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I’d imagine we’ve had a conversation with Ashworth, something along the lines of “don’t be offended but we’re going to negotiate this hard and set a precedent that we’re not going to be taken for mugs anymore” and Ashworth will agree because it will make his job easier when he does eventually start.
Probably helps that he’s still getting paid and can do whatever he wants and go wherever he wants with whoever he wants
Bliss
I imagine he’s very career driven and chomping at the bit to get started at United.
So Ratcliffe met with them in person, listened to their request of 15m+5m and said "best I can do is 2m".
Gotta love Sir Jim.
Who should we believe? Some random football writer, who has probably built a reputation with clubs not to just blurt out any leaks he hears from them and therefore trusted with info, or the FIFA playing dickhead who whisper shouts when he livestreams because he doesn't want his wife to walk in and say "will you shut the feck up". I'm torn.
We can’t even get a deal like that for one of our players
Worked for him buying the club!!So Ratcliffe met with them in person, listened to their request of 15m+5m and said "best I can do is 2m".
So Ratcliffe met with them in person, listened to their request of 15m+5m and said "best I can do is 2m".
you can picture it. Him sitting there with his arms crossed casually while his helicopter gets powered up in the background."I'm skint, mate."
Ouch that is some gap to still overcome,however much like transfers I think it's a negotiation tactic
Berrada is on gardening leave until June right? Can't they both just sit down and chat about their future and strategy while not being employed at United?
Obviously 2m won't cut it due them paying twice when hiring him from Brighton, but at the same time is hugely refreshing to shift from the "just pay them what they want, he's worth it" school of thought. Hopefully this will permeate our entire negotiation strategy and pay dividends long-term.
Says in the article that Newcastle paid 2million not 4 million.
Football has truly gone mad when we’re paying similar rates for executives as we are for actual footballers.
I think this is brilliant from Newcastle. Distracts their fanbase from the season they're having. Gets em riled up and indignant about something that really doesn't matter.
The ownership of Newcastle have never had to compromise, struggle or moderate their desires in their entire spoilt lives. 20m is literally a decent weekend away from them. It means nothing. They could care less about money. All that matters is what the owners are feeling like this afternoon. And if they're feeling like they've had a seriously poor season after a promising first under Howe, this is a great way to keep the fans on their side.
I just feel bad for Ashworth. Newcastle were clearly happy with the idea of poaching the role - they just did it - but now are spitting their dummies out.
The interesting one will be the next major backroom staff member Newcastle approach. Were it me, this behaviour would make me think twice.
The ownership of Newcastle have never had to compromise, struggle or moderate their desires in their entire spoilt lives. 20m is literally a decent weekend away from them. It means nothing. They could care less about money. All that matters is what the owners are feeling like this afternoon. And if they're feeling like they've had a seriously poor season after a promising first under Howe, this is a great way to keep the fans on their side.
I just feel bad for Ashworth. Newcastle were clearly happy with the idea of poaching the role - they just did it - but now are spitting their dummies out.
The interesting one will be the next major backroom staff member Newcastle approach. Were it me, this behaviour would make me think twice.
I missed that. The Times has reported several times that Newcastle ended up paying 4m.
He’s shouting stuff over the garden fence. I hope the barcodes have a PI on the case.
Even if we do pay more than we originally offered - rumoured to be 5 or 6m if I remember rightly which is pretty generous if true - they'll have had to pay the guy's wages for the period between and the calculus will continue to decreasingly favour paying up. 6 months of a director's remaining gardening leave won't be worth £6m. Bonkers for Newcastle to hold out for more money tbh as long as what we're offering isn't insulting.
Incredibly small time from Newcastle and you'd have to think this will damage their reputation, especially at an executive level that is a relatively small pool of talent. The candidates they are looking to appoint will all want deals they can escape from without the threat of being stuck in that lunatic asylum should something better come along, you can't imagine the best and most ambitious wanting to go there either if they continue this, it's complete anti-business.
We should definitely wait them out, they will soon have to compromise properly when they want/need to appoint someone.
On a side note Ashworth should be able to work around this, just create an account on the Caf and post his scouting picks here @lucky Scoutworth or something
We should definitely wait them out, they will soon have to compromise properly when they want/need to appoint someone.
On a side note Ashworth should be able to work around this, just create an account on the Caf and post his scouting picks here @lucky Scoutworth or something
On a side note Ashworth should be able to work around this, just create an account on the Caf and post his scouting picks here @lucky Scoutworth or something
Or write messages to Wilcox on a birding forum.
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't want a resolution before the summer transfer window has passed. Even without Ashworth working their plans are probably in place for the summer.
I think Ratcliffe has to do what we are currently doing. We don't want to come across as 'dumb money' anymore as he eloquently described us. For too long we've just thrown money at problems and I think it's good that we are theoretically drawing a line in the sand and trying to be smarter/better in that regard.
I think Berrarda/Wilcox was a good move and takes away a bit of the power Newcastle have in the situation as we are capable of moving forward in the short term without Ashworth.
I think Berrarda/Wilcox was a good move and takes away a bit of the power Newcastle have in the situation as we are capable of moving forward in the short term without Ashworth.
"First we need to deal with the Bald Eagle, then there's a bunch of ChiffChaff we have to dispose of. Only then can we hope to deal with the blue tits' sort of thing? It's possible I guess.
If this guy comes in and tells INEOS to sell Rashford then he's worth £200m.
Thank you for explaining negotiation to us!
Yeah disagree with O Neill who thinks we should stop messing around and pay what it takes, he needs to remember doing that will affect future transfer negotiations too
It's funny cos it's the kind of thing we've been crucified for in the past - weird that the discourse has now changed on this.
Think it's just because we've wasted so much money.
2M vs 15M+5M for someone really integral to our new football structure. Basically we are not only telling NU to feck off. We are also telling the football world that we are not the Adult Disneyland anymore. We will not be throwing money at our problems. We are now a proper football club with plans and strategies.
A far cry from our infamous "We can do things other clubs can only dream off".
A far cry from our infamous "We can do things other clubs can only dream off".
So.. they care somewhat about money?
Didn’t we just hire that Sam Williams guy from Ipswich for the Head of Recruitment role? Or is he doing something else? I’m all for pissing the Geordie’s off as much as possible though, so hopefully we do hire Freedman.
Would be very funny if Newcastle came away with nothing
Wow, I guess that 2 million will sound like a good deal now. Injected it into my veins.
Williams is lead scout for 17-21s.
I think we are interested in Freedman, because there has been noise about it before.
But if we weren’t, it would be quite smart to brief a few journalists that we were and then float the idea to Newcastle that we’ll back off if they’re willing to be a bit more reasonable regarding Ashworth.
But if we weren’t, it would be quite smart to brief a few journalists that we were and then float the idea to Newcastle that we’ll back off if they’re willing to be a bit more reasonable regarding Ashworth.
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