Not long ago! There are a lot of players who weren’t considered good enough but improve
He might or might not
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He might or might not
People can improve very quickly, especially after their first year the top level.
Look at Fraser for Bournemouth, similar style player. Looked fairly average last season but he’s ballooned this year and looks very dangerous.
With the speed and ethic he has he’s got all the tools to be honed. Fergie would have loved him.
Actually his numbers of goals are kinda underwhelming for a winger.
There is. We've got a set budget and can't afford to feck this summer up. Signing players who should be hitting their stride (he's not a kid) who have racked up modest figures at a low level doesn't fill me with confidence.
Good job we have Sanchez who sets OT alight every time
Yeah, because 15m is really going to make a difference to our budget if we wanted certain players. The lad will be bought regardless of other transfers as he will be for the future.
He would be signed as a backup player so wouldn't need to hit any stride, we have to also plan for the long term. For the low price of 15m I think he would be a decent punt as long as we also sign a first team player also. Sign James and loan out Chong who doesn't look ready to be a wing option for us in the squad Id say
What a weird post. So because we have crap players that barely score we should sign other players who barely score too ?
4 goals in 33 games is an underwhelming number for a winger whatever way we spin it. He may or may not improve but it's silly to not show concerns over such numbers.
Just saying.
He’s young and could improve. From the film he looks like an enthusiastic player who relishes playing. We may or may not bid, it could be paper talk. But I’d rather a kid who enjoys playing than a parasite like Sanchez
I'd rather having almost anyone ahead on Sanchez as the bar is pretty low with this guy.
As I said he may or may not improve, but it's pretty logical to show some concerns. He's an unknown quantity after all.
I can see that point
But if coaches like Giggs can see the potential, I’m not sure how unknown he is anymore
I think signing him as a backup player is low risk, he clearly more ready than Chong and we don't have any wingers at all, let alone backups. Signing a quality starting winger and then a young backup seems wise.
Also he seems to fit the profile of being quick, and energetic which would work for Oles press, quite a few clips of him winning the ball back off defenders and starting breaks etc
I hope this kid doesn't come here, he's getting torn apart before there's any concrete proof we're actually in for him!
I was in the camp of getting Mane when I was in the newbs, and it was similar back then, but at that time some were right to be a little high and mighty (more fool them) but considering we've always had success with young players who are accustomed to the English league, it was mystifying.
Now we're in a right state, going back after young talents should be praised, but throwing a target under the bus for not being good enough when 99% of the people in here haven't seen him live?
I was in the camp of getting Mane when I was in the newbs, and it was similar back then, but at that time some were right to be a little high and mighty (more fool them) but considering we've always had success with young players who are accustomed to the English league, it was mystifying.
Now we're in a right state, going back after young talents should be praised, but throwing a target under the bus for not being good enough when 99% of the people in here haven't seen him live?
That's true, but at the reported £15 million he is well worth a punt.
Keep up, we aren’t a PL club with title ambitions
Are people really slagging this guy off, who it's almost certain they've never seen play, just because he doesn't have some sort of goalfest record?
Some of our fans are dreadful. Probably off slating Bale on another thread at the same time...."och, shouldn't go for untried youngsters...over the hill superstars"
Who should we go for?
Some of our fans are dreadful. Probably off slating Bale on another thread at the same time...."och, shouldn't go for untried youngsters...over the hill superstars"
Who should we go for?
He's 21 and just finished his first season of first team football. That's a kid in football terms. The Championship isn't 'low' level either. It's certainly not top tier, but it's not like he's in the Evo Stik League. And even if we do sign him, it's unlikely that he'd be playing here next season. He certainly wouldn't be a starter. It's more likely that he'd come on tour (and see how he goes) and then go out on loan, either back to Swansea or to another club in the prem. He wouldn't be signed in place of another player. I'm at a loss as to why anyone would think he's being bought with a view to putting him straight into the team. Nothing suggests that's the case.
Dreadful sums it up! If it takes s season in the doldrums to clear out the fairweather fans, I’m all for it
I find a strong correlation from people I know between the amount of games they physically go to, and how negative and unrealistic they are about the team.
You need some sort of balance in football, and surely have to appreciate it's a cycle - we've had incredible success, and aren't in Spain/Scotland, so it's not a guarantee.
It's often the signings you don't have big expectations of, who turn out to be the terrific ones.
remember 96? Porborsky, Cruyff, Solskjaer, Van der Gouw and Johnsen.
Most people would have picked wrong if asked who'd the star 2 be of that 5.
I really like the upside potential of this guy (strictly based on Youtube.) He has track star speed, good control, good combination play, and a decent cross. His shooting is extremely hit or miss but that's an area he could/should improve on over time.
Definitely worth the risk imo at 15m.
Definitely worth the risk imo at 15m.
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People still interested in this signing? The sooner this rumour dies the better! You’d think us fans would learn. He’s not going to be of any substance for us and where we need to be i don’t care how crap we are now.
If we got relegated and was trying to win promotion back to the prem I’d be all for it.
If we got relegated and was trying to win promotion back to the prem I’d be all for it.
This isn’t 96!/‘s we don’t have Pallister, Keane, Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes, Cole, Irwin, Schmeichel and Cantona in our team. We could have signed Kevin Campbell and competed for the title.
The point is the 2 star signings that summer didn't turn out to be as such - even in the scenario you point out.
Sometimes the less well received ones are the ones that work. After years of the "glamour" stuff, I welcome a change of approach
At the age of 21 Les Ferdinand played for Hayes.
The whole narrative being fed about giving youth a chance, British core, just to lead up with young player bought to be loaned out, so the same old faces to carry this team for next season can quickly turn the tide on OGS management (if result hasn't already done it). Football is for most part is about momentum. Out trajectory requires a turning point, new idea. The whole buy and loan doesn't cut it at the moment. Don't be surprised when Poch and Alli comparison (young player from lower division) would be a beating stick used by some fans if this transfer goes the way you suggest, rightly or wrongly in long term.
In fairness - in 1997 Kevin Campbell had the best season of his career scoring 23 goals - so yeah he probably would have scored quite a bit for us as well
I get your point but prove to me where quality let’s you down? Your basically bigging up what turn out to be a super sub not RVN! The state we are in now. We don’t need Solskjaer’s we Need RVN’s. Scouts do your job properly.
Ian Wright was probably playing Sunday league...
Yep, we do lack top quality in the attack.
As horrible as it is to admit, that's where Liverpool started, and if you do that, you have a puncher's chance, however crap your defence is. Attack the best form of defence and all that.
When I see Rashford and Martial, they're both some way off their peaks (we hope!!), and Lukaku is just a nearly man at this level. Great goal scoring record, but so limited, it's unreal.
I still do think though, that a few signings can absolutely turn us totally around. I feel for Solskjaer being able to find them though, that's the super tough thing to do, as there's close to no position in the team you couldn't see an upgrade in!
I hope so we really need to get it right. This is probably the toughest job as like we probably both agree a Dybala is not the answer.
Except, I literally just stated that these kinds of signings aren't at the expense of a first team signing, so it's not the 'same old faces' narrative. Some fans will use literally anything as a stick to beat the manager with. Their opinions on loaning out young players couldn't be of less interest to me, along with their opinions on most other things. If I want to know what a hysterical child thinks of United's current trajectory, I'll ask my 6 year old nephew. And I know I'll get more logic out of him. If we're buying players for the first team, it doesn't mean we should ignore the long term view of things as well. Both should be happening.
Both should be happening only when there is a structure to oversee it till the end. The way thing is theirs club is ran by people who reacts to the result. There is no guarantee OGS would survive after a full season. Can be another Valera, Zaha situation (make little contribution and sell at loss, where in case of Zaha is not a bad player). It's not you who ask opinion or anyone who care to give you opinion. Save your self the asking my nephew talk. It's reality about how the club run and the next reaction to the fan can see another tune to the whole transfer approach while the money being wasted.
Every first team age recruitment will add to the spending. This is not an academy recruitment. Why people hail singing such as Alli or have certain expectation for Dalot recently, yet can come to accept 15mil for a player to go on loan Okay?
You should try and form your own opinions, independent of those of other people. If your opinions on players are based on other people's opinions of other players, then you don't actually have an opinion on a player, do you? I couldn't give two fecks about someone's opinion of Alli or their expectation of Dalot vs their thoughts on James being loaned out. I personally, think it makes sense to buy him, take him on tour, see whats what, then loan him out. As well as buying players ready for the first team.
Get him signed up ASAP. I'd much rather see players like this lad rather than Ashley Young and Sanchez. A year ago people were saying that Ruben Neves would never make the step up to the PL. I'd swap Neves for Pogba in a heartbeat. And I'd sign Willy Bolly, and Doherty and Jota, and Lucas Digne, and Toby Alderweireld, and Pepe and anybody better that the shower of shit we currently have.
Let me put it bluntly: few opinion is nothing in a whole scheme of things. A magnitude of even bad opinion can influence the outcome. The next point is the competent of the people with power, the decision makers. Our case: no need for explanation.
Your opinion is worthless to other if I am using your logic. And what's worse, this signing can prove to a first team signing, and your opinion is anything but fantasy after all your mighty preaching. Happy now?
If we are £15m short on a new RB I hope you have the same energy for your stupid idea of how to waste money. We are not in a position to waste £15m on a loanie. Do the kid a favour and let him sign for that loan side. We can get him on the United tax after if the move is successful.
Gives us an option and he’s an actual winger. We could do a lot worse for a lot more money.
Delighted. You're finally catching on. My opinion shouldn't be worth anything to you. And you should try and focus on the topic at hand rather than worrying about what other people have said about other players.
Genuinely no idea what you're trying to say there.
He was anything but a speed merchant.Obertan
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