Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed

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Irish-Red-7 said:
Would disagree on that.. Nani for me is the better player regardless of what happened on the tour. A purple patch in July doesn't balance Youngs previous seasons of being average.
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You need to consider Nani's injury record, which the majority simply don't seem to do. Keeping Nani would be truly terrible business mate, he'd hardly ever play and when he did he'd likely do poorly because of only just being back from injury. Not to mention he's on £90k per week. It's basically the same as keeping Anderson even though the majority seem to want Anderson gone. We should be trying to sell both for whatever price we can get for them. Young has had injuries (which undoubtedly contributed to many of his bad games also. Tbf, he actually did pretty well when he first came here), but nowhere near as many as Anderson or Nani.

I'd be shocked to ever see Nani recover from these injuries. He's been playing less and less every year since his breakout seasons in 09/10 and 10/11. We would have been better letting him go on a free this year than having renegotiated a new 5-year contract with a £10k per week pay rise. If we get anything like the £4m that was being reported last season we should sell. Ando will never be sold. The best we can do now is find him a loan until his contract expires.
 
khoazany said:
I would bring James though.I guess it's a difference in personal preference.And James is actually not less versatile than Blind.Blind has more experience obviously but I don't think LVG cares about that.

Still I think we need to have another real quality CM than this guy if we're going to sign only 1 player more.We're not short of left back cover in Young and James and we're not short of number in CM either (adding one more "okayish" option won't really improve it to the level we aim for).If we need another option for CB,let's buy a CB.
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Agree with you here. There is no point spending around 20m on a back-up no matter how versatile. We've already got the likes of Keane and Blackett at CB who are likely better than him there anyway and have more potential. He has hardly played at CB and if we are that stretched Carrick or even Fletcher would be able to slot in just as well. We've also seen a better CB in De Vrij go for less than 8m. You could probably buy a CB and CM for 10m each who would be better than Blind in each position.

If we're going to spend 20m we may as well get a proper quality midfielder like Schneiderlin. Young and Reece James have looked good cover for LWB as well.
 
AkaAkuma said:
I think Blind is the backup if the Vidal transfer fails.
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I agree, but i think united need to decide once and for all what they're going to do with Vidal and Blind. I doubt they'll sign both, make a decision, then sign him.
 
Blind would a very underwhelming signing. His an average player who can do a job in 2-3 positions that's about it.
 
NMF said:
Blind would a very underwhelming signing. His an average player who can do a job in 2-3 positions that's about it.
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I've no problem with it. He's cover for left back, midfield and possibly even centre half if we're short. We're desperate for cover in those positions and he looked half decent at the world cup. It's good for the squad.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
I agree, but i think united need to decide once and for all what they're going to do with Vidal and Blind. I doubt they'll sign both, make a decision, then sign him.
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My impression is we want Vidal, have an agreement, but want him at the right price. As we showed with the Mata deal, we put a lot of thought into the way go about a deal, so Im sure they have a plan laid out. If that plan fails, Blind will be signed. He's already been quoted as saying he'd like to come. So there must have been some sort of contact.
 
NMF said:
Blind would a very underwhelming signing. His an average player who can do a job in 2-3 positions that's about it.
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Not all the players we sign have to be first 11 quality. He's certainly a better squad option than we have at the moment and covers several positions. Keep in mind were probably going to flog a lot of squad players so he would make sense
 
Randall Flagg said:
He isn't expensive enough for your tastes
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Actually I don't think his worth the reported fee of 17-20M. Unlike some I'd prefer we sign quality players so we can actually compete with the top teams.
 
NMF said:
Blind would a very underwhelming signing. His an average player who can do a job in 2-3 positions that's about it.
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Those type of players can become as important to a title winning team as the best players. SAF had a lot of them in his best squads.
 
Stretch said:
Not all the players we sign have to be first 11 quality. He's certainly a better squad option than we have at the moment and covers several positions. Keep in mind were probably going to flog a lot of squad players so he would make sense
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Do Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea ect...have these type of players? No they sign players for specific positions and who excel at them not players who can "do a job"
 
Shark said:
Those type of players can become as important to a title winning team as the best players. SAF had a lot of them in his best squads.
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Yes true, but times have changed I don't see any top clubs who have these utility players anymore.
 
I would rather see the reserves cover for any injuries to the midfield/wing back positions. Blind just doesn't bring enough to the squad in my eyes.

But again i think this transfer rumor is just typical journalism, just the odd tweet! here and there doesn't add up to much.
 
I think he would be signed to go in midfield. I believe he was the Eredivisie player of the year last season, playing defensive midfield. While he can cover leftback, I think his true position would be in midfield.

That midfield position is to hold, be tactically sound and cover the left sided wing back. While it would be great to have Vidals energy across the pitch, Blind would cover the basics of that role fine.
 
NMF said:
Do Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea ect...have these type of players? No they sign players for specific positions and who excel at them not players who can "do a job"
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Ramires, Boateng, Muller, Adriano, Koke, Grosskreutz. They all can place more than 3 positions.
 
We've been crying out for options in midfield for years. Fletcher & Carrick are getting on & nobody is sure about Cleverley yet. The fact he can do a job in other positions is a bonus.
Unless they're pretty unknown (Bebe, Chicharito, Buttner) we don't buy anyone for less than £15million anyway.
 
JPRouve said:
Ramires, Boateng, Muller, Adriano, Koke, Grosskreutz. They all can place more than 3 positions.
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Ramirez is a poor player he'll be a bench player next season. Which Boateng? Also Muller and Koke are capable of playing at a high level in all their positions. Blind for me just doesn't offer a great deal to be paying 20M for him.
 
NMF said:
Ramirez is a poor player he'll be a bench player next season. Which Boateng? Also Muller and Koke are capable of playing at a high level in all their positions. Blind for me just doesn't offer a great deal to be paying 20M for him.
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Big clubs like this kind of players because they give you flexibility, 20m is too much and Blind seems limited. So maybe he isn't the right candidate.

But Ramires is good enough to be useful and I'm talking about Jerome Boateng (LB, RB, CB).
 
The naysayers to Blidn are perfectly entitled to their opinions, and I know this is cynical, but I think if he was from the German, Spanish or Italian leagues who'd played for the top teams, people might be different.
 
Shark said:
Times have changed since SAF won us our 20th league title? that was quick.
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Geez we finished 7th last season and it all wasn't down to Moyes being completely inept our squad just isn't that good. Sir Alex papered over the cracks. Mata, RVP, Rooney and De Gea are our only top quality players.
 
JPRouve said:
Big clubs like this kind of players because they give you flexibility, 20m is too much and Blind seems limited. So maybe he isn't the right candidate.

But Ramires is good enough to be useful and I'm talking about Jerome Boateng (LB, RB, CB).
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That's what I'm saying. Muller can play in every attacking position but wherever he plays he guarantees end product.

I've never been a fan of Ramirez personally. From what I've heard Bayern and Germany fans hate him in those positions and his also very unlikely to ever play them for a while because Bayern now have Lamn, Rafinha and Alaba and Bernat as fullbacks.
 
NMF said:
Blind would a very underwhelming signing. His an average player who can do a job in 2-3 positions that's about it.
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In terms of profile, he might be underwhelming. Fernandinho to City seemed underwhelming, and for me he was the unsung hero for them. Fernandinho cost £29m from memory. Blind might cost half of that.
 
NMF said:
Geez we finished 7th last season and it all wasn't down to Moyes being completely inept our squad just isn't that good. Sir Alex papered over the cracks.
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SAF did paper over cracks, but most of what happened last season was Moyes' fault. He completely sucked every drain of confidence and ability out of the squad within only a few months in office. Pre-season is nothing much to go by, but to completely discount the massive improvement in performance and results against top opposition since LVG laid down his rules would be wrong. The confidence is clearly flowing again.
 
NMF said:
That's what I'm saying. Muller can play in every attacking position but wherever he plays he guarantees end product.

I've never been a fan of Ramirez personally. From what I've heard Bayern and Germany fans hate him in those positions and his also very unlikely to ever play them for a while because Bayern now have Lamn, Rafinha and Alaba and Bernat as fullbacks.
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He has been purchased to provide depth at fullback while being a CB. Bayern coaches like the fact that if a catastroph happens he can be useful as a fb.
The fact that he probably won't be used there is irrelevant. That's what you want utility players.
 
JPRouve said:
He has been purchased to provide depth at fullback while being a CB. Bayern coaches like the fact that if a catastroph happens he can be useful as a fb.
The fact that he probably won't be used there is irrelevant. That's what you want utility players.
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But you wouldn't call Boateng a utility player because he excels in his main position. John O'shea is a utility player.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
In terms of profile, he might be underwhelming. Fernandinho to City seemed underwhelming, and for me he was the unsung hero for them. Fernandinho cost £29m from memory. Blind might cost half of that.
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I personally didn't think Fernandinho was underwhelming I wanted us to sign him.
 
NMF said:
But you wouldn't call Boateng a utility player because he excels in his main position. John O'shea is a utility player.
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Well i'm a rugbyman, so my definition is maybe slightly different but in rugby for instance a utility back is a player who is able to play more than one position at roughly the same level, if he is an excellent fullback and a good or very good center or Winger then he is a Utility back. An excellent player can be an utility player.
 
Slow and soft in midfield is an issue we have had for some time, Blind as a #6 behind two proper box to box CM's might work, but in this 3-4-3 system the one to bring the ball out and play that #6 role is largely the central CB, in our case likely to be Evans. I can't see the point of Blind right now other than as a LCB, certainly not as a CM.
 
NMF said:
Do Madrid, Bayern, Chelsea ect...have these type of players? No they sign players for specific positions and who excel at them not players who can "do a job"
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Yes all big clubs have squad players. You can't have everyone happy if all of them are stars. City have squad players. Chelsea have squad players. It's not abnormal. Relax.
 
This would be a good signing.
Why do some people expect us to fix everything in one transfer window? It's going to take time.
 
Devil may care said:
Slow and soft in midfield is an issue we have had for some time, Blind as a #6 behind two proper box to box CM's might work, but in this 3-4-3 system the one to bring the ball out and play that #6 role is largely the central CB, in our case likely to be Evans. I can't see the point of Blind right now other than as a LCB, certainly not as a CM.
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Great, he can cover centre back and wing back initially and when we move to 433 he'll be a good number 6.
 
Stretch said:
Yes all big clubs have squad players. You can't have everyone happy if all of them are stars. City have squad players. Chelsea have squad players. It's not abnormal. Relax.
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I'm talking about utility players. Every team has squad players but they cover a specific position. EG the season Bayern won the treble they had a back up for almost every player.
 
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