Or let’s credit the DOF and wait a few years to hail Eddie Howe
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Newcastle could have done a pre-Guardiola City/Chelsea and splurged cash on random players with no culture just because they had sugar daddy money. They didn't, and instead went about hiring the right manager, the right backroom staff and the right players creating a culture of competence. I have massive respect for what they're doing. I can see them competing for the title in 2-3 years and Europe in 4-5 years when they'll be able to attract some serious top level talent.
But why and for what , Eddie Howe is the one who delivered Champions League football at Saint James Park at first time of Asking and with mostly the squad which flirted with relegation .
And of most influential buys post takeover Likes of Guimarães and trippier were bought in before his appointment as well Eddie Howe . But he definitely Deserves credit for Likes of Botman , Isak and Pope of which two were regular .
So I don't see why he deserve any more credit than Eddie Howe who actually have done stellar job so far .
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He Wasn't ever but he has certainly evolved and worked on weaknesses during his break from management and his work so far at Newcastle is nothing short of sensational .
Newcastle have spent an absolute shit ton and that is why they are where they are
Everton spent an absolute shit ton and look where they are.
You spent more.
well that and a ton of Saudi money of course.
Well money obviously did help but getting the team flirting with relegation to Champions League with just just 3-4 big signings deserves some credit .
Hiring an excellent DOF while boiling Geordie piss in the process? Win, win! 
I think Dan Ashworth is currently the best director of football in the world, so OF COURSE we would be lucky to have him.
What I fail to see is why would Dan want to join the trainwreck that United currently is. Sure, we have a big name, historically but right now we are shambles. And we don't even have mega-rich owners to support things Dan would want to do to take us out of the mud.
I don't know what sentimental reasons Ashworth may have to join United, but rationally speaking - he would be insane to leave Newcastle for United. I am not buying that we can lure him just by higher salary. Saudis can pay him whatever salary he desires
What I fail to see is why would Dan want to join the trainwreck that United currently is. Sure, we have a big name, historically but right now we are shambles. And we don't even have mega-rich owners to support things Dan would want to do to take us out of the mud.
I don't know what sentimental reasons Ashworth may have to join United, but rationally speaking - he would be insane to leave Newcastle for United. I am not buying that we can lure him just by higher salary. Saudis can pay him whatever salary he desires
Think the idea is that INEOS are here to undo the train wreck
Who wouldn't want to be a big reason to get United back to where they belong would be my rebuttle - what an achievement that would be
We have more money than Newcastle effectively
What has Dan Ashworth done?
Until a legal challenge against FFP happens……..within 3 years it’ll be gone, it’s anti competitive As is FMV.
What's the top 5 and what's it based on?
That's a silly question in all honesty. Why would you not want to be the person responsible in bringing united back on their perch? At this point you'd have immortal status within the game.
It's not a silly question though really. Newcastle would be a really exciting prospect for anyone in football. With the backing they have, they could be the next City.
Obviously United would still be a massive pull for anyone too. But I don't think it's a silly question.
Yes getting Newcastle to the next step is an exciting prospect, and if he turned down united to stay and do that, fair enough. But it's silly in that it's obvious why someone would want that united job at the same time.
How do you figure that we have more money than Newcastle?
Because he is a director of football, not a magician?
How can anybody bring United back to to glory, when Glazers still own the club and the guy who got 25% of the stake doesn't have nearly the funds to compete with mega-rich Arab owners of our competitors?
You want to go to a place where you will be supported for success, not a place that would be a miracle to turn around. Which is why Pep went to a nothing-club Man City, instead of Man United. And he was definitely asked to come to United. That was also before we were broken financially
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Is he really that great? Newcastle have been dreadful this season.
Probably because we aren’t broken financially. FFP and mismanagement is currently hampering the club but the hope is this nonsense can now be undone with some more competence which is what INEOS are looking to bring. It’s all easily undoable given what the club makes and its continued potential for growth.
It seems like you’re not really too clued up on this.
Tbf they could offer him a route of progression which might involve overseeing both Nice & United, and then eventually within the bigger INEOS sports hierarchy
I'm sure you held the same opinion a couple of years ago
Must be nice to see the future.
Btw it's not impossible for sports to be "anti competitive", it's not an absolute rule and there are exceptions.
By this logic no one good would ever join anyone struggling and no team that struggles would ever get out of the mess they are in. Nothing in life really works as you seem to think. People want different challenges, have various ambitions and desires.
United (yes there’s only one United) are still a huge football club. They remain, with Liverpool, the biggest in England and most renowned in world football. Much like AC Milan during their struggles.
If you were going to join United then in fact doing it now makes much more sense given the investment and overhaul of footballing operations. Along with the marginalisation of the Glazers and their clear longer term desire to fully depart.
Now is the time to join the club, be a key part of the new regime and become pivotal in the turn around.
Having Arab owners doesn’t mean that they can go out and spend what they want, it has to be within the confines of what they bring in.
if United can clear FFP up and perhaps remove some of the debt of the club, it is in a far better place to do transfers than Newcastle. United’s marketing, sponsorship, and merchandising will always be much better than most clubs
If you want to credit/discredit anyone at Newcastle, then those people are Eddie Howe and Steve Nickson who is in charge of recruitment at first team level. And when Ashworth joined Newcastle in May 2022, his immediate job wasn't to recruit players, but rather create structures from the bottom up, which would allow Newcastle to develop the football side of the club, which would in-turn allow them to target personnel with big credentials to occupy those positions in various different roles within the football club. Newcastle had fallen very far at all levels and Ashworth's primary role was to modernise and develop the football side of the club, whilst Howe and Nickson ran recruitment.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-adidas-kit-deal-b2384838.html
You only have to see this.
How did Liverpool turn from arguably shitter than us to being on par with city out of interest?
Because they aren’t allowed to spend shit with even tighter ffp rules coming in?
Simple answer: Jurgen Klopp.
That said
1. Liverpool are not on par with City. They are not shitty, anymore, but they won 1 EPL and 2 UCLs in last 30 years. City can't stop winning every year with only occasional blips. Not the same at all
2. We are still owned by Glazers, who are absolutely horrible. Sure, INEOS got control of "sporting operations" but budget is still owned by Glazers so it's unclear how things will work out. Best case scenario, hopefully we can get to Liverpool level (I don't think Ten Hag is anywhere as good as Klopp, though) but we are not going to be able to compete with City. Newcastle may be able to. FFP didn't stop City, at least not so far
We are Manchester United, they are Newcastle United. If you don’t understand why anybody would jump from them to us then you don’t understand football well.
I would argue that they certainly understand football well because Manchester United and football don't go hand in hand.
The only appeal here is commercial. Footballing wise we are behind the curve.
Of course we are behind the curve, we have been ran and owned by people that not only don’t understand football but they also don’t care about it, it has been ran by people that only care about the commercial side of it so I agree with you on that point.
However, that looks like it’s going to change, we now have a majority owner who’s sole interest is to make this football club great again, he wants to employ the best people in the right places and he wants to get this club back to the very top of English football, where we belong.
For Dan Ashworth, the opportunity to work for Manchester United would be one that would be simply too good to turn down. If the project is right, which it looks like it will be, he can be part of the group of people that returned Manchester United, the big club in England by a distance, to the top of English football, he’d cement his name in history.
The only reason he would stay at Newcastle United is if he doesn’t have much ambition, 1 league cup every other 50 years or so is enough to satisfy them, that simply won’t do at Old Trafford. We’ve been a mess for years now and have still been far more successful trophy wise than they have, despite all the dirty money they’ve spent.
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