He kept second guessing himself until the only option he was left with was a dink.
Neuer had already closed down the angles and after going down and did brilliantly to get back up for the save.
Danny Welbeck | 2011-14 Performances
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Neuer had already closed down the angles and after going down and did brilliantly to get back up for the save.
Good performance tonight. He never gives up. Bayern's centre backs looked genuinely scared whenever Welbeck was running at them. He made it uncomfortable for them.
It was a poor finish though, IMO he had too much time to think about it. I feel as though he should have gone with his first instinct rather than dwell on the ball it's like he got caught in two minds.
He's a big game player, really seems to relish these types of games.
It was a poor finish though, IMO he had too much time to think about it. I feel as though he should have gone with his first instinct rather than dwell on the ball it's like he got caught in two minds.
He's a big game player, really seems to relish these types of games.
Neuer comes out on top of a lot of one on ones like that. Welbeck should still have done better, but if he'd finished it off it would have been a big statement because better players than Welbeck have come unstuck through on Neuer
Real Madrid, now Bayern Munich. It's hardly a fluke. Welbeck always turns up to these big games, and apart from the miss, he was one of our best players, in my opinion.
Put Hernandez finishing into him and we have the perfect striker :P
He was brilliant again for the team. TBH he tried to be too clever. Would rather him smash it and put it wide than try to be cheeky and feck it up so badly. In fact even if it had gone past Neuer their defender would have cleared it.
He was brilliant again for the team. TBH he tried to be too clever. Would rather him smash it and put it wide than try to be cheeky and feck it up so badly. In fact even if it had gone past Neuer their defender would have cleared it.
Excellent work rate, very good involvement in the buildup play, fantastic strength and pace. But always fecks up chances that strikers need to take. Also always needs to fall at a crucial moment at least once in a match.
Good to hear Welbeck play well. He always seems to be one of our better players in the big games. His finishing has improved this season as well. Hopefully he can keep becoming more clinical and we will have a very good player on our hands
He was! Very happy for his performance bar the golden chance miss.
If he can get all parts of his game to click together at the same time, he'll be one hell of a player, which is why we need to stick with him.
Why should he then be seen as a forward option at all? His strength last night was his pace and he used that very well. But I despise it (and I don't care if he's got a good goal scoring record recently) when he's up front because I think while he may be a decent 'do a job' wide player in certain situations, up front he lacks pretty much every quality you need to make it as a striker at this level.
Yes he CAN score, but most players if played up front will get more than they would otherwise. His balance, composure, positional awareness, decision making and finishing means that unless you deploy him for specific reason against a specific opponent he should be largely played deeper
I think he is coming along nicely and, barring injury or a Valenciasque loss of form, he will reach heights that will take the world by surprise . What impresses me beside his build up play and pace is his movement into scoring positions, you don't learn that, and once he improves his composure and understand that a tap in is just as good a goal as a chip over the keeper, he will do well .
He really needs to learn to smash the ball more convincingly
He seemed very confident yesterday, which was brilliant. Even though he missed that chance, his overall performance was brilliant i must say. Although he should do better with that type of chance.
You just can't miss a chance like that in the big moments of key games. He was alright that aside, but it was a criminal miss.
A big game player doesn't miss an absolute sitter like that.
A big game player doesn't miss an absolute sitter like that.
Shame for his missed chance, he would have deserved a goal. His technical ability and pace also allows him to get out of tight situations which helped us yesterday
What does he take before these big European games? Whatever it is, I want some.
Annnoyingly, he did on the disallowed goal.
Needs to work on his finishing but his overall play was really impressive. Some very classy touches.
I think as soon as he slowed down the chance was gone. He needed to hit that a hell of a lot earlier. The chip would've been cleared by Martinez but I think Neuer, as soon as Welbeck slowed down was in control of the situation. He made himself big and made the chance a lot harder than what it initially was.
I love him. Now my favourite player after Rooney and Rafael.
Bad miss but he was immense overall. Bayern couldn't deal with his speed and athleticism.
Remember, Rooney was horrible at one on ones with the keeper until the 2010 season. Those chances aren't as easy as they seem. Finishing those chances is something Danny has to learn. I was overthinking and it cost him. He needs to trust his insticts.
England going into the World Cup will hopefully have a front line of Welbeck-Rooney-Sturridge. That's absolute class and the best front line England have had for ages.
Bad miss but he was immense overall. Bayern couldn't deal with his speed and athleticism.
Remember, Rooney was horrible at one on ones with the keeper until the 2010 season. Those chances aren't as easy as they seem. Finishing those chances is something Danny has to learn. I was overthinking and it cost him. He needs to trust his insticts.
England going into the World Cup will hopefully have a front line of Welbeck-Rooney-Sturridge. That's absolute class and the best front line England have had for ages.
When/if he finally gets that finish right he'll be deadly. Until then he's a great enabler and 50/50 goalscorer. At the moment he complicates and overthinks scoring when he ahs too much time... Ithink it also explains his too-regular bambi-on-ice moments despite his obvious agility.
I think a lot of the problem is that his brain can do things is body can't. You can't fault his vision or intent but he's not unknown to fall flat on his arse when receiving a simple pass.
Another big performance from Danny. As once said by Richards Keys: "smash it!"
The energy he brings to our performances was never more needed than it is now. Occasional lapses in concentration take the shine off at times but he'll be absolutely vital in Munich.
Not worried about his over-thinking finishes... Anybody remember Rooney his first 5 seasons or so? Spectacular goals ain't no thang, but the easy finishes were far from dead certs. RvP last season missed some incredible sitters, more than I can remember almost any United striker doing over the course of just one season. Doesn't take away from the ones he scored, mind.
Danny's on his way to become a special player
Danny's on his way to become a special player
Brilliant performance last night, should be one of the first players on the team sheet. I'm glad he's getting the recognition he deserves.
Welbeck vs Bayern Munich:
From the Neuer thread: (note: this discussion was about one incident only, I believe he has been terrific and put in a very good performance against Bayern)
He did IMO. He melted under the spotlight and made a poor, poor decision. The point is not what if, it's he had numerous more appropriate and simpler choices in that moment, such as just pelting it at goal, tapping it under the goalkeepers legs, a side foot finish either side of the goalkeeper, or even carry on sprinting around the keeper for a tap-in. Of course none of them are as easy as they sound, but they're a lot easier than what he tried, surely? His mistake isn't that he failed to execute the chip, it was deciding to try the chip in the first place. Don't forget the context of the chance and the enormity of the tie either. I truly believe the only thing Welbeck needs to become a much better player is having that courage of his convictions. Sorry to derail the Neuer thread.
He did IMO. He melted under the spotlight and made a poor, poor decision. The point is not what if, it's he had numerous more appropriate and simpler choices in that moment, such as just pelting it at goal, tapping it under the goalkeepers legs, a side foot finish either side of the goalkeeper, or even carry on sprinting around the keeper for a tap-in. Of course none of them are as easy as they sound, but they're a lot easier than what he tried, surely? His mistake isn't that he failed to execute the chip, it was deciding to try the chip in the first place. Don't forget the context of the chance and the enormity of the tie either. I truly believe the only thing Welbeck needs to become a much better player is having that courage of his convictions. Sorry to derail the Neuer thread.
He likes doing that chip, he's done it a lot before if memory serves. If you're cacking yourself you tend to just blast it, not try and dink it in. Shit decision though definitely.
His pace and all-round skill are such assets. If he can ever sort out his finishing, he'll be an absolute force.
If RVP could fix his composure, he'd be a world class striker.
Did it at Swansea opening day of the season and it was absolute class.
I kind of agree with this, although Neuer deserves a lot of credit too.
Basically, when you get the ball in the position that Welbeck did, you've got two choices: hit it early (and probably miss) or take the ball towards the goal and wait for the keeper to commit. Welbeck did the right thing, but Neuer came off his line quicker than most other goalies would have done. That meant that Welbeck had a a second choice: take it around Neuer or chip it over him. Neuer again did brilliantly to stay on his feet and make himself big right up until the last second. The shooting angle had become so small that the chip was actually the best option. Unfortunately, Welbeck misjudged the keeper's reaction time and missed.
Given the way Neuer handled the situation, I would say that the chance was about 70-30 in the striker's favour. Welbeck still should have scored, but it's a lot harder to do in reality than it is on FIFA. You don't actually see too many goals of that type even though it seems like a relatively easy chance to put away on paper. In fact, I would say that the chance was probably harder than a penalty would have been.
Would I be right in saying that MLS style shoutouts produced fewer goals than penalty shootouts? Had Danny missed a penalty, the criticism would have been much less sustained.
Welbeck has a better chance conversion rate than RVP, Rooney, Suarez, Messi and Ronaldo this season.
Chance conversion statistics
I'm guessing that in a clean through one on one vs the keeper you'd bet your mortgage on Danny Welbeck then before Ronaldo or Messi?
Oh wait, you woudn't, because you and everyone else knows what rubbish a stat like that is and there's no way he's a better finisher than any of those players.
Chance conversion statistics
I'm guessing that in a clean through one on one vs the keeper you'd bet your mortgage on Danny Welbeck then before Ronaldo or Messi?
Oh wait, you woudn't, because you and everyone else knows what rubbish a stat like that is and there's no way he's a better finisher than any of those players.
The stat shows that he has converted more of his chances than they have this year. Do I think he's a better finisher? Probably not. However, if that stat is true, he has been very clinical this year.
Our problem is that we don't really create that many chances anymore.
What constitutes a chance? Is Ronaldo shooting from 30 yards a chance, because he decided to shoot?
Does Gervinho not shooting and trying to dribble before messing up consitute a chance even though he's never taken a shot?
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