Spoony but then we shall see wont we?
He has more then a good shot, his passing can be accurate and creative, he might develop into a strong attacking player
He hasn't shown it in his first team appearances, he looked like he couldn't pass water.
I wouldn't call it speed of movement as much as he tends to rarely take up good positions with his off the ball movement.
I find or rather have a hard time finding him on the field. He doesn't seem to be in the right position most of the time. When you look at good midfielders you see them a lot during the game....Gibson, barely notice him. Just what I see.
To some extent we have had this discussion for about 18 months.
There are a lot of people who seem to have accepted him ......at least as a squad player who provides options.
Theres a hard core that are not convinced. And some who dont really want him to succeed so that they can say "I told you so".
Ive always been one of his more active supporters but I do worry about his knack of drifting out of a game.
In nine months time we will all know a lot more than we do right now.
Its a big year for Darron Gibson.
There are a lot of people who seem to have accepted him ......at least as a squad player who provides options.
Theres a hard core that are not convinced. And some who dont really want him to succeed so that they can say "I told you so".
Ive always been one of his more active supporters but I do worry about his knack of drifting out of a game.
In nine months time we will all know a lot more than we do right now.
Its a big year for Darron Gibson.
Aye, I'm a bit concerned about him, to be honest. It goes without saying his long range shooting is a massive plus, but a lot of his midfield play is below-par. The number of times he lets someone run behind him as he squares off against the ball, or uses the ball poorly in good positions is a problem.
I hope he improves because if you can somehow meld the goalscoring midfielder he is with a constructive midfielder then he'd be a big player for us. I haven't seen the signs of it as yet though.
Isnt that what we normally expect a striker to do and not a midfielder? Is thats the criterion, then should he be player right upfront and be judged on that?
A midfielder has to do more and scoring goals is a bonus otherwise Scholes should not be playing anymore. Its like saying " she's got nice tits... that will do, I will marry her"... there got to be more than that.
He had a bloody good game against Bayern... ( CL Runner's up mind you )
Why can he not make it ?
He might not be world class but certainly he can be a good squad player for us. I'm pleased with that.
Why can he not make it ?
He might not be world class but certainly he can be a good squad player for us. I'm pleased with that.
Because he can score goals I think he'll be allowed two or three more seasons at the club to learn some passing and tactical sense.
Passing sideways and backwards is not enough for a midfield which may be without Paul Scholes in the near future.
The club will be patient with Gibson, I think, but if it weren't for that shot he has he'd be the next David Jones IMO.
Passing sideways and backwards is not enough for a midfield which may be without Paul Scholes in the near future.
The club will be patient with Gibson, I think, but if it weren't for that shot he has he'd be the next David Jones IMO.
im not convinced by him yet, but i think this season will be a good acid test - because next summer, with a lot of our old guard retiring, we are going to need replacements, and if the fringe and youth players like Gibson and perhaps Anderson havent proved themselves as being ready to step into the first team (or at least as a consistent squad player) then we will have to look to buying in some more players.
With that said, I still feel that there would be room for a world class midfielder in the squad at the moment. None of our youth prospects I believe are going to be world class, so I would much rather we ditch some of the deadwood (Carrick, Hargreaves) and buy in a midfielder of proven qualiter (eg sneijder) who would work well in a 3-man midfield but also partner Fletcher in a 4-4-2.
With that said, I still feel that there would be room for a world class midfielder in the squad at the moment. None of our youth prospects I believe are going to be world class, so I would much rather we ditch some of the deadwood (Carrick, Hargreaves) and buy in a midfielder of proven qualiter (eg sneijder) who would work well in a 3-man midfield but also partner Fletcher in a 4-4-2.
Gibson actually does have a good range of passing, it's just that he almost never uses it. He needs to step up and get more involved, try to actually exert some control on our team. He does seem to have the ability, but he doesn't seem to have the mentality.
A bit harsh but i know what you mean. I certainly don't know where people are getting this "great range of passing" from.
I think he's got a real chance to make it at United as a squad player. His ability to get goals is obviously his biggest asset so if he an tune his all round game to become a competant player for United then there won't be any complaints form me.
The "great range of passing" comments come from watching him, well, passing the football.
Obviously, he's inconsistent and when he's not on his game his passing goes to pot. When he plays well though, his accurate short and long range passing is a real feature of his game.
Gibson can pass.
My main concern about him is his engine, or lack thereof. Decision-making as well, but would expect that to improve.
It may well be that his best role will be in front of two other midfielders.
My main concern about him is his engine, or lack thereof. Decision-making as well, but would expect that to improve.
It may well be that his best role will be in front of two other midfielders.
Don't be a smart arse Pogue. It doesn't suit you.
I disagree. Pinging an occasional great long ball but then having it littered with a number of stray passes and giving the ball away doesn't mean it's a skill he has in his locker. I can ping the occasional cross field. It doesn't mean i'm any good.
Don't ask silly questions if you don't want smart arse answers. Where do the "great range of passing" comments come from? From his great range of passing.
As has previously been pointed out, his problems are in other areas - mainly around keeping with the pace of the game and positional awareness but I don't know how anyone can watch Gibson and not appreciate that he's a very competent passer of the ball.
Just because you disagree doesn't make it silly. I don't agree he has a great range of passing. He's a decent passer of the ball. Nothing more imo.
I think you have to make a difference between the technical aspect (ie hitting a 40 yard pass into one's feet) and the more let's say mental aspect - identifying and timing a 40-yard pass. it's no use knowing how to hit 40-yard passes when you are not capable of knowing when to hit them.
Scholes and up to a certain point Carrick are good at both, i m not sure about Gibson
Yeh i'd be inclined to agree. That's kind of the point though. Passing isn't about just having the skill, it's knowing what sort of pass to make at the right time.
I'm not saying Gibson is a poor passer of the ball, he's OK. I don't see how people can see it as a really positive feature of his game. It's just, well, ordinary.
mind you, Vidic is awful at both... 
So far, I have not seen that extraordinary talent that you need to succeed as a midfielder at United. He lacks many things in different departments, as pointed out above. While I always thought Fletch is going to make it (I defended him here for like 3 years or so), I have my doubts with Gibson.
I have yet to see a game where he shows that he is a special player. And I disagree that he had a brilliant game against Bayern. He scored a great goal, but other than that, he didnt stand out at all
I have yet to see a game where he shows that he is a special player. And I disagree that he had a brilliant game against Bayern. He scored a great goal, but other than that, he didnt stand out at all
mind you, Vidic is awful at both...
Thing is though, it doesn't matter if you're a poor passer of the ball as long as you know it. Vidic realises this so plays it very very simple. Which is fine by me.
I think any pro midfielder can and should hit a 40 yard pass into one's feet. The decision making, concentration, vision are the qualities that make one a good passer.
You may say Gibson has a good passing technique, but that alone doesn't make him a good passer.
On the side note I think Gibson is a good passer only when he's given time on the ball and not under constant pressure.
Thing is though, it doesn't matter if you're a poor passer of the ball as long as you know it. Vidic realises this so plays it very very simple. Which is fine by me.
Problem is that the smarter opponents would know this and they would make sure that he will not have many options near him. For example their striker would more likely to keep an eye on Rio who is better with the ball. Then vidic's option would be limited to either pass the ball to the keeper or hit it long, as long as someone like Scholes does not drop deeper to pick up the ball.
Having a great range of passing only really refers to the technical aspect though. You can have a wide range of passing but have a relatively mediocre all-round passing game.
His passing in general's been quite unimpressive but there's been glimpses, there's potential.
IMO, Gibson will become a very good player but I have a feeling he might only ever be good enough as a squad player for us. (I really hope I am proved wrong because since United's tour of SA a few years ago, I have had high hopes for Foster and Gibson).
The problem I have with Gibson is that he offers a good all round game, but not a great one. (besides his shooting, which on his day, he can be a world beater with). On top form, he does not have the ability of Scholes, Anderson or even Carrick (he might be more consitent then Anderson/Carrick though). Maybe he will turn into a good box-to-box like Fletcher, but I also don't think that is what we need. We need either a good holding midfielder with a solid passing range or a creative midfield/playmaker, & I dont think Gibson is either.
I hope I am proven wrong though. Q Gibson to bang in 15+ for us this season
The problem I have with Gibson is that he offers a good all round game, but not a great one. (besides his shooting, which on his day, he can be a world beater with). On top form, he does not have the ability of Scholes, Anderson or even Carrick (he might be more consitent then Anderson/Carrick though). Maybe he will turn into a good box-to-box like Fletcher, but I also don't think that is what we need. We need either a good holding midfielder with a solid passing range or a creative midfield/playmaker, & I dont think Gibson is either.
I hope I am proven wrong though. Q Gibson to bang in 15+ for us this season
But how can his wide range of passing be seen as a plus side when he doesn't execute these passes. Surely when talking about a wide range of passing it refers to his ability to complete the pass.
It's seen as a reason to be positive about his future, it shows he's got the ability to execute long passes off either foot if he develops his mental game a bit more. He has a wide range of passing that he's yet to fully show because he's not up to the pace, when/if he is he will. Anderson, for example, doesn't have that same range of passing.
We're all talking about potential here, Gibson's far from the finished product. People are saying if Gibson continues to develop his game as he has done in the past year - after stagnating, it seems - then he'll be a very capable passer long and short.
Well, wat wud u do?
"@MarkBrighty we read the papers,listen to the radio,look on the net etc just like YOU and every1 else to find out about all transfers!
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter in reply to MarkBrighty"
So Rio is ehsanul?
about 1 hour ago via UberTwitter in reply to MarkBrighty"
So Rio is ehsanul?
I agree, and I would imagine SAF would be less than impressed with stuff like this.
Yeah - he said that was to do with Lebron James. Who took a pay cut to go to Miami (with a couple of other stars) so that the stars would all fit under the wage restrictions.
Taylor writes for the Guardian...
True, but still...
Rio seems to love watching Big Brother and putting together iTunes Playlists by the sounds of it that's all he ever posts about!
that's all he ever posts about!Rio seems to love watching Big Brother and putting together iTunes Playlists by the sounds of it
He's in love with BB. That's the only thing he ever has serious discussions about
He loves the txt spk doesn't he?
It's fair to say that he comes across as a bit of a retard.
It's fair to say that he comes across as a bit of a retard.
Gibson returns home from tour
Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson has briefly returned home from the club's tour of North America after the death of his grandmother.
The club confirmed he has been given permission to leave their base in Philadelphia.
TEAMtalk | Football | Premier League | Manchester United News - Gibson returns home from tour
Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson has briefly returned home from the club's tour of North America after the death of his grandmother.
The club confirmed he has been given permission to leave their base in Philadelphia.
TEAMtalk | Football | Premier League | Manchester United News - Gibson returns home from tour