I think they just took two of the figures United fans hate the most right now(ETH and Southgate), and pinned that on Ashworth. He's the fall guy. Lets hope this works out.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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If this is true, then that's ridiculous. That's basically saying he wanted Southgate.
It would be interesting to see the job descriptions for the Ineos roles
That's extremely tolerant of you. Many would take a dimmer view of hiring two top executives with visions that were clearly anything but aligned.
Southgate, Potter, O'Neil, Moyes, McKenna, Carrick, Cooper, Howe. That must have been the extent of his wish list? Absolutely none are capable (currently) at doing anything with the squad we have.
Nothing like that.
I'm just really alarmed by that little nugget (in between all that laughable noise how Ashworth kept Ten Hag, wanted Southgate, can't work with Berrada, didn't want Amorim, signed Zirkzee, can't deal with a 3-4-3):
(https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...director-leaves-just-FIVE-MONTHS-joining.html)
I wouldn't rely on the Daily Mail for much of anything, however the Ornstein interview on NBC posted as video above in this thread had Ornstein saying in the context of the reasons for the sacking:
(https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dan...ft-venit-vidit-non-vicit.485893/post-32705294)
If one wonders what would tick off Ratcliffe so much that he'd abruptly sack a central figure of the "new structure" on a Saturday night, I think someone resisting his conviction that the most important thing about running a 'business' is laying off loads of people would fit the bill. Makes more sense than any other explanation, but it's also more depressing.
There is no version of this that's a good look for INEOS. Fired the manager two months in to the season when you should have replaced him over the summer. Fired the sporting director a month later. They got two huge decisions wrong. They still need to be given more time but no doubt fans and the media are going to righfully question whether they have the expertise to right the ship. Their decision making seems to be allover the place
God forbid but if and a big IF this was SJ's impulsive decision and Berrada is not fully onboard then the club will be in real mess in coming months.
Makes a lot of sense. Berta and Berrada have a certain level of surname similarity so should gel well
If you look at his credentials also, he's gone to small(er) clubs, instigated and football structure that takes years to bear fruit and involve a lot of 'process'. You don't get that time at United and we can't sign players from the Argentinian second division, send them out on load for two seasons then hope they are ready for PL football at that point, there's too much pressure to succeed today and tomorrow at United. Ultimately his approach works at clubs where there are less expectation and very little pressure on people. You can't sit in meetings where people are in crisis mode because we aren't winning games, we've sacked a manager, spent £200m and suggest stuff like bringing in Southgate to instil a positive/inclusive culture, this isn't Brighton.
This seems even more chaotic than the Glazer era
I remember posting on here asking about a possible “too many chefs in the kitchen” scenario occurring.
I think the best thing, and this is now with hindsight, would have been to hire Berrada and let him start looking for a technical director etc. Can’t really blame INEOS for trying to get the dream team ready from the summer thou.
It’s very similar to City. Remember when they got took over. The first 2-3 windows were just filled with trying to sign the world’s best players but with United it was just trying to build the dream structure. Inevitable they had a few Robinho’s, and I suppose the same applies with hiring a bunch of directors etc.
I do think/hope in the long term the swiftness of how United acted is the positive.
He does look like a mafia don on the up. Probably a requirement at Atletico to be fair.
And if thats his advice then we are doing the right thing getting rid of him now.
i don't miss the stability of the completely inept to be honest
It already started out all wrong when his loose behaviour with private emails got a lot of people into trouble.
So, I'm not surprised he got sidelined in the end.
So, I'm not surprised he got sidelined in the end.
The feck would the point be of replacing him with another external hire if Berrada and Wilcox decide they don't like him either?
No worries my friend. Am at work at the moment but will definitely have a look and get back to you if nobody else does. If you want to look into it yourself, you are looking around the time of the first emergency meeting and the Ten Hag endorsement.
How much input did they have on Ashworth? Surely they will get a lot of input on the next guy. Everyone was hired at the same time by Brailsford last summer.
Yup, remember quite a couple people bringing that up as a concern over the summer.
The reaction from the hivemind, of course, was "shut up and trust the process".
Great reply. Definitely posted from a rational adult.
Yeah I looked briefly but didn't find anything conclusive, anyway Ashworth wouldn't have said anything publicly since he was sidelined and tangling with Newcastle. But I accept your point, as I would assume that his general attitude, understandably, would have been for the club not to hire a new manager, without him being able to be actively involved, right before he takes over as DoF. That is not the same as being made responsible for triggering Ten Hag's extension, mind.
The bigger problem is that kind of approach would have meant also refusing to sell players like Rashford, Mount etc if they continue to not deliver due to their nationality alone.
Do us all a favour then.... You know where the delete account button is.
feck off with this shit..
I don't get this logic tbh. Any player with the kind of mentality we would want at United would take an article like this as motivation to prove people wrong. I really have no time for players with 'hurt feelings' after the last few years.
Not sure we need to replace Ashworth tbh, but if we do, and this might not be relevant, but Atletico's done some awful business whenever they've accumulated some money in the transfer market recently.
I thought he was the one who would solve all our transfer woes (according to CAF). Oh well....
I think people are reading too much into his sacking.
It happens in many organisations, when you re-shuffle the C-Suite. Sometimes a Director just doesn’t fit in with the rest of the leadership team.
Maybe Ashworth wanted more power. Or maybe the way he worked didn’t fit how the CEO wanted him to work.
As simple as that
It happens in many organisations, when you re-shuffle the C-Suite. Sometimes a Director just doesn’t fit in with the rest of the leadership team.
Maybe Ashworth wanted more power. Or maybe the way he worked didn’t fit how the CEO wanted him to work.
As simple as that
True, Felix and Alvarez both disasters.
In this case, they were probably briefed.
WHAT??????????
Where to start:
1. Keeping Rashford instead of Sancho was the most idiotic decision ever. Any decent data driven sports organization could see Rashford's physical decline and need to move on.
2. Keeping ETH over the summer after openly looking and replacing his staff? I don't even know how that makes sense. Chaotic decision making again.
3. Hiring a new manager mid season rather than letting an interim stabilizing things through the winter break and then switch.
While there were a lot of positives these crucial negative decisions that Dan clearly had some input over are the nail in the coffin to me.
1. Keeping Rashford instead of Sancho was the most idiotic decision ever. Any decent data driven sports organization could see Rashford's physical decline and need to move on.
2. Keeping ETH over the summer after openly looking and replacing his staff? I don't even know how that makes sense. Chaotic decision making again.
3. Hiring a new manager mid season rather than letting an interim stabilizing things through the winter break and then switch.
While there were a lot of positives these crucial negative decisions that Dan clearly had some input over are the nail in the coffin to me.
Oh that’s cool, if he’s not good enough to make it here to hell with his mental health.
Lemar too IMO. Or a 29 year old Diego Costa for €60m.
But like I said, even if we hired this guy, Atletico's transfer history might not be relevant, as clubs have different identities that new employees probably have to partly adapt to, and as we've seen with our own club in recent years, signings aren't decided by one person usually.
Ashworth was hired by INEOS. Presumably Berrada, with advice from Wilcox, will be the main one hiring the next guy.
That's if Wilcox isn't just promoted into the role himself, or if Ashworth's role isn't just broken up with both Berrada and Wilcox taking on parts of his job.
Quality control
In my opinion, yes. I don't give a feck about their mental health
While I agree with you on the first 2 points, for number 3 what makes you think an interim manager comes in and stabilizes things? Ragnick was an interim manager. Did he stabilize things? Better to get the manager in ASAP that you want to lead you longer term. He’ll have more time to become familiar with the players and that can only serve to help him next season.
At some point we will start looking back at the days of LVG, Mourinho, Woodward, and full Glazer control with longing.
That point is probably now - things were actually better back then.
That point is probably now - things were actually better back then.
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Which would have been known before hiring him. So ridiculous to know that and hire him anyway.