Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed

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Lane said:
Check how much money were paid for Thiago, Strootman, 22-23 mil pounds, that is around 28 mil euro is a high price, that is reserved for young stars only, like Pogba, or attacking players like Lamela, Lallana etc.

Belgium is pretty much stocked in CM area. So much in fact they were "forced" to exclude Nainggolan from Roma. You can google they guy, the reviews he get etc. He was really good this season.
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Thiago had a minimum clause fee, Strootman had never played outside holland. 23m is value for a quality midfielder with a good international record and who had proven himself at a top league especially if he can 'play' as DM, CM and AM. The reason why Fellaini never moved was that never really rated him.

I know Nainggolan pretty well. I watch the Serie A nearly week in week out, I visit Italy at least 3 times a year and I can speak the Italian language fluently. He's a decent player however he was brought as understudy/quality cover to Strootman and De Rossi. Also Fellaini has been around for longer and has more caps. Its only fair that he's preferred to him
 
Lane said:
He still would be only as good as a reserve. England has a Cleverly as such "reserve". Just saying.
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Yeah, and Cantona or Ginola weren't, its a selection. You don't necessarily choose the best players but the best teams. Just look at Brazil this year.
 
iBoss said:
So what are his attributes? To what style does he fit in? He was best off the front man. Most of his work was aerial and in the air. Bringing the ball down from a long or lofted ball. He gained his reputation from that. Deeper and actual play making and starting the moves? No. He will not find a pass from receiving it from a CB. He will not dribble past the opposition lines. He was most useful when they were getting crosses in or he had his back to goal. He was good at trapping it laying it off and getting into the box. That doesn't make you a good CM. Kagawa and Hernandez proved their worth in their positions in championship winning teams. Fellaini hasn't and never will at CM. He isn't good enough defensively apart from his height and strength. That doesn't make you a good DM either.

He also had a good game against us in the opening day (12/13 I think). We shut him down at Old Trafford though when we man marked him and their long balls were not working.
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That's just a very inaccurate descriptions, seems like you did not watch any of Evertons games in 11-12 you also missed a whole bunch of important games last season. As i've said you need to watch Everton-City in 2013, Fellaini played deep and was good. He has reliable passing, his strong and his defensive contribution is good, his shot is okay, he is good in air. You can just google Fellaini and see any article on whoscored or eplindex or wherever you like. He had a very bad season, so did many players in United, but that's no reason to discard him or even brand him a nothing player, or player that could not fit into any CL team or smth like that. You just being ignorant, Fellaini has a lot ot offer when he is in form. Lets see how exaclty he would fare at WC and then if LVG will keep him, how will he play under new manager.
 
JPRouve said:
Yeah, and Cantona or Ginola weren't, its a selection. You don't necessarily choose the best players but the best teams. Just look at Brazil this year.
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You don't hear me, i am telling you he won't get into their team on a best players basis even. He might make 23, but that's it. Having seen Witsel and him, i'd say i rather have Witsel.
 
Lane said:
You don't hear me, i am telling you he won't get into their team on a best players basis even. He might make 23, but that's it. Having seen Witsel and him, i'd say i rather have Witsel.
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I don't understand you're saying Fellaini won't be in their team or Naingollan.
 
Lane said:
That's just a very inaccurate descriptions, seems like you did not watch any of Evertons games in 11-12 you also missed a whole bunch of important games last season. As i've said you need to watch Everton-City in 2013, Fellaini played deep and was good. He has reliable passing, his strong and his defensive contribution is good, his shot is okay, he is good in air. You can just google Fellaini and see any article on whoscored or eplindex or wherever you like. He had a very bad season, so did many players in United, but that's no reason to discard him or even brand him a nothing player, or player that could not fit into any CL team or smth like that. You just being ignorant, Fellaini has a lot ot offer when he is in form. Lets see how exaclty he would fare at WC and then if LVG will keep him, how will he play under new manager.
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He has something to offer as an AM in a certain play style. Not in CM at a team trying to win trophies. His best work in the 12-13 was inside the box or with his back to goal.
 
devilish said:
Thiago had a minimum clause fee, Strootman had never played outside holland. 23m is value for a quality midfielder with a good international record and who had proven himself at a top league especially if he can 'play' as DM, CM and AM. The reason why Fellaini never moved was that never really rated him.
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Who? I'd say that a pretty high money for someone who is not playing in CL especially.

devilish said:
I know Nainggolan pretty well. I watch the Serie A nearly week in week out, I visit Italy at least 3 times a year and I can speak the Italian language fluently. He's a decent player however he was brought as understudy/quality cover to Strootman and De Rossi. Also Fellaini has been around for longer and has more caps. Its only fair that he's preferred to him
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Exactly my point. You've asked if Belgium had any decent option beside Fellaini, i've named you one. I too think that Nainggolan was excluded deservingly.
 
iBoss said:
He has something to offer as an AM in a certain play style. Not in CM at a team trying to win trophies. His best work in the 12-13 was inside the box or with his back to goal.
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That;s not true. He played as a CM most of his career, before Everton, in national team, in all of the Everton's season expect one. And even then he played as a AM maybe in 60% of the games, he did have more than enough fine CM performances in 12-13. As i've said like a dozen times already, just watch game with City if you don't believe me. That was a great CM performance.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't understand you're saying Fellaini won't be in their team or Naingollan.
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Naingollan. I'd say he maybe could have made a squad, i don't know maybe he did get excluded like Nasri so he won't sulk. But even if Wilmots would have taken the guy to Brazil, he would only be a sub, and not like a first or second or third subs, more like deeper cover.
 
Lane said:
That;s not true. He played as a CM most of his career, before Everton, in national team, in all of the Everton's season expect one. And even then he played as a AM maybe in 60% of the games, he did have more than enough fine CM performances in 12-13. As i've said like a dozen times already, just watch game with City if you don't believe me. That was a great CM performance.
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You keep talking about this City game.

His best stuff happens in the box or with his back to goal. He may have started at CM but when Everton had the ball deep they went long and he was closer to the opposition goal. He laid if off and then got into the box.

He's barely a CM. I'm done with this, I got exams coming up.
 
Lane said:
Who? I'd say that a pretty high money for someone who is not playing in CL especially.

Exactly my point. You've asked if Belgium had any decent option beside Fellaini, i've named you one. I too think that Nainggolan was excluded deservingly.
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a) I don't think so. He's young, he can play 3 positions, he's 'quality', a regular international and EPL proven. When one considers the money spent for the likes of Henderson, Carroll and Young then 23m is a fair price....if he's quality.

b) Radja was brought as a utility player for Roma. Ok he did fairly well while there but that's not enough to replace a regular.
 
iBoss said:
You keep talking about this City game.

His best stuff happens in the box or with his back to goal. He may have started at CM but when Everton had the ball deep they went long and he was closer to the opposition goal. He laid if off and then got into the box.

He's barely a CM. I'm done with this, I got exams coming up.
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Cause that's a good example to show that you are being ignorant. Fellaini did have good matches and he can be a good CM, maybe not united's level, but that is not the reason to berate him.
 
devilish said:
a) I don't think so. He's young, he can play 3 positions, he's 'quality', a regular international and EPL proven. When one considers the money spent for the likes of Henderson, Carroll and Young then 23m is a fair price....if he's quality.

b) Radja was brought as a utility player for Roma. Ok he did fairly well while there but that's not enough to replace a regular.
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1) Name please. Carroll is a CF, they are priced differently, i assume you do realize that. If 23 mil is low offer, there should be at least dozen example of CM players going for 23 at least. And many more for 24-25.
2) He is a very good player though, he was very good in Bologna, yes, he is a squad player at Roma, but that's a second team in Serie A. And sisnce his transfer i think he played in like 80% of the games, of course mostly to a Strootman injury, but still. He did play, he did okay. That is certainly much more than anyone can say about Cleverly for example.
 
Lane said:
Cause that's a good example to show that you are being ignorant. Fellaini did have good matches and he can be a good CM, maybe not united's level, but that is not the reason to berate him.
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Now that he is a United player, you're right. But we shouldn't have bought him in first place whatever the price because he is not good enough as CM.

And for his great performances under Everton jersey, they are due to Moyes, who used Fellaini in very specific roles in order to detroy very specific side of the opponents play.

Fellaini in a standard midfield with a standard role is an average midfielder.
 
Lane said:
1) Name please. Carroll is a CF, they are priced differently, i assume you do realize that. If 23 mil is low offer, there should be at least dozen example of CM players going for 23 at least. And many more for 24-25.
2) He is a very good player though, he was very good in Bologna, yes, he is a squad player at Roma, but that's a second team in Serie A. And sisnce his transfer i think he played in like 80% of the games, of course mostly to a Strootman injury, but still. He did play, he did okay. That is certainly much more than anyone can say about Cleverly for example.
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Henderson moved for 20m and had less international caps then Fellaini, Cabaye moved to PSG for 20m and Matic moved back to Chelsea for 23m. Many of these players had less/equal EPL and international experience then Fellaini

And I don't know why all this obsession with Cleverley.
 
JPRouve said:
Now that he is a United player, you're right. But we shouldn't have bought him in first place whatever the price because he is not good enough as CM.

And for his great performances under Everton jersey, they are due to Moyes, who used Fellaini in very specific roles in order to detroy very specific side of the opponents play.

Fellaini in a standard midfield with a standard role is an average midfielder.
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There are a lot of players we should not have bought in hindsight. Do you want a list for the last 10 years? It's a long one. First of all, the guy had just a year here, i don't quite appreciate him myself and i was not happy with his transfer, but it's too early to say that he is a complete no-go, like some of our squad bought for similar money actually. Maybe he will find himself in a kind of squad role, it's not like Cleverley, Fletcher is better now. In fact apart from Carrick i can't see him being worse than other in CM area. We desperately need better players there, but still.

His good play in Everton was not due to specific role. That's just bull, he played in normal CM role for a majority of time there. And only like maybe 60% in the last season he played a specific AM role. He is also a Belgium national player, so any notion that he can only play as a giant AM in a direct teams like West Ham is stupid really. That is what i am trying to say.

devilish said:
Henderson moved for 20m and had less international caps then Fellaini, Cabaye moved to PSG for 20m and Matic moved back to Chelsea for 23m. Many of these players had less/equal EPL and international experience then Fellaini

And I don't know why all this obsession with Cleverley.
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It's not obsession, it an example of how good actually Nainggolan is considering he did not make a cut, i am just pointing, that while Nainggolan is not a world beater he certainly an upgrade of what some other middle-class european teams have.
Okay i agree with your transfer examples, lets say that no big team was really interested in him. Still leaves him with a lot of good matches in CM position in PL and a career in rather strong national team.
 
From what I understand this is also the multifunctional midfielder thread now, and I don't have any problems with that.

But to talk about Daley Blind vs. Ghana:

He played a very decent game tonight. Like he mostly does. Never got into trouble and should've gotten an assist after 10 minutes of play, but Robben tapped it over in front of an open goal.

Looks like he will be Hollands first choice left back for sure in Brazil. Obviously still lacks the real pace top players on his position do have, but aside from that I think he looks in decent form and I think he might be in pretty good performance at the World Cup.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
From what I understand this is also the multifunctional midfielder thread now, and I don't have any problems with that.

But to talk about Daley Blind vs. Ghana:

He played a very decent game tonight. Like he mostly does. Never got into trouble and should've gotten an assist after 10 minutes of play, but Robben tapped it over in front of an open goal.

Looks like he will be Hollands first choice left back for sure in Brazil. Obviously still lacks the real pace top players on his position do have, but aside from that I think he looks in decent form and I think he might be in pretty good performance at the World Cup.
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Did he play left wingback tonight? I had heard he was going to play in midfield beside de Jong in a 352, but I didn't get to see the game.
 
Juan't Mata said:
Did he play left wingback tonight? I had heard he was going to play in midfield beside de Jong in a 352, but I didn't get to see the game.
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Yep. And with Kongolo and Indi as the only two other options for left back, Blind will probably play there in Brazil too. De Guzman played in midfield with De Jong and Sneijder. So De Guzman, Clasie and Fer will be competing for one spot in midfield. Nigel de Jong was really good by the way, De Guzman not special but not bad either.


Don't think we're interested in signing Blind at United because he's not really what we need, and next year he will play in midfield for Ajax and he has a good chance of being made captain there. He also stated he would like to stay there a couple of times. Although a very good World Cup could change everything, I think he knows staying at Ajax would be the best move for him.
 
Commentary when ever he takes the wrong option, "Blind did not see xyz's run." Meanwhile on the pitch Xyz says, "I was open right there, are you blind." Nearby spectator yells "He is actually."
 
Lane said:
It's not obsession, it an example of how good actually Nainggolan is considering he did not make a cut, i am just pointing, that while Nainggolan is not a world beater he certainly an upgrade of what some other middle-class european teams have.
Okay i agree with your transfer examples, lets say that no big team was really interested in him. Still leaves him with a lot of good matches in CM position in PL and a career in rather strong national team.
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Actually its really not the case. Cleverley is at United because he's a homegrown talent ie he's been here for ages, he qualify for the UEFA/FA rules on homegrown talent and he's free. There's no way on earth that United would have spent 1 penny on the likes of Cleverley, Philip Neville and OShea and there's every possibility that United would have retained Fellaini if he happened to be a homegrown talent.

A foreign player tend to cost money, he's usually on higher salary then the average homegrown talent whose here to boost the ranks and he doesn't qualify for the homegrown talent criteria heavily imposed by UEFA/FA. Hence why we tend to expect a higher standard for foreigners.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
From what I understand this is also the multifunctional midfielder thread now, and I don't have any problems with that.

But to talk about Daley Blind vs. Ghana:

He played a very decent game tonight. Like he mostly does. Never got into trouble and should've gotten an assist after 10 minutes of play, but Robben tapped it over in front of an open goal.

Looks like he will be Hollands first choice left back for sure in Brazil. Obviously still lacks the real pace top players on his position do have, but aside from that I think he looks in decent form and I think he might be in pretty good performance at the World Cup.
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Yeah, I though he played well. Very tidy going forward, seems to have a great left foot.
 
Looked a good rotation/squad player, and a good squad has those.
Not first xi quality, but a definitive update on Buttner.
 
I'd get him for 10m ahead of Shaw for 27m. Looks better going forward and still quite young.
 
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