Dalot vs Wan-Bissaka

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Personally, if we're looking at trajectory, form and improvement.... Dalot is probably out of here before AWB. All this talk of how he doesn't fit the profile as if things are static and constant..... Life isn't like that. When you have to keep referring to old Dalot and old AWB you should maybe think about updating your views.

Meanwhile you have ETH stressing that you work with what you have, you work to improve them and raise the levels, not just splash cash to bring in names. So glad we got him.... Great mentality!
 
Based Adnan said:
Akanji and Stones are not the same profile as AWB. Same for White at Arsenal.
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White is literally identical to AWB. Excellent defensively, Solid in possession, nothing special in the final third. Akanji is similar, though better than both in the final third. All 3 defended the right defensive flank of their teams. All 3 clubs were the most successful last season in England.
 
afrocentricity said:
Personally, if we're looking at trajectory, form and improvement.... Dalot is probably out of here before AWB. All this talk of how he doesn't fit the profile as if things are static and constant..... Life isn't like that. When you have to keep referring to old Dalot and old AWB you should maybe think about updating your views.

Meanwhile you have ETH stressing that you work with what you have, you work to improve them and raise the levels, not just splash cash to bring in names. So glad we got him.... Great mentality!
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I don't understand what you mean with bolded. It's not outdated views to say that Dalot's passing ability fits better with Ten Hags preferred tactic than Wan Bissaka's dribbling ability. They also are clearly told different instructions when they play because Wan Bissaka tends to play as a more traditional fullback who hugs the line more, whereas Dalot is instructed to come into the midfield more to act as an auxiliary midfielder. They both have strengths which help the team though. There's going to be certain games where you want Wan Bissaka to play because he's the better defender of the two (that's not an outdated view), whereas in games where you are expecting to dominate possession Dalot is going to be preferred based on his ability to act as that extra midfielder. I don't understand why people have such abject views on a player with complete disregard for the managers tactics. You can't just say x player is better than y without taking into consideration the team and how it's setup to play.

Ten Hag is more likely to be stressing "you work with what you have" because of our striker situation than the fullbacks where we are well stocked.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
White is literally identical to AWB. Excellent defensively, Solid in possession, nothing special in the final third. Akanji is similar, though better than both in the final third. All 3 defended the right defensive flank of their teams. All 3 clubs were the most successful last season in England.
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All 3 can invert into midfield to create an overload. AWB is exclusively used as a traditional fullback due to his inability to do so whereas the 3 mentioned can fulfill both roles.

Pep or Arteta never sign a player like AWB.
 
Dalot is better at passing, shooting, heading, attacking movement and positioning while AWB's only better attribute is tackling
 
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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
White is literally identical to AWB. Excellent defensively, Solid in possession, nothing special in the final third. Akanji is similar, though better than both in the final third. All 3 defended the right defensive flank of their teams. All 3 clubs were the most successful last season in England.
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AWB isn't "excellent defensively" though, he's an expert 1v1 defender but quite poor both aerially and positioning wise. And White and Akanji are miles more comfortable both in their passing and keeping possession. It's not a good comparison.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
AWB isn't "excellent defensively" though, he's an expert 1v1 defender but quite poor both aerially and positioning wise. And White and Akanji are miles more comfortable both in their passing and keeping possession. It's not a good comparison.
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First The notion AWB isn't good at defending other than one on one is demonstratably laughable...
Second, in terms of possession AWB has a significantly better long pass accuracy than White, is worse in shorted passing by just a 1.5% percentage, and has an identical number of interceptions over the league season. Yet he plays a far more defensive role than White who is allowed to be part of the midfield. The comparison in terms of defensive contribution and overall success of their respective teams frankly very apt.

It seems for some it's just fashionable to act like AWB is a bottom half of the table tier player. Regardless of what he actually does on pitch.
 
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It's clear that Wan Bissaka is the first choice at the moment, but it'll be interesting to see what the situation is by the end of the season.

Hopefully they'll both compete and push each other to be the best they can be, but like others have said, it's possible we'll be looking for a right back next Summer.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
First The notion AWB isn't good at defending other than one on one is demonstratably laughable...
Second, in terms of possession AWB has a significantly better long pass accuracy than White, is worse in shorted passing by just a 1.5% percentage, and has an identical number of interceptions over the league season. Yet he plays a far more defensive role than White who is allowed to be part of the midfield. The comparison in terms of defensive contribution and overall success of their respective teams frankly very apt.

It seems for some it's just fashionable to act like AWB is a bottom half of the table tier player. Regardless of what he actually does on pitch.
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Citing passing percentages for a player that passes as little as AWB is the laughable part. He plays for more of a defensive role because he’s poor in the final third.

But I’m sure someone can cut up a quick montage of times we’ve been scored on because AWB loses a runner/aerial duel/ gets caught out jogging back if you really think it’s that “laughable”.
 
Wan Bissaka passes so much - he even uses passes to get mostly out of tight spaces.

Passing and the final cross is two different things.
 
Also Wan Bissaka has hardly been crap at heading since last season & people still mention it like an itch on their back they cannot reach.

He is not crap at heading or back at the post defending anymore judging him on last season’s performances.

He might have let one or two goals at max in the last 6 months in competitions from the right side - but that’s not just going to stop happening no matter who the defender is even if it’s Martinez or Akanji - goals are going to eventually happen.

AWB cannot be targeted by back post crosses and heading anymore.
 
The comparisons with White are laughable. He's a mediocre cb who would've been moved on if not for Saka who he formed a decent understanding with. No, Pep would not have signed him either.
 
It’s AWB for me, best tackler in the league. I guess it depends who you are playing. Dalot against weaker teams we can score more against. AWB when we are under the cosh like playing pool or city. Having said that AWB has improved the attacking side of his game.
 
Based Adnan said:
All 3 can invert into midfield to create an overload. AWB is exclusively used as a traditional fullback due to his inability to do so whereas the 3 mentioned can fulfill both roles.

Pep or Arteta never sign a player like AWB.
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Whether or not he has the ability in that regard, that is absolute nonsense as we have never played with inverted full backs, pretty much only CIty have.

Shaw for example could have the ability to play as an inverted full back, has he? No, so saying Bissaka is weak as he cant play as an inverted full back when as of yet we have never looked to play with any is completely irrelevant "Our player cant play the role of a CIty player that we dont play"?
 
How much would we read into whoever starts versus Wolves in GW1? A case of a near coin toss or a case of that player being the favoured option?
 
jesperjaap said:
Whether or not he has the ability in that regard, that is absolute nonsense as we have never played with inverted full backs, pretty much only CIty have.

Shaw for example could have the ability to play as an inverted full back, has he? No, so saying Bissaka is weak as he cant play as an inverted full back when as of yet we have never looked to play with any is completely irrelevant "Our player cant play the role of a CIty player that we dont play"?
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We have done it at times. Not consistently like City but Shaw, Malacia and Dalot have all had games where they've inverted into midfield. Even in the game vs Lens right now Dalot is taking up central positions that AWB wouldn't.

We also had one of the deepest lines in the league last season and failed to consistently control games yet you wouldn't say this is our playstyle moving forward would you? The team will adapt as ETH builds it more in his image.
 
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Dalot! What a goal!

We can find a better attacking RB to Dalot but we won’t find a better 1 v 1 defender to Wan Bissaka.
 
So there we are. They're no better than one another. Even the mistakes resemble each other.

Ultimately, neither good enough, as most of us believe.
 
What an airhead Dalot is! Nowhere near good enough for this club. We still need a right back.
 
Bebestation said:
He caused the Lindelof mistake va Dortmund too by unnecessarily passing back and putting the whole defensive line on pressure.
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He is a terrible player to be fair a defensive liability and offers random quality passing up front.
 
Bebestation said:
He caused the Lindelof mistake va Dortmund too by unnecessarily passing back and putting the whole defensive line on pressure.
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Frustrating because it’ll limit Obama’s effectiveness if he has to stay further back because our right backs are capable of sloppy passes which would expose him staying high.
 
Fitting of their rivalry for the RB position that both Dalot and AWB have caused opposition goals with intercepted passes inside this pre-season. Almost like neither are quite good enough...
 
DJ_21 said:
Don’t care what anyone says. AWB is better.
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100% with you here. Dalot isn't good enough defending for a start so you'd think his other attributes would make up, unfortunately not
 
DJ_21 said:
Don’t care what anyone says. AWB is better.
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Agreed. Dalot's ability on the ball is consistently overstated whilst AWB's is underrated. Dalot's short passing has been sloppy for a while now whilst AWB's one touch passing and link up play has actually improved under Ten Hag. Dalot has a better shot and cross on him but that's about it.
 
sullydnl said:
Fitting of their rivalry for the RB position that both Dalot and AWB have caused opposition goals with intercepted passes inside this pre-season. Almost like neither are quite good enough...
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That's what I was coming to say, they are both average players who can sometimes play very well.

It feels like a mistake not selling one of them and trying to get a better right-back.
 
Zumbi said:
Agreed. Dalot's ability on the ball is consistently overstated whilst AWB's is underrated. Dalot's short passing has been sloppy for a while now whilst AWB's one touch passing and link up play has actually improved under Ten Hag. Dalot has a better shot and cross on him but that's about it.
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AWB made the same mistake for the last goal we conceded before this game.
 
AWB should be starting against wolves and it’s not even a debate he is clear of Dalot.
 
Idxomer said:
Both were about equal last season.
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Agreed, but the consensus seems to be that Dalot is better on the ball and AWB is better defensively. That's what I mean by one's ability with the ball is overrated and the other is underrated. In reality there's not much between them on that front.
 
I was asking for Dalot to come back in but after today I've changed my mind again. I'm sure I'll change my mind yet again when I see AWB play.

Truthfully neither of them are it. Dalot's got a very generous reputation as an attacking full back as he doesn't do anything in attack, and he's just a bit better in playing out from the back than AWB. AWB will always be one of our weakest technical players. AWB far better dealing with wingers running at him, Dalot better in the air and defending the back post from crosses I'd say.
 
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