Considering how ridiculously overrated he is by some of the fans I don't blame him. I mean reading some of the posts in here you start asking whether Arsenal had just signed the new Pele or Van Basten.
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Considering how ridiculously overrated he is by some of the fans I don't blame him. I mean reading some of the posts in here you start asking whether Arsenal had just signed the new Pele or Van Basten.
It kind of is. He's had literally no choice but to play the young defenders he's already played this season. You could also argue that almost every "senior" player who didn't start the CC game was rested because we'd started the league so poorly and had absolutely zero cover for them if they picked up a knock.
The exceptions being Rooney, Mata and RvP who were replaced by established members of the squad in Welbeck, Hernandez and Kagawa (Januzaj and Wilson only getting on off the bench)
Anyway, the really key phrase in both my posts about this was "still early days"
Indeed
Who Fergie signed for a record fee by selling off our youth prospect Keith Gillespie.
Who left because he couldn't get into our strikeforce ahead of Fergie's big money signings RVN and Rooney.
Oh to have Fergie and his completely different transfer policies back. People have such short memories.
We're set for the next six years then.Is he? According to the media he asked to leave the club twice. Can't see that happening with the likes of Scholes or Giggs to be honest. To put things into perspective the last time Rooney did that he was crucified in here.
I wish him good luck and he's a good player but he's ridiculously overrated in here.
[than he is now] is what I imagine was the unspoken part here.
In the best of all worlds I wanted Welbz to stay, for various reasons, not least he was a genuine youth product.
But if I look at it from another perspective it's a small price to pay for getting six quality starters. Every coin have a two sides.!
After last season we all demanded changes. We got it.
I was talking to two Arsenal supporters this morning and they where reluctant regarding Danny. To much hit and miss. I think that's him in a nutshell. I wish him the best, very god lad, but every battle have casualties.
But if I look at it from another perspective it's a small price to pay for getting six quality starters. Every coin have a two sides.!
After last season we all demanded changes. We got it.
I was talking to two Arsenal supporters this morning and they where reluctant regarding Danny. To much hit and miss. I think that's him in a nutshell. I wish him the best, very god lad, but every battle have casualties.
You could argue that. If you were stretching to make a point. But then your point was that you would've liked to see him promote more youth...In an injury hit side where he's already forced to play loads of youth?
So your point was that it would've been good if we could've seen him play even more youth players in those positions? Instead of Welbeck, for example. The player who's loss everyone is claiming shows just how much he doesn't care about youth?
Again, your point isn't clear at all. Even the point about Januzaj isn't true. He's played more minutes than most. He's come on in every single game, he's pretty much LVG's first go to sub. The reason he's not starting is the current formation, nothing to do with promotion of youth.
Even with Di Maria and Falcão, missing Welbeck bothers me so much. Granted, he's not a top class striker, but could offer us a lot, and most importantly has been in the academy forever. So strange seeing him in Arsenal's jersey.
I'm sad to see him go. I hope he does good at Arsenal. I'm sure he'll receive such a warm welcome at Old Trafford.
I'm sad to see him go. I hope he does good at Arsenal. I'm sure he'll receive such a warm welcome at Old Trafford.
Absolutely!
Not to mention, as I've tried to argue: The reason we're in this mess and our whole squad needs the biggest revamp since Fergie took over in the 80's, is the "value" policy and too much trust in sub-par youth products like Cleverley, who we thought would save us buying a top class midfielder, and Fletcher.
LVG has gone in hard. He's ripping the squad up with the roots and he's building a new one. Instead of crying over losing Welbeck - why not rejoice that his clearout will mean chances for the likes of Januzaj (ahead of Kagawa and Nani), Wilson (ahead of Welbeck/Hernandez), Blackett and so forth?
EDIT: Oh, and for the youth products that ARE coming through: What better way to break into a modern United side, than one that needs serious rebuilding?
Then he is now. The fact that I said "He won't become Thierry Henry" right before it should indicate that I don't think Welbeck will ever match Henry - but yeah, I didn't phrase it brilliantly.
Rooney didn't look all that great shunted out on the left wing to accommodate Ronaldo. When Danny has played as a striker he delivers.
Welbecks CF appearances last season in the PL:
Welbecks Other appearances last season in the PL:
Put Welbeck in a squad where he'll get more/better service than we supplied last season... he'll be very useful for Arsenal if played as a CF. If you combine Dannys goals and assists together then as a CF he produces one goals or assist every 83mins.
Rooney didn't look all that great shunted out on the left wing to accommodate Ronaldo. When Danny has played as a striker he delivers.
Welbecks CF appearances last season in the PL:
Welbecks Other appearances last season in the PL:
Put Welbeck in a squad where he'll get more/better service than we supplied last season... he'll be very useful for Arsenal if played as a CF.
Nice analysis. Where did you get your info from?
Transfermarket. Did some photoshopping to neaten it up and make it a bit more presentable.
Yes not at all unusual for a player to get to 23/24/25 and find he wants to be a regular and can't be at United. Has happened for as long as I can remember. This season it is more tempting than ever for both sides since there really aren't enough games to go round the squad.
I am impressed. I may demand unspecified statistics from you, and you must deliver them immediately.
David Moyes stopped playing Januzaj when we signed Mata.
And Januzaj has played in every single game this season.
We can be pissed off all we want but it's plain obvious that Welbeck wanted to leave and play as a forward. Fergie and Moyes played him out of position because he's not as good as Rooney or RVP. Blame LVG, blame whoever but he did say if any player wanted to leave he wouldn't get in their way. Welbeck wanted to go and play as a striker, so fair play. He wants to move on and try become a better player whereas we have the likes of Cleverley who is clearly happy enough sitting doing feck all for a year and running his contract down because he wouldn't get obscene wages.
The reaction to this transfer has been ridiculous. Its like Manchester United have never sold a player that has come through our own acadamy before. I wonder what this place would have been like when we sold Keith Gillespie to Newcastle so we could sign Andy Cole, or all the other players such as Lee Sharpe, Terry Cooke, Darron Gibson, Danny Nardiello, Guiseppe Rossi, Ryan Shawcross. Luke Chadwick, Phil Bardsley, David Healy, I could go on and on.
I'm sorry he's gone, but what do you want to do, just keep Welbeck around because he's home grown and not sign world class players like Falcao, Di Maria and Van Persie? Maybe we shouldn't have signed Roy Keane because we had Robbie Savage waiting in the wings and you know, with him being an acadamy lad and all that, we should have let him join Blackburn instead. You would all be screaming that we were being left behind by every club in the top 10 if we did that. Who would you want chance to fall to in an away game at Liverpool, Welbeck or Falcao? If anyone says Welbeck, they're lying to themsleves to try and prove a point that doesn't exist.
Try telling Tyler Blackett, Reece James, James Wilson, Jesse Lingard, Micheal Keane that LVG doesn't give young players a chance. James Wilson would be the player that suffered more than anyone if Welbeck had stayed ironically enough and yet still everyone wants to dress this up as some kind of travesty.
Welbeck has had his time, if he was THAT good as everyone is saying, he would be in the team and certainly wouldn't have been sold. There is a lot of re writing of history and re evaluating of opinions since he's been sold.
This is the second time he's asked to leave unless he plays as a striker, which is fine, he wants to play in his preferred position and there is nothing wrong with that, but he's not going to displace anyone of our strikers unless they're injured. So we've let him leave so he can play. So what exactly have United done wrong?
Times change, people move on. Accept it. Danny will be fine and so will United.
Mediocre player, sure he works hard but at a top club that is not good enough and never will be to beat the best teams. £20 million was like double what he is worth very good business for United
He hasn't even put together a goodbye letter. He has been here since he was 8 years old. Total dick.
Rooney didn't look all that great shunted out on the left wing to accommodate Ronaldo. When Danny has played as a striker he delivers.
Welbecks CF appearances last season in the PL:
Welbecks Other appearances last season in the PL:
Put Welbeck in a squad where he'll get more/better service than we supplied last season... he'll be very useful for Arsenal if played as a CF. If you combine Dannys goals and assists together then as a CF he produces one goals or assist every 83mins.
This very nicely backs up my belief, that when played centrally as a striker, Danny has performed. He offered genuine pace to our attack, as well as a fantastic work ethic and attitude. These are all qualities which our squad at the moment drastically lacks. In Falcao, RVP and Rooney we have no pace, no true "target man", very little dribbling/ability to beat a man. They are good players all, but too similar and too representative of the problems we have faced in the games so far this season.
Right. Let's predict how many goals in all competitions Welbeck will score for Arsenal this season... then whoevers' right can at least brag about something Welbeck related come the end of the season.
I'll say 16 (wanted to say 13, but I'll put a bit more faith in the bloke).
I'll say 16 (wanted to say 13, but I'll put a bit more faith in the bloke).
Yet RvP played 500mins more than Welbeck last season, had 7 more starts and only scored 3 more goals as a CF. A player (Danny) who many on the Caf thought was shit at finishing.
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he'd been here since what 10 years old? academy product, salford boy, regular starter for club and country
this is not the sort of player we should be selling, i'm absolutely gutted he's gone
however, it does seem to have been his choice to move so i can only wish him the best. clearly he wants to play up top and i reckon Arsenal will be a great fit for him
its just a shame we couldn't give him the assurances he wanted imho
still have faith LVG will get it right and will build us into a competitive team again i'm just sad danny wont be a part of it
this is not the sort of player we should be selling, i'm absolutely gutted he's gone
however, it does seem to have been his choice to move so i can only wish him the best. clearly he wants to play up top and i reckon Arsenal will be a great fit for him
its just a shame we couldn't give him the assurances he wanted imho
still have faith LVG will get it right and will build us into a competitive team again i'm just sad danny wont be a part of it
I reckon 8. 6 in Premier League, 1 in FA Cup and 1 in Champions League.
As much as I like Danny he was never going to be first choice striker and to be honest he fluffed his lines to many times when given the chance.
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If we managed to get into the Champions League next season and have some tough matches, we will really miss a player like Welbeck. His pace and work rate helped us out so much in games against the likes of Madrid/Bayern.
Although he contributed very little most of the time in the league (because of his position imo) i'm still absolutely gutted we're not gonna have him at the club anymore. I hope he becomes a fecking amazing player for Arsenal and we buy him back for 50mil in 3-4 years time.
Although he contributed very little most of the time in the league (because of his position imo) i'm still absolutely gutted we're not gonna have him at the club anymore. I hope he becomes a fecking amazing player for Arsenal and we buy him back for 50mil in 3-4 years time.
Fact is Danny knew as soon as RVP was fit again he would be shunted out wide. It's happened for 3 seasons.
17, 13 in the league.
Di Maria is just as fast, works just as hard and is far better on the ball.
He's a credit to our academy system, a very accomplished technical player. Sadly he lacks the one thing that you can't really teach; he has no instinct as a goal-threat. If they can find a way of utilising him in a workmanlike role, he will have a great career at Arsenal.
Agreed. Which imo is based on the players reputation. He needed to leave the club to be given a fair chance. Last season when we needed him to deliver in December (when we had injuries) he did. He scored 5 goals, 2 assists in 6 games. David fecking Moyes then dropped him for pretty much the rest of the season. He'll always play second fiddle at United, it's why I don't begrudge him a move in the slightest. Our loss, Arsenals gain.
16. 12 in the league.
22, 16 league goals.
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