Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances

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Only problem with Balotelli is erratic behavior and how he will handle himself in future which is why Welbeck "could" have a better career.

It's very over stated.

He had a turbulant first year, but since then he's been fine. Arsenal was an anomaly, the Liverpool sending off was a joke.

Not to mention how Drogba has done similar, Rooney and Tevez are erratic, Ronaldo and Yaya Toure can be petulant etc. Like I said, when they lose the inferiority complex they start to show their true colours, but it also lets them become great players.
 
If you have an inferiority complex, you will work hard to compensate for your perceived lack of quality. However it's not always the case that people work hard have an inferiority complex.



Also for the record, Rooney has worked less and less hard as he's become more established. That's nothing to do with Rooney. All players do it. All teams do for that matter, Barca don't press nearly as well anymore because they started to believe their own hype.

But why have you decided Welbeck has this? Do you know the workings of his mind? Are you a sports psychologist?

He's a striker at Man United, the biggest club in the country. He's adored by the fans, never hides, he loves to express himself on the pitch, and he has an eye for the audacious - note the cheeky lobs he's scored for United and England.

So where does this inferiority complex come in?
 
Welbeck works hard because he was told to when he was younger, as he tended to amble around a lot. Likely because he was the best player on the pitch at the time. He's a good learner, is Danny.

Inferiority complex :lol:
 
Baloteli has more upside than Welbeck, in my opinion.

That said, I am not a massive fan of Balo, he is one of those players who, if he isn't scoring, you don't even know that he is on the pitch. Add to that him being a massive bell end. Welbeck is a grafter but very indecisive at the moment. I think that Welbeck will always be a great guy to have in your squad, but I don't think he is as good as many on here claim.

As for Baloteli. I am skeptical about whether he will fulfill his potential. I certainly wouldn't swap him for Welbeck anytime soon.
 
Tevez must have an huge amount of inferiority complex then.
 
Welbeck is a fecking good player, but he's young and raw. He has his flaws that he'll iron out as he matures and develops as a player, and he'll get better.

I wouldn't swap his flaws and his inferiority complex driven hard working attitude for the flaws of a spacktard who acts like a complete bellend, has no team work ethic, is a lazy cnut and who puts his team in awkward situations time and time again by being a complete idiot.
 
When people say he needs to mature, and that will lead to him finishing more chances, what exactly do you mean?

Imo it's growing out of his current state of mind that he's not good enough.
 
I didnt think Welbeck had a good game v Wigan. Missed all his chances, and wasnt involved in any of the goals. Surprised how many MOM votes he received. He has a languid style with sudden bursts of pace that get him into good positions. Its effective, I just struggle to enjoy watching him

Balotelli is talented but just so unpredictable. Wouldnt want him as a United player, mainly because I'd be wary of the detrimental effect he could have on the dressing room
 
What is up with this persistent Welbeck bashing.. as for the comment on his percieved 'inferiority complex'.. jesus.
 
I didnt think Welbeck had a good game v Wigan. Missed all his chances, and wasnt involved in any of the goals. Surprised how many MOM votes he received. He has a languid style with sudden bursts of pace that get him into good positions. Its effective, I just struggle to enjoy watching him

Balotelli is talented but just so unpredictable. Wouldnt want him as a United player, mainly because I'd be wary of the detrimental effect he could have on the dressing room

He was involved with the first goal, and was very good particularly in the first half when not many others had turned up.
 
If you have an inferiority complex, you will work hard to compensate for your perceived lack of quality. However it's not always the case that people work hard have an inferiority complex.



Also for the record, Rooney has worked less and less hard as he's become more established. That's nothing to do with Rooney. All players do it. All teams do for that matter, Barca don't press nearly as well anymore because they started to believe their own hype.

Jaysus! :lol:
 
I didnt think Welbeck had a good game v Wigan. Missed all his chances, and wasnt involved in any of the goals. Surprised how many MOM votes he received. He has a languid style with sudden bursts of pace that get him into good positions. Its effective, I just struggle to enjoy watching him

Balotelli is talented but just so unpredictable. Wouldnt want him as a United player, mainly because I'd be wary of the detrimental effect he could have on the dressing room

Was that a Danny Welbeck impersonater who took the ball of a Wigan player and ran 50 yards with it toward their box in the build up to Powell's goal?
 
Here's my break down on Welbeck from what I've seen, not what I expect


Link up play: Good
Ability to hold up the ball: Good
Finishing: Poor
Pace: Average
Strength: Average
Heading: Good
Ability to score in big games: Arsenal (x.2), Sweden (I guess?)


Not sure about his pace being average.

He's deceptively quick.
 
I was just wondering, is all. Seems a bit excessive for him to be banned on the basis of what was said in this thread. But if you want to be sarcastic about it that's fair enough.

It would very excessive. I agree.


No more derailing the thread. Cheers.
 
When people say he needs to mature, and that will lead to him finishing more chances, what exactly do you mean?

Most strikers substantially improve their goalscoring as they age. Awhile ago I posted a list of the best strikers in Europe with their comparable season (ie, the year they turned 21) and the strike rates were generally comparable when you factored in the strength of the leagues they played in at the time. The notable exceptions were the true freaks of nature like Rooney and Balotelli. The most telling example on that list for me was Robin Van Persie, who scored 10 goals in 40 matches in his first season at Arsenal as a 21 year old, and there's nobody that doubts he's grown into one of the best finishers in the world.
 
He just needs more games. The thing with Welbeck though is although he is better as a striker he needs to be able to adapt his game to play from a wider area. With the competition we have it's smething he'll need to do to get maximum game time. With the abaility he has both physical and technical he should be better there as well and I think he could do more in terms of smart of the ball runs.

As a striker his finishing should come with time, he's got a lot of things going for him in terms of his link up although he can at times be slow to decide what he wants to do. Against Wigan for example there were a few occassions where he held on to the ball for far too long.

But as I said he needs game. Personally I wouldn't say it's a good idea to have Welbeck and Hernandez start as the strikers in many league games, at the moment I think they're both best playing with another striker like Rooney or RVP who will occupy the defenders more giving them a bit more freedom.
 
Van Persie was a left winger when he was signed though Chabon.
 
Not sure about his pace being average.

He's deceptively quick.

Yea he's quick. He's definitely faster than Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand, Lindegaard, RvP, Powell and Evans. Might be faster than Buttner, Valencia or Hernandez. That's more than average.

I'm just being a dick but he's still faster than the average bear
 
Van Persie was a left winger when he was signed though Chabon.

You can't really say that Arsenal played with real wingers, he was more of a wide forward, or whatever the term is. Anyway, my point was that there's dozens of examples of world class strikers struggling to hit double figures early in their careers and then becoming vastly more prolific later on. It stands to reason really, finishing is a really difficult skill to master.
 
He just needs more games. The thing with Welbeck though is although he is better as a striker he needs to be able to adapt his game to play from a wider area. With the competition we have it's smething he'll need to do to get maximum game time. With the abaility he has both physical and technical he should be better there as well and I think he could do more in terms of smart of the ball runs.

As a striker his finishing should come with time, he's got a lot of things going for him in terms of his link up although he can at times be slow to decide what he wants to do. Against Wigan for example there were a few occassions where he held on to the ball for far too long.

But as I said he needs game. Personally I wouldn't say it's a good idea to have Welbeck and Hernandez start as the strikers in many league games, at the moment I think they're both best playing with another striker like Rooney or RVP who will occupy the defenders more giving them a bit more freedom.

Yep, people forget that for a while even Rooney was playing out wide for United. At 21-22 Danny is right where he should be really (as a player with a lot of talent, very good potential) getting games in a secondary position, while being immediate back up in his preferred position. He's already at 4 appearances for United this year, I predicted he'd get around 30 if he stayed fit.

His finishing isn't nearly as bad as people make out, some of those chances were pretty difficult. Having the likes of RvP to work with will help him improve though.

As people have pointed out, Welbeck isn't physically mature yet. He started out as a very lanky lad and they expect him to fill out well in the next couple of years. You look at the likes of Ballotelli and he was a fully developed man at 17/18 (as well as being a very natural finisher).

On the 'hard worker because he's got an inferiority complex' comment, it was obviously a wind up. He's a pretty confident lad, he's been at United forever and knows Fergie rates him and he belongs here in the 1st team.. he even gets stick for being too cocky at times. The hard work aspect has been drilled into him from a young age, he's always been rated highly on the defensive/ tactical aspects of the game.
 
I remember a reserve game, where the coach was shouting "Danny, Danny" trying to keep him motivated the whole time. So yeah he is hard-working because of an inferiority complex :lol:
 
Yea he's quick. He's definitely faster than Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand, Lindegaard, RvP, Powell and Evans. Might be faster than Buttner, Valencia or Hernandez. That's more than average.

Giggs would still take him in a race I reckon. He's still quick when he wants to be. Valencia would absolutely destroy him, so would Hernandez.
 
It's a weird one. You wonder how they teach 'finishing'. I almost fear it's something you have or you don't, at every age. I see a player like Will Keane and for as long as he's been in the youth setup he's shown the ability to find the net - even though other facets of his game weren't there yet. Same with Hernandez.

I worry slightly that Welbz will always be that 'almost' striker. He has all the attributes to succeed in that position, except the most important one. For example, he's a tall, strong lad that wins a lot of headers but barely ever directs them goalwards.

Guess we'll see. The other issue is that he'll only improve by playing, and when Rooney and RVP are fit, I don't see where he fits.
 
My slight concern with Welbeck is that I haven't seen much improvement since the start of last season. I was impressed with the way that he settled into the Premier League after an impressive campaign with Sunderland, but I'm still waiting for him to kick on. I thought almost game on game we'd see an improvement in the parts of his game that were clearly unpolished at the highest level. It's still early days and premature to criticise but this is a big campaign for the lad.
 















Pardon the excessive YouTubeage but there's nowt wrong with Danny's finishing, just needs to find that consistency and composure, which will come with age.
 
Very weird logic from the resident City fan.In order to be branded a special player, you have to outshine all your similar peers ?? Is not Cristiano not a special player then ?
 
If you have an inferiority complex, you will work hard to compensate for your perceived lack of quality. However it's not always the case that people work hard have an inferiority complex.



Also for the record, Rooney has worked less and less hard as he's become more established. That's nothing to do with Rooney. All players do it. All teams do for that matter, Barca don't press nearly as well anymore because they started to believe their own hype.

Did ICIP get banned for this?

Whilst I'm not entirely sure of the logic in terms of whether it applies to Welbeck (he could just be nervous about other matters whilst trying hard to cement a place), whether 'inferiority complex' is the correct term or if we can even say for sure what's going on, there is a general topic to be talked about amongst any assumptions at least. We often praise players for working hard, but 'working hard' itself in certain instances may stem from a pressure to appease the crowd, or from nervousness or a lack of ability. There are obvious exceptions, but someone like Darren Fletcher may be a good example. I was quite young when I watched him play outside of the first team, but I don't remember him charging about like a mentalist (like the 08/09 Fletcher) when he was better than everyone else of his age group or when he just started coming on to the scene. It started happening at some point during the 06/07 season, and I'm guessing that's when he thought that he might have to do something to combat the pressure from the crowd and the jeopardy his future was in.

Personally, I think Welbeck has a higher level of ability than he's showing, although it could just as easily be down to other fears, insecurities and defficiencies as it could regarding his own ability. I've always felt for a youngster it must be quite daunting going into the first team and playing with first team players who will be all too willing to get under your skin if you're not performing, so perhaps there is some of this with Welbeck. I'm guessing not everyone would react well to playing with Wayne Rooney, for example, just as I'm sure not absolutely everyone played to their best around Keane despite him being known as a quality leader. There was a marked improvement in several players almost immediately as Keane left (Ronaldo, O'Shea, Ferdinand and Fletcher, for example), although you could just as easily argue that it was a natural progression.

I think this sort of thing is probably a lot more prevalent than we'd assume in football, and has almost as much of an impact on a player's progression at the top level as actual ability.
 
When i look at Welbeck play it is clear that he has a good all roubnd game but his finishing is poor.

In contrast Hernandez has a "poor" game outside the box but in the box he is a lethal finisher.

If we could combine Welbeck and Hernandez into one player then they would be better than Falcao or even RVP.
 
My slight concern with Welbeck is that I haven't seen much improvement since the start of last season. I was impressed with the way that he settled into the Premier League after an impressive campaign with Sunderland, but I'm still waiting for him to kick on. I thought almost game on game we'd see an improvement in the parts of his game that were clearly unpolished at the highest level. It's still early days and premature to criticise but this is a big campaign for the lad.

The maturity that he showed leading the line at the Euros, being supported by the worst midfield I've seen England put out at a major tournament was very impressive. Sir Alex was even surprised by how well he coped.
 
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